D Law is playing better hardball

[Hawkeye19]

D Law is controlling the game by refusing to get his surgery. He has essentially cut off Dallas’ trade options bc no team wants to pay top dollar for a hurt player.

It’s frustrating to watch this play out— but I grudgingly have to tip my cap to him. It’s pretty clear he either gets paid or he sits out 2019 ala Leveon Bell.

Dallas can’t pay him what he is asking and have cap space for their other players. Those wishing for a trade are not in reality. You can’t trade him unless he signs the franchise tag... which he won’t do.

He will sit out a year and sign where he wants in 2020. Either we overpay or we get nothing for him.

It’s stupid bc he won’t come close to getting 23 mil in 2020 after sitting out a year— but the well has been poisoned in Dallas so he will go sign for less somewhere else and blame the FO and hate Dallas for the rest of his career lol

 

[revospeed]

It works both ways. It could backfire on him. If the Cowboys wanted to and they decide he’s not worth $20 million, they could relinquish their franchise tag and use that money they would pay him on a couple players. Then he’d be left looking for a $20 million market with several months of rehab in front of him while trying to adjust to a new team and new system. Not exactly appealing if teams have to break the bank for a guy who might only play a few games this season.

 

[buybuydandavis]

D Law is controlling the game by refusing to get his surgery. He has essentially cut off Dallas’ trade options bc no team wants to pay top dollar for a hurt player.

It’s frustrating to watch this play out— but I grudgingly have to tip my cap to him. It’s pretty clear he either gets paid or he sits out 2019 ala Leveon Bell.

Dallas can’t pay him what he is asking and have cap space for their other players. Those wishing for a trade are not in reality. You can’t trade him unless he signs the franchise tag... which he won’t do.

He will sit out a year and sign where he wants in 2020. Either we overpay or we get nothing for him.

It’s stupid bc he won’t come close to getting 23 mil in 2020 after sitting out a year— but the well has been poisoned in Dallas so he will go sign for less somewhere else and blame the FO and hate Dallas for the rest of his career lol

I don't think anyone is really worried about the operation. The issue is how it would impact his availability for *this season*, and that impacts the value of the franchise rights the Cowboys have in him.

By not signing, Dallas can't unilaterally trade him away on the franchise tag. But both sides can try to find a deal and bring it to the other.

By not getting the operation sooner rather than later, he threatens the value of a franchise year to the Cowboys.

He won't sit out. Worst case scenario for him is that he gets paid the full amount of the tag while not playing the entire season for the Cowboys. Does Jerry really want to pay full price for 8-12 games?

A little googling

It is believed that it takes at least four to six weeks for the labrum to reattach itself to the rim of the bone, and probably another four to six weeks to get strong. Once the labrum has healed to the rim of the bone, it should see stress very gradually so that it can gather strength.
Shoulder Labrum Tear | Johns Hopkins Medicine Health Library​

8-12 weeks. And he's not going to be in a hurry. He's got til July 15th to sign. He signs. Schedules surgery. Probably isn't that intent on rushing back for Jerry.

It's not just that DLaw is playing better hardball, he has the better hand to play. The existence of an untreated football injury with significant surgery recovery time changes the dynamic of the tag. If you just sit out, you lose money. But if you're recovering from surgery for an injury, you sit out and still collect your check.

 

[Hawkeye19]

It works both ways. It could backfire on him. If the Cowboys wanted to and they decide he’s not worth $20 million, they could relinquish their franchise tag and use that money they would pay him on a couple players. Then he’d be left looking for a $20 million market with several months of rehab in front of him while trying to adjust to a new team and new system. Not exactly appealing if teams have to break the bank for a guy who might only play a few games this season.

Sure... Dallas could try and add some players, but just outright releasing him means we get nothing for him.

I think he is more than willing to take that chance. The only way Dallas can hurt him is by dragging this all the way into July and releasing him at the last minute. That may limit his opportunities in 2019– but it will also limit Dallas’ options to find a guy in FA or the draft to replace him.

 

[buybuydandavis]

It works both ways. It could backfire on him. If the Cowboys wanted to and they decide he’s not worth $20 million, they could relinquish their franchise tag and use that money they would pay him on a couple players. Then he’d be left looking for a $20 million market with several months of rehab in front of him while trying to adjust to a new team and new system. Not exactly appealing if teams have to break the bank for a guy who might only play a few games this season.

If the Cowboys relinquish the tag, Lawrence is immediately a free agent and can find the highest bidder. Probably goes under the knife the next day.

He's sacrificed some weeks of his career, but gets a new contract as a completely free agent. Sounds like a win for Lawrence. Big loss for the Cowboys. No Lawrence. No pick in compensation.

Both sides end up with more if they get a trade done sooner rather than later so that Lawrence misses as little time as possible, and potentially no time at all.

