Curious developments in case against Roethlisberger

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Curious developments in case against Roethlisberger
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2010 9:40 AM ET
Maybe it's a coincidence, but it's strange how the case of alleged sexual assault against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has begun to publicly unravel in the three days since Commissioner Roger Goodell addressed the situation for the first time in brief but ominous fashion.

"The most important thing is we take the issue seriously," Goodell said. "We are concerned that Ben continues to put himself in this position."

On Tuesday, word came that the request for a DNA sample had been withdrawn. Though not technically relevant to these circumstances given the absence of any issue regarding mistaken identity, the development caused many to conclude that the case would soon crumble.

On Wednesday, KDKA-TV reported that the alleged victim has failed to meet with authorities for a second interview, and that she hasn't spoken to police since the evening of the alleged incident. The fact that she promptly retained counsel after the incident means that she's either acting on advice of those lawyers -- or she's ignoring their recommendations. Either way, no criminal case can proceed without a cooperative victim.

Now, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reports that the alleged victim had a blood alcohol concentration in excess of 0.20 percent, a very high number suggesting significant intoxication. Still, the information comes not from police, but from the lawyer representing the nightclub where the alleged incident occurred. Carl Cansino claims that the authorities shared this information with him.

So if they shared it with him, why didn't they share it with the Tribune-Review? (In this regard, keep in mind that the Tribune-Review also reported a couple of weeks ago that Roethlisberger would be providing a DNA sample and submitting to another interview, neither of which have happened. Then again, the Tribune-Review never has reported that Terry Bradshaw has died. I felt compelled to add that because several commenters surely would have.)

And here's where it gets weird. (Or, as the case may be, weirder.) Cansino explains that the security videos from the evening of the incident weren't available, because the system used at the club "recorded over the footage."

"The DVD system overwrote itself," Cansino told the Tribune-Review. "Had it just been deleted, they might have been able to save some of it."

Setting aside for now the fact that we don't understand how in the hell more of the footage would have been available it all of it had been deleted, the fact that the tapes would not have been preserved in relation to an event that came to light before the evening ended is very troubling to us.

I've encountered multiple situations like this, in my technically mothballed legal career. Many businesses have security cameras, and most have a system where, eventually, the old footage automatically is replaced with new footage. Otherwise, each place of business eventually would need an NFL Films-style vault to house what amounts to, in most cases, recordings of primarily if not exclusively innocuous activity within the premises.

One of the frustrations often encountered in these cases is that nightclubs and retailers are in position to preserve the footage that advances their interests, such as video of employee misconduct, because they know to pull the images before the system covers them up with new footage. For incidents that could create liability for the business, the footage usually is long gone by the time a lawsuit is threatened or filed, since the business had no reason to save it, especially if it might be harmful to the interests of the business.

There's a huge difference in this case. The folks who run the Capital City nightclub in Milledgeville, Georgia knew immediately that an incident had occurred. Thus, the footage should have been flagged and saved, with or without a request or a subpoena.

So, yes, something stinks about this specific development. Even though there reportedly was not a camera in the vicinity of the place where the alleged incident occurred ("a staff restroom near a dingy storage corridor," the epitome of high class), other cameras could have captured images that would have provided circumstantial evidence of innocence or guilt, based on the alleged victim's demeanor before and after the incident.

If, in the end, a lawsuit is filed by the alleged victim (assuming, of course, that her failure to cooperate hasn't resulted from a confidential settlement that already has been reached), look for Capital City to face a litany of claims for failure to provide a safe and secure environment -- and look for the alleged victim's lawyer to hammer the nightclub for failing to preserve video evidence that might have been incredibly useful to the overall pursuit of the truth.
 

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Sounds like Ben and that Nightclub are working together to discredit that girl.
 

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zrinkill;3319696 said:
Sounds like Ben and that Nightclub are working together to discredit that girl.

sure does sound like some money has passed under the table doesnt it;
 

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I don't know if Roethlisberger did it or not if he did then he needs to be punished by the law and of course the NFL. However I also know that players do get accused for things they did not do ask Irvin.

One thing for sure it is another case where players need to be careful where they are hanging out and who they are hanging out with. Trouble is pretty easy to find and avoiding it can be just as easy
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3319715 said:
I hope he gets prison for the rest of his natural life.

I hate the Steelers.

You would want him to go to prison because you hate the steelers. :confused: :laugh2:
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3319733 said:

Just find it cold to wish that on any player because you don't like the team he plays for.

If Ben did it then he deserves to go down hard not just by league rules but by the rule of law.

If he is just another player who is being accused so that this person can sqeeze money out of him then I hope he beats this.
 

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Doomsday101;3319735 said:
Just find it cold to wish that on any player because you don't like the team he plays for.

Well, at least I don't wish death on him like I do Eli Manning or Donovan McNabb.
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3319764 said:
Well, at least I don't wish death on him like I do Eli Manning or Donovan McNabb.

What a good person you are. :laugh2:
 

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cowboyjoe;3319691 said:
Curious developments in case against Roethlisberger
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2010 9:40 AM ET
Maybe it's a coincidence, but it's strange how the case of alleged sexual assault against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has begun to publicly unravel in the three days since Commissioner Roger Goodell addressed the situation for the first time in brief but ominous fashion.

"In my experience there is no such thing as luck" -Obi-Wan Kenobi
 

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Yeagermeister;3319779 said:
Like I have been saying nothing is going to happen to him. :bang2:

Yup ..... the cover up has begun.

The NFL needs to take over our National Security.

;)
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3319715 said:
I hope he gets prison for the rest of his natural life.

I hate the Steelers.

AMEN!! ...and YES...I ALSO want him to go to prison because I hate the steelers. Send Hines Ward with him. That should wipe the smile off his face!
 

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I don't think he did it.

He even went so far as to claim he did not even have sex with the girl. Why would he do that very early on if he knew that was someting that could be easily proven. Add that to the fact that the girl was quick to accuse but did not have samples taken and has not spoken to anyone since the intial accusation makes it even more questionable.

If anything stinks, it;'s the accusation itself and the fact that someone is allowed to do that without proof.

Steeler or no Steeler, I don't want to see an innocent man go to jail or have to pay millions. This could just as easily have been Tony at a bar partying and then (possibly) being falsely accused. It's worse for Ben b/c he's moronic enough to put himself in this situation after already having been accused int he past. Doofus.
 

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I highly doubt they would've let the girl walk away if she was underage and had a BAC of 0.20.

Assuming they tested her after, she would likely fall into this category for the interview process:

0.21–0.29

Behavior:

Stupor
Loss of Understanding
Impaired Sensations

Impairment:

Severe Motor Impairment
Loss of Consciousness
Memory Blackout
 

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wonder how much it cost to have those tapes get "recorded over":rolleyes:

sounds like he did it imo
 

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Rampage;3320452 said:
wonder how much it cost to have those tapes get "recorded over":rolleyes:

sounds like he did it imo

It's unfortunately circumstantial evidence, which wouldn't hold up in a criminal trial.

But if I were a prosecutor I'd still have it in my case as a talking point if I couldn't present it as an exhibit. You mean to tell me you had something go down in your establishment, and you don't immediately make sure the tapes are saved in order to preserve the rapport you've got with a professional athlete?

He did it. If he didn't do it, I'd be hand-delivering the tapes to the police myself to prove he didn't do it - you want that kind of business in your club, you'll get rich if a pro athlete frequents your establishment regularly with the VIP treatment.
 

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Word is he was getting a hummer and possibly got aggressive and pushed her away. I have met him he is a complete tool.
 
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