Dak - a balanced thread

[QuincyCarterEra]

He was a completely different player back then.

No question

In the Tuck Rule game they should have only scored 10 points.

Brady in the 2001 playoffs(3 games) had 1 TD and 1 INT
In the AFFC and SB he had 115 yards and 145 yards after taking out sacks. That's awful.

 

[Nav22]

Let's stop the fan boy nonsense. This is the Dallas Cowboys. Some of you are just too young to know what that used to mean.

QB is the premier position in all of sports. The Dallas Cowboys are supposed to be the premier franchise in football. The fact that the Cowboys would now look for a new franchise QB and settle on a stiff like Dak Prescott should sicken anyone with an ounce of credibility as a fan. All I read over and over is what he can't do and how that's okay we can work around that. What the hell kind of plan is that for the Dallas Cowboys in search of their franchise QB? That's Cincinnati Bengals thinking. I don't want a guy who can't do things. I don't want to settle at the position. That shouldn't be plan A. I want a real talent who allows you to get by at other positions not other positions allowing them to get by at his own. I don't want a college offense. I want a real QB who can play real pro football.

We are already saddled with the worst Owner and GM in sports, a complete fraud at Director of Personnel and a weak Head Coach. The thought of being okay with adding a mediocre at best QB to that mix is baffling to me.

Why? Just cause Go Cowboys! and stuff?

You are supporting a QB who can't throw the football.

I repeat - You are supporting a QB who can't throw the football.

If for whatever reason Dak Prescott is on your roster and your starter goes down, then you look to get by and tailor a gimmick offense around him and his lack of any talent. Then it makes sense to read the things I read about him every day. Well, they just mean until our starter gets back. But to watch him play for three years and think this is the guy you want under center for the next 10 years as the future of our offense is an opinion I just can't take seriously.

A QB who can't throw the football.

The Dallas bleepin Cowboys.

Thank God Tom Landry isn't around to see this.

How does a guy with “no talent” finish 6th in passer rating since we traded for Amari Cooper? That doesn’t even take his rushing TDs into account.

How does a guy with “no talent” go 32-16 as a starter over 3 years without a ton of help?

You don’t know football, child. It’s that simple.

“DURRR HE CAN’T THROW DA BALL!! ONLY 66% COMPLETIONS, 65 TD, 27 INT AND A 96 CAREER PASSER RATING!! DURRR DAT’S TERRIBLE!”

Your buddy Wentz, on the other hand, has 2 losing seasons in 3 years.

Wentz is such a LOSER, in fact, that he went 5-6 (0-2 vs Dak) before his backup came in to clean up his mess, reach the playoffs and even win a playoff game.

THEN a report came out with quotes from anonymous teammates who said Wentz isn’t a good leader and that he’s selfish. LOL!

Egg ALL OVER your face.

 

[Texasfootball21]

Without Zeke there would be no Dak and this thread wouldn't have been started.

 

[BillyBates]

Being an old fert Boys fan I seen the good,bad and the ugly. I see Dak at times playing like a 1st rounder, other games just like a 4th. to be perfectly fair to him.his first year he had a O line that was lights out. FF to this last season T.Smith a shadow of what was, Collins is a flat out Joke. Frederick out. this isn't a friendly line to any QB. Witten out the blue after the draft retires to become a boring TV commenter.
Not to mention our red headed clapping idiot HC and his twin a brain dead OC.
Give the kid a break. apex QB? nah, Middle of the pack? IMO no he is better than that, he also has the potential to become more.. we have a good man here. there is 52 other parts of the puzzle that makes the hole picture..

 

[blumayne38]

I've watched the agendas on here saying Dak sucks so bad he should have never been drafted. Then others say he is the best in stats or whatever.

As a fan I'd love him to be the absolute best but he isn't. But he is far from the worst. What he is, is a QB that hasn't figured it all out yet and may not ever do so or he may become a SB QB

The reality is that none of us really know. What we know is that as fans we want and need him to get better every year to get to where we all want to get. Nobody will win the discussion now because the future has yet to be written. Let's cross our fingers that he develops and takes us to the promise land while we treat each other with respect.

