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After reading most of the rob ryan threads i have a question. Along with many others on this board i am excited about the aggressive attitude ryan is going to bring this defense, i think its what this unit needs more than anything. BUT, is this current group of players capable of adopting that attitude? I dont know if an aggressive attitude is something that can be coached, you either have it or you dont. Are the steelers, ravens, jets etc. coaching an aggressive attitude or are they drafting or acquiring these types of players? I cant picture one of our current defensive players giving an interview like bart scott the other night. I mean we are talking about a unit that quit on their coach this year, whats to make us think they wouldnt do the same to ryan if they dont buy into his philosophy. Honestly i think the way business is done is going to change from now on under garrett and players who underachieve will be sent packing or benched but who knows.

Any thoughts on this current defensive group adopting an "aggressive" attitude?
 
CarlJohnson;3811279 said:
After reading most of the rob ryan threads i have a question. Along with many others on this board i am excited about the aggressive attitude ryan is going to bring this defense, i think its what this unit needs more than anything. BUT, is this current group of players capable of adopting that attitude? I dont know if an aggressive attitude is something that can be coached, you either have it or you dont. Are the steelers, ravens, jets etc. coaching an aggressive attitude or are they drafting or acquiring these types of players? I cant picture one of our current defensive players giving an interview like bart scott the other night. I mean we are talking about a unit that quit on their coach this year, whats to make us think they wouldnt do the same to ryan if they dont buy into his philosophy. Honestly i think the way business is done is going to change from now on under garrett and players who underachieve will be sent packing or benched but who knows.

Any thoughts on this current defensive group adopting an "aggressive" attitude?

We have not "Bart Scott's" or "Ray Lewis" type players. I'm sure some will say they come off as thugs, but no one can deny their passion for the game. Irvin had that as well. We have no one on defense that has that.

About the only one on the team that may have it is Bryant. Hopefully that changes.
 
DBOY3141;3811285 said:
We have not "Bart Scott's" or "Ray Lewis" type players. I'm sure some will say they come off as thugs, but no one can deny their passion for the game. Irvin had that as well. We have no one on defense that has that.

About the only one on the team that may have it is Bryant. Hopefully that changes.

Although i just have observations i feel that ratliff is that type of player too. Whenever the team is losing he has a VERY angry and anguished look on his face and i remember hearing him say with much emotion that he is sick and tired of losing. Also wade mentioned once that at halftime ratliff came up and said it was his fault they were running on them and he was going to change that in the second half. When wade reassured him that he was doing alright he got very upset and yelled no im not im going to do better.
 
I'm not worried about the current defensive roster. They will buy in. We already will have significant change anyway with both safeties, Brooking and probably Newman gone. The draft will yield 1-3 new defensive starters probably so the coaching staff should have an easy time getting the players to buy in. The only defensive player that is good enough to question a new coach is Ware and he would not do that. No issues with a new scheme and getting buy in.
 
Bwareinrings94;3811295 said:
I'm not worried about the current defensive roster. They will buy in. We already will have significant change anyway with both safeties, Brooking and probably Newman gone. The draft will yield 1-3 new defensive starters probably so the coaching staff should have an easy time getting the players to buy in. The only defensive player that is good enough to question a new coach is Ware and he would not do that. No issues with a new scheme and getting buy in.

No way we get 3 defensive starters out of the draft. I'm willing to bet that only 1 player that gets drafted will start in 2011.
 
DBOY3141;3811285 said:
We have not "Bart Scott's" or "Ray Lewis" type players. I'm sure some will say they come off as thugs, but no one can deny their passion for the game. Irvin had that as well. We have no one on defense that has that.

About the only one on the team that may have it is Bryant. Hopefully that changes.
Maybe if Brady James kills a guy and his friends cover it up they will seem tougher. :rolleyes:
 
dfense;3811337 said:
Maybe if Brady James kills a guy and his friends cover it up they will seem tougher. :rolleyes:

Maybe if Dez snorts coke and chases hookers like Irvin, he will be just as good.

NFL players like any workplace are a reflection of society. No one can argue that Ray Lewis is not a great football player and a leader in that locker room.

James not so much. When we had "thugs" we won championships. When we have choir boys, we finish 6-10. Which do you want??
 
DBOY3141;3811354 said:
Maybe if Dez snorts coke and chases hookers like Irvin, he will be just as good.

NFL players like any workplace are a reflection of society. No one can argue that Ray Lewis is not a great football player and a leader in that locker room.

James not so much. When we had "thugs" we won championships. When we have choir boys, we finish 6-10. Which do you want??

You don't need to be thug to win.
 
DBOY3141;3811354 said:
Maybe if Dez snorts coke and chases hookers like Irvin, he will be just as good.

NFL players like any workplace are a reflection of society. No one can argue that Ray Lewis is not a great football player and a leader in that locker room.