 

[Hawkeye19]

I don't think anyone is really worried about the operation. The issue is how it would impact his availability for *this season*, and that impacts the value of the franchise rights the Cowboys have in him.

By not signing, Dallas can't unilaterally trade him away on the franchise tag. But both sides can try to find a deal and bring it to the other.

By not getting the operation sooner rather than later, he threatens the value of a franchise year to the Cowboys.

He won't sit out. Worst case scenario for him is that he gets paid the full amount of the tag while not playing the entire season for the Cowboys. Does Jerry really want to pay full price for 8-12 games?

A little googling

It is believed that it takes at least four to six weeks for the labrum to reattach itself to the rim of the bone, and probably another four to six weeks to get strong. Once the labrum has healed to the rim of the bone, it should see stress very gradually so that it can gather strength.
Shoulder Labrum Tear | Johns Hopkins Medicine Health Library​

8-12 weeks. And he's not going to be in a hurry. He's got til July 15th to sign. He signs. Schedules surgery. Probably isn't that intent on rushing back for Jerry.

It's not just that DLaw is playing better hardball, he has the better hand to play. The existence of an untreated football injury with significant surgery recovery time changes the dynamic of the tag. If you just sit out, you lose money. But if you're recovering from surgery for an injury, you sit out and still collect your check.

For sure. He has the better hand to play here. The leverage is 100% in his court.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Sure... Dallas could try and add some players, but just outright releasing him means we get nothing for him.

I think he is more than willing to take that chance. The only way Dallas can hurt him is by dragging this all the way into July and releasing him at the last minute. That may limit his opportunities in 2019– but it will also limit Dallas’ options to find a guy in FA or the draft to replace him.

And, the Cowboys get *nothing* that way. That's a lose-lose. They're both better off making a trade happen before then.

 

[TwentyOne]

I don't think anyone is really worried about the operation. The issue is how it would impact his availability for *this season*, and that impacts the value of the franchise rights the Cowboys have in him.

By not signing, Dallas can't unilaterally trade him away on the franchise tag. But both sides can try to find a deal and bring it to the other.

By not getting the operation sooner rather than later, he threatens the value of a franchise year to the Cowboys.

He won't sit out. Worst case scenario for him is that he gets paid the full amount of the tag while not playing the entire season for the Cowboys. Does Jerry really want to pay full price for 8-12 games?

A little googling

It is believed that it takes at least four to six weeks for the labrum to reattach itself to the rim of the bone, and probably another four to six weeks to get strong. Once the labrum has healed to the rim of the bone, it should see stress very gradually so that it can gather strength.
Shoulder Labrum Tear | Johns Hopkins Medicine Health Library​

8-12 weeks. And he's not going to be in a hurry. He's got til July 15th to sign. He signs. Schedules surgery. Probably isn't that intent on rushing back for Jerry.

It's not just that DLaw is playing better hardball, he has the better hand to play. The existence of an untreated football injury with significant surgery recovery time changes the dynamic of the tag. If you just sit out, you lose money. But if you're recovering from surgery for an injury, you sit out and still collect your check.

3 months until you even stress is again. That doesnt mean hit weights.

A torn labrum is a very serious injury. Half year minimum before he can start lifting weights again.

But seriously i dont believe he has a torn labrum. If he had he couldnt even lift his arm. He may have something like a SLAP 1 or 2. Something not really serious and can be treated conventional also.

 

[revospeed]

Sure... Dallas could try and add some players, but just outright releasing him means we get nothing for him.

I think he is more than willing to take that chance. The only way Dallas can hurt him is by dragging this all the way into July and releasing him at the last minute. That may limit his opportunities in 2019– but it will also limit Dallas’ options to find a guy in FA or the draft to replace him.

No one is going to trade for him with a bum shoulder and pay him $20 million. By relinquishing the franchise tag, you get that money you’d be paying him an allocate those assets elsewhere.

I’d rather do that than pay a guy $20 million and him hardly play this year.

 

[bcavi]

Even though I like Demarcus, Dallas could very well rescind the tag. I would not sell the farm for him. We lose him. So what? We gotta do what we gotta do... The Boys should not sign him to a guaranteed deal that he does not deserve. Watching DL I noticed his play, he'd make plays here and there, but watching him to make a play at some "much needed times" he was not consistent. Great plays he made, of course. The tackle of the RB at the goalie comes to mind. As some or many have said, he does not take over many games. He is great on the run, but if he is requesting astronomical all-world funds, let him go. We'll manage as men usually do. Next.

 

[Idgit]

He’s not signing until Clark and Clowney do. Nothing Dallas could realistically do is going to change that.

 

[DHCBF66]

D Law is controlling the game by refusing to get his surgery. He has essentially cut off Dallas’ trade options bc no team wants to pay top dollar for a hurt player.

It’s frustrating to watch this play out— but I grudgingly have to tip my cap to him. It’s pretty clear he either gets paid or he sits out 2019 ala Leveon Bell.