Bottom line is he has failed twice at passing the divisional round, everything else is just hog wash. Two opportunities to get past the divisional round have been squandered, he may make it back he may never. As a TEAM/ROSTER keep getting better if it means replacing players or replacing the QB I’m fine with it.

 

[Kaiser]

Drew Brees only became an elite player when he teamed up with Sean Payton. We can only wish that can happen next year.
Tony Romo basically had to become his own offensive coordinator to flourish.
Aaron Rodgers is an elite talent that Dak will never, ever be close to. Not a fair comparison.

Dak's abilities, such as they are, will only be maximized with better coaching. Keep him with Jason Garrett and this is basically what you will get. Jon Kitna may help a bit, but he's not turned Dak into Patrick Mahomes anytime soon.

My point on Brees, Romo and Rodgers is that you can't close the book on a QB after three years. Brees had poor stats at that point and Romo had barely seen the field.

And coaching is a factor with Dak but IMO the bigger factor is the OL. Dak has upper tier when he has time to throw but when his protection breaks down (which is did often this year) he can't go through his reads and his mechanics are inconsistent in those situations. Fix the OL and you fix most of the problem.

Coaching is some of it, no doubt. Even Amari Cooper called it out publicly, Linehan was so predictable that teams would teams would sell out against the run and sit on certain pass routes, so Dak was forced into his second and third reads every time. That's fine when you have time to throw, but not if there is a DL breaking past Sua-Filo after two seconds.

 

[Kaiser]

Bottom line is he has failed twice at passing the divisional round, everything else is just hog wash.

Dak gave up 170 rushing yards to the Rams in the first half of that game?

 

[nightrain]

This is the best assessment I can give regarding Dak's 2018 campaign. The Cowboys QB was a significant contributor toward playing in the Divisional Round of the Playoffs.The Cowboys were knocked out of the playoffs for reasons other than their QB play.

 

[nobody]

How does a guy with “no talent” finish 6th in passer rating since we traded for Amari Cooper? That doesn’t even take his rushing TDs into account.

How does a guy with “no talent” go 32-16 as a starter over 3 years without a ton of help?

You don’t know football, child. It’s that simple.

“DURRR HE CAN’T THROW DA BALL!! ONLY 66% COMPLETIONS, 65 TD, 27 INT AND A 96 CAREER PASSER RATING!! DURRR DAT’S TERRIBLE!”

Your buddy Wentz, on the other hand, has 2 losing seasons in 3 years.

Wentz is such a LOSER, in fact, that he went 5-6 (0-2 vs Dak) before his backup came in to clean up his mess, reach the playoffs and even win a playoff game.

THEN a report came out with quotes from anonymous teammates who said Wentz isn’t a good leader and that he’s selfish. LOL!

Egg ALL OVER your face.

I'd rather have Dak than Wentz. What surprised me was that Wentz owned up to it to an extend and said he'd work on it.

Who knows what really happened other than one teammate went and back-stabbed via media without the courtesy of even owning up to it while another admitted wrong-doing and said he'd work on it.
Whoever "anonymous" is, he should have brought it up in the team environment to hash it out...not go crying to the media. One way promotes dialogue and makes a team closer, the other foments locker room cancer because of cowardice.
Anonymous might have been right, but he certainly handled it wrong.

Fortunately we don't have to worry about that cause Dak is a team player.

 

[blumayne38]

Dak gave up 170 rushing yards to the Rams in the first half of that game?

Here we go with the excuses, he LOST the team LOST. Did he do anything the entire game? Besides the throw to cooper that was all cooper he sucked

 

[blumayne38]

I'd rather have Dak than Wentz. What surprised me was that Wentz owned up to it to an extend and said he'd work on it.

Who knows what really happened other than one teammate went and back-stabbed via media without the courtesy of even owning up to it while another admitted wrong-doing and said he'd work on it.
Whoever "anonymous" is, he should have brought it up in the team environment to hash it out...not go crying to the media. One way promotes dialogue and makes a team closer, the other foments locker room cancer because of cowardice.
Anonymous might have been right, but he certainly handled it wrong.