James not so much. When we had "thugs" we won championships. When we have choir boys, we finish 6-10. Which do you want??


this is right up there with clutch gene and needing coaches who are percieved to be good.

:(
 
DBOY3141;3811362 said:
No you don't. But it doesn't hurt.

Being a thug does not make a player good or bad. Clearly having a guy missing 4 to 8 weeks of the season if not more due to continual problems helps no one on the team.
 
CarlJohnson;3811279 said:
After reading most of the rob ryan threads i have a question. Along with many others on this board i am excited about the aggressive attitude ryan is going to bring this defense, i think its what this unit needs more than anything. BUT, is this current group of players capable of adopting that attitude? I dont know if an aggressive attitude is something that can be coached, you either have it or you dont. Are the steelers, ravens, jets etc. coaching an aggressive attitude or are they drafting or acquiring these types of players? I cant picture one of our current defensive players giving an interview like bart scott the other night. I mean we are talking about a unit that quit on their coach this year, whats to make us think they wouldnt do the same to ryan if they dont buy into his philosophy. Honestly i think the way business is done is going to change from now on under garrett and players who underachieve will be sent packing or benched but who knows.

Any thoughts on this current defensive group adopting an "aggressive" attitude?

It depends on if the coaches can sell it or not. If they can and the players buy into Ryans aggressive attitude, anything is possible.

But it has to happen in practice.

If players buy into what the coaches are teaching, you could go 21-2 in a league built/drafted for parity. :D
 
Smart players that play with passion, and a little nastiness. Those are the types of players I enjoy watching. Never been interested in that "thug" mentality.
 
dfense;3811337 said:
Maybe if Brady James kills a guy and his friends cover it up they will seem tougher. :rolleyes:
Ray Lewis is tougher than Brady James...murderer or not.
 
Future;3811413 said:
Ray Lewis is tougher than Brady James...murderer or not.


Based on what? Bradie plays every snap of nearly every game has every game since 05.

what on earth isnt tough about Bradie James and how is he not as tough as ray lewis?

People go crazy when a team loses.
 
theebs;3811465 said:
Based on what? Bradie plays every snap of nearly every game has every game since 05.

what on earth isnt tough about Bradie James and how is he not as tough as ray lewis?

People go crazy when a team loses.
I would have said the same thing in 07. Nobody on this defense is tough except maybe Ratliff. They all disappear consistently...Ray Lew wouldn't allow that.
 
Future;3811502 said:
I would have said the same thing in 07. Nobody on this defense is tough except maybe Ratliff. They all disappear consistently...Ray Lew wouldn't allow that.


that makes no sense.
 
theebs;3811465 said:
Based on what? Bradie plays every snap of nearly every game has every game since 05.

what on earth isnt tough about Bradie James and how is he not as tough as ray lewis?

People go crazy when a team loses.

Quick spurts of emotion are usually off taget when applied by a response oriented fan. Just as with an athlete. There are quite a few motives that can cause a person to be driven to succeed.

It deals with the drive and not the motives behind them. The motives behind them, usually lead a direction as well. So motives for drive are important as well.

Aggression in football is involved with a sport. An athlete is able to differentiate between blatant anger and goal directed itensities.

That is, unless he is corrupted by a criminally based ethics in his drive.

There are periods of times when a NFL level athlete has been corrupted by convenience of personal release and large cash flows empowered opportunity for drama and 'pleasures' frowned upon by a general and much more strongly sacrificing public.

That doesn't mean that criminal intent is what causes the difference.

That comes with how a person learns to deal with confrontation and intense activity. The cruxt is in knowledge of how to deal with supportive action, mind set, and skill sets.

That personal reference set, is not dependent upon a positive or negative motive for stimulus, but in knowledge of application of itensity, commitment, and physical applications.

This, again, isn't dependent upon a negative motive, but only on acquiring the skillset to respond as intense and similarly in application on the field. Now, taking that to include drugs, prostitution, and cruelty exhibited by beatings and murder on itensifies the rush to REMOVE that individual from the professional sports venue. It becomes self defeating and quickly escalates, unless the individual identifies the problem...and CHANGES.

Ray Lewis, and yea, Michael Irvin walked through the heartaches and redirected their respective careers. They, although, gained a strength from learning how to deal with those circumstances and focus more intensely on their athletic aspirations.

If one has paid attention, both Ray Lewis and Michael Irvin have since preached focus in intensity and team play. Not crime and getting over socially. There is a difference. But positive motives can lead there as well. As to on the field success.

It's dedication that turns the corner for achievement.
 
The thing is I don't think Rob and Jason will tolerate players not buying in. Rob doesn't seem like a guy that will try and "sell" his philosophy to the players, he'll make the players sell their ability to play football to him, and I like that.
 
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