Dallas can’t pay him what he is asking and have cap space for their other players. Those wishing for a trade are not in reality. You can’t trade him unless he signs the franchise tag... which he won’t do.

He will sit out a year and sign where he wants in 2020. Either we overpay or we get nothing for him.

It’s stupid bc he won’t come close to getting 23 mil in 2020 after sitting out a year— but the well has been poisoned in Dallas so he will go sign for less somewhere else and blame the FO and hate Dallas for the rest of his career lol

Not really, Bell lost a lot of $$$ by skipping a year, made no sense, his new contract did not recoup the millions he lost.

 

[Little Jr]

Very rare a player has control and this isn't any different, he doesn't have control . He won't sit out the season and miss 20m. Bell showed that isn't smart and he's not going to get that money back.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Yep, I agree that Lawrence really isn't helping himself. For the Cowboys the worst case is he signs the tag and half ***** it. Thing is, that isn't getting him paid enough money next year to make up for it. And if he puts up mediocre numbers, it doesn't help his cause.

So both sides have reason to get a deal done.

I think the idea that it is tied to the Clark and Clowney deals is true. None of them want to be the first one to sign and possibly leave money on the table if a new market gets set.

 

[TheSkaven]

D Law is controlling the game by refusing to get his surgery. He has essentially cut off Dallas’ trade options bc no team wants to pay top dollar for a hurt player.

That’s not the reason he’s doing it. He’s not getting the surgery because, if no deal is done, he’s going to sign his franchise offer the week before the season starts then immediately elect to get his surgery done. That would effectively force the Cowboys to put him on IR and he’d get paid to sit out the season and be a free agent next year.

It’s a brilliant business move but frankly I find it distasteful from a team perspective. If the Cowboys cannot come to a deal with him soon, they’re going to have to trade him or rescind the tag. Paying him $20 million to go on IR and not play would be terrible on so many levels.

 

[waldoputty]

lawrence agent can do this:
stephen, we will sign the tag on april 8 if you do not release the tag.
btw, we think his shoulder is better so no surgery for now.
if there is a problem later, we will worry about it then.
if stephen calls his bluff, then surgery in the middle of camp, and he can be paid $20 million for only playing december and playoffs.
if stephen realize it is a losing proposition, agree to trade him before he signs the tag so he can get his better deal and cowboys get a first round pick.

 

[kiheikiwi]

Cowboys played the game and are losing. They can posture to the media all they want.
Supposedly he had the injury the last part of 2017. I'm sure the front office knew it, so they franchised him and said "Prove it". Betting on him having a subpar year due to the injury - he didn't. His price went up, and all the bluster about signing their own, bla bla bla, went out the door.

Now think about it, I would bet Lawrence and his agent knew exactly what the FO was trying to do, and he told them last year he would not play under the tag for a second year.
They did it anyway.
He has a right to be pissed, and hold their feet to the fire. And they low balled him to boot !
June is actually a more realistic date for this to get done. So he can have the surgery and be ready for the start of the season.
If it's not done by then it's a lose lose for both sides.

 

[TheSkaven]

Sure... Dallas could try and add some players, but just outright releasing him means we get nothing for him.

They’d get a third round compensary pick in the 2020 draft. That’s not nothing but it’s also well below his market value.

If I’m the Cowboys’ GM, I do everything possible to get DLaw signed to a deal by June. I probably wave him around as trade bait on Day 1 of draft day as well.

If a deal doesn’t get done by June, you try to trade him. If you can’t trade him, you relinquish the tag. He’d have to get the surgery and he’d go into the season as damaged goods, as well as with a reputation of using his injury as leverage in negotiations - not good.

This whole situation stinks all around. Normally the two sides would sit down and get a deal done. But because Tank’s agent thinks he has leverage with the injury situation, he’s playing hardball and going for a bigger number. That’s a real shame because it’s in no one’s best interest.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

He’s not signing until Clark and Clowney do. Nothing Dallas could realistically do is going to change that.

Could be like Harper waiting on the guy who signed with the Padres, so his agent knew how much to ask the Phillies for. Only 2 or 3 weeks later to have the Angels guy blow that deal out of the water.

 

[waldoputty]

That’s not the reason he’s doing it. He’s not getting the surgery because, if no deal is done, he’s going to sign his franchise offer the week before the season starts then immediately elect to get his surgery done. That would effectively force the Cowboys to put him on IR and he’d get paid to sit out the season and be a free agent next year.

It’s a brilliant business move but frankly I find it distasteful from a team perspective. If the Cowboys cannot come to a deal with him soon, they’re going to have to trade him or rescind the tag. Paying him $20 million to go on IR and not play would be terrible on so many levels.

we are pretty much thinking the same thing.
gregory and the shoulder injury have cowboys behind 8 ball...