Fortunately we don't have to worry about that cause Dak is a team player.

Nah duh you’re in a cowboys forum

 

[G2]

Bottom line is he has failed twice at passing the divisional round, everything else is just hog wash. Two opportunities to get past the divisional round have been squandered, he may make it back he may never. As a TEAM/ROSTER keep getting better if it means replacing players or replacing the QB I’m fine with it.

He played very well in both games. Watch again.

 

[DenCWBY]

Lol, meanwhile, he's never beaten Jason Garrett in an after practice accuracy contest and he just got beat by a girl before the Super Bowl.

His accuracy is good about half the time. That's not good.

Ouch!!

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

Accuracy is good
Footwork can be taught
Pocket presence can be taught
He already reads the defense well, highlighted by his historically low INT #'s
Too many sacks is the exact same as pocket presence lmao, but good try double dipping

Mike White doesnt have more arm strength lol, talk about not know the players and hoping it sticks.

Huh? White has a cannon. You're criticizing someone for not knowing the player?

Haha.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Here we go with the excuses, he LOST the team LOST. Did he do anything the entire game? Besides the throw to cooper that was all cooper he sucked

1 for 10 on third down


But these imbeciles will overlook that because hes their man crush.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I've watched the agendas on here saying Dak sucks so bad he should have never been drafted. Then others say he is the best in stats or whatever.

As a fan I'd love him to be the absolute best but he isn't. But he is far from the worst. What he is, is a QB that hasn't figured it all out yet and may not ever do so or he may become a SB QB

The reality is that none of us really know. What we know is that as fans we want and need him to get better every year to get to where we all want to get. Nobody will win the discussion now because the future has yet to be written. Let's cross our fingers that he develops and takes us to the promise land while we treat each other with respect.

There will never be a balanced Prescott or Garrett thread because the Prescott and Garrett haters have to get their daily fix of hatred in and do so in several comments each saying the same things they say every day, day after day after day after day after day. Because of these two hate groups I wouldn't be surprised if the mods and/or admin decide to at least temporarily ban Prescott or Garrett threads like they did when they banned politics because of all the bickering.
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[G2]

1 for 10 on third down


But these imbeciles will overlook that because hes their man crush.

He scored 2 TDs, is he supposed to play on defense too? Get a clue.

 

[blumayne38]

He played very well in both games. Watch again.

Lol sure he did, he almost gift wrapped the game for the rams on a dropped int that in every way shape or form should have been picked off and taken for 6. I’m sure you blotted that from you’re memory

 

[blumayne38]

He scored 2 TDs, is he supposed to play on defense too? Get a clue.

he missed more plays then he made get over it

 

[Direwolf63]

My point on Brees, Romo and Rodgers is that you can't close the book on a QB after three years. Brees had poor stats at that point and Romo had barely seen the field.

And coaching is a factor with Dak but IMO the bigger factor is the OL. Dak has upper tier when he has time to throw but when his protection breaks down (which is did often this year) he can't go through his reads and his mechanics are inconsistent in those situations. Fix the OL and you fix most of the problem.

Coaching is some of it, no doubt. Even Amari Cooper called it out publicly, Linehan was so predictable that teams would teams would sell out against the run and sit on certain pass routes, so Dak was forced into his second and third reads every time. That's fine when you have time to throw, but not if there is a DL breaking past Sua-Filo after two seconds.

I'm not closing the book on Dak at all. He can get better. But steps need to be taken for him to get better. He needs improved coaching and a modernized offensive scheme that simplifys his progressions. He is being held back by poor coaching, IMO. Especially the HC and his fossilized schemes.

Better OL will help. But even when he had clean pockets this year he was still holding the ball too long. He either doesn't trust what he is seeing or he doesn't see it at all. Not sure which. He needs to be more decisive and pull the trigger sooner. I think he can only play in a 1 or 2 read offense. After that, his mechanics fall apart.

He's not Nathan Peterman as some around here claim. But he's not Aaron Rodgers either. And never will be.