Dak - a balanced thread

FLCowboyFan said:
I've watched the agendas on here saying Dak sucks so bad he should have never been drafted. Then others say he is the best in stats or whatever.

As a fan I'd love him to be the absolute best but he isn't. But he is far from the worst. What he is, is a QB that hasn't figured it all out yet and may not ever do so or he may become a SB QB

The reality is that none of us really know. What we know is that as fans we want and need him to get better every year to get to where we all want to get. Nobody will win the discussion now because the future has yet to be written. Let's cross our fingers that he develops and takes us to the promise land while we treat each other with respect.
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he has the intangibles, like leadership, heart, drive. but in skills he is lagging. I think the early start and success he was part of has actually hurt his development as expectations were high and the focus became other things and he didn't work on the fundamentals and little things to get him over the hump. His footwork after three years is down right awful. his throwing motion is very inconsistent, both of which leads to inaccuracies. Hopefully Kitna can help him develop some good habits..That should improve his trust in himself to make some of the throws he refused to make in the past few years...and perhaps throw with a little more anticipation....he is not necessarily good at hitting recievers in motion/stride and thus many of the routes for him were set up to be recievers that are stopped, open, etc...He has trouble feeling pressure in the pocket and that's innate and not sure how he will improve. He has to read defenses better and that comes from film study with the right person to start to see things before the snap. I think resetting the clock going back to the beginning and start working on fundamentals can really help him. He may never be a brady, brees, Rodgers or rivers. but given the right players around him, right game plan he can lead a team to wins.
 
Hardline said:
Dak is what he is.
Thats not going to stop me from finding his replacement. Especially if I'm in position to draft a Qb if this team craps the bed this season.
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I know what will likely stop you.

Good Qb’s aren’t easy to find. Very good ones harder and so on.
 
Hardline said:
Dak is what he is.
Thats not going to stop me from finding his replacement. Especially if I'm in position to draft a Qb if this team craps the bed this season.
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Only thing that will stop you from finding his replacement is the simple fact you don't work for the Cowboys and have no say in who they pickup or draft. lol
 
Risen Star said:
Let's stop the fan boy nonsense. This is the Dallas Cowboys. Some of you are just too young to know what that used to mean.

QB is the premier position in all of sports. The Dallas Cowboys are supposed to be the premier franchise in football. The fact that the Cowboys would now look for a new franchise QB and settle on a stiff like Dak Prescott should sicken anyone with an ounce of credibility as a fan. All I read over and over is what he can't do and how that's okay we can work around that. What the hell kind of plan is that for the Dallas Cowboys in search of their franchise QB? That's Cincinnati Bengals thinking. I don't want a guy who can't do things. I don't want to settle at the position. That shouldn't be plan A. I want a real talent who allows you to get by at other positions not other positions allowing them to get by at his own. I don't want a college offense. I want a real QB who can play real pro football.

We are already saddled with the worst Owner and GM in sports, a complete fraud at Director of Personnel and a weak Head Coach. The thought of being okay with adding a mediocre at best QB to that mix is baffling to me.

Why? Just cause Go Cowboys! and stuff?

You are supporting a QB who can't throw the football.

I repeat - You are supporting a QB who can't throw the football.

If for whatever reason Dak Prescott is on your roster and your starter goes down, then you look to get by and tailor a gimmick offense around him and his lack of any talent. Then it makes sense to read the things I read about him every day. Well, they just mean until our starter gets back. But to watch him play for three years and think this is the guy you want under center for the next 10 years as the future of our offense is an opinion I just can't take seriously.

A QB who can't throw the football.

The Dallas bleepin Cowboys.

Thank God Tom Landry isn't around to see this.
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Careful grandpa, u might bust a spoke in your rocker if u get too excited....:muttley:
 
Risen Star said:
Let's stop the fan boy nonsense. This is the Dallas Cowboys. Some of you are just too young to know what that used to mean.

QB is the premier position in all of sports. The Dallas Cowboys are supposed to be the premier franchise in football. The fact that the Cowboys would now look for a new franchise QB and settle on a stiff like Dak Prescott should sicken anyone with an ounce of credibility as a fan. All I read over and over is what he can't do and how that's okay we can work around that. What the hell kind of plan is that for the Dallas Cowboys in search of their franchise QB? That's Cincinnati Bengals thinking. I don't want a guy who can't do things. I don't want to settle at the position. That shouldn't be plan A. I want a real talent who allows you to get by at other positions not other positions allowing them to get by at his own. I don't want a college offense. I want a real QB who can play real pro football.

We are already saddled with the worst Owner and GM in sports, a complete fraud at Director of Personnel and a weak Head Coach. The thought of being okay with adding a mediocre at best QB to that mix is baffling to me.

Why? Just cause Go Cowboys! and stuff?

You are supporting a QB who can't throw the football.

I repeat - You are supporting a QB who can't throw the football.

If for whatever reason Dak Prescott is on your roster and your starter goes down, then you look to get by and tailor a gimmick offense around him and his lack of any talent. Then it makes sense to read the things I read about him every day. Well, they just mean until our starter gets back. But to watch him play for three years and think this is the guy you want under center for the next 10 years as the future of our offense is an opinion I just can't take seriously.

A QB who can't throw the football.

The Dallas bleepin Cowboys.

Thank God Tom Landry isn't around to see this.
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Stop glossing things over and tell us how you really feel about Dak.
 
Jimbo69 said:
I really hope we are not having this debate every year of dak's tenure at the Cowboys. I fear we will.
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No, he will continue to improve and his critics will distance themselves. At least thats what his talent and work ethic tell me.
 
He's a guy with a very limited skillset who has a very low ceiling, but has a strong work ethic and character. He can win in this league, but he need someone to help him improve. I don't think Kellen Moore was that guy.
 
Hardline said:
Dak is what he is.
Thats not going to stop me from finding his replacement. Especially if I'm in position to draft a Qb if this team craps the bed this season.
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I think hes still figuring out what he is. Its pretty early in his career to think hes reached his ceiling. BUT I dont care what position we are talking about, Im always looking to add more talent. Nothing wrong with competition.
 
I have no idea why people give into Risen Star's need for attention.

He's a troll that constantly throws out bait just to feel important. If you ignore him he might just go away.
 
CyberB0b said:
He's a guy with a very limited skillset who has a very low ceiling, but has a strong work ethic and character. He can win in this league, but he need someone to help him improve. I don't think Kellen Moore was that guy.
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Is a top 10 starting QB really a "very low" ceiling?

He has the size
He has the arm
He has the health
He has the intangibles

I'm not sure what would limit his ceiling
 
Risen Star said:
Let's stop the fan boy nonsense. This is the Dallas Cowboys. Some of you are just too young to know what that used to mean.

QB is the premier position in all of sports. The Dallas Cowboys are supposed to be the premier franchise in football. The fact that the Cowboys would now look for a new franchise QB and settle on a stiff like Dak Prescott should sicken anyone with an ounce of credibility as a fan....
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The Dallas Cowboys are about winning, not an individual position. The fact is since Dak took the lead this of this team we have seen 32 wins (.67 winning %), won the division twice, and have won a playoff game.

I'll agree he's not an elite passer, but few are in the NFL. The smug innuendo they're easy to find is prevalent among those who want to indiscriminately move on from Dak, but lacks to forethought of what happens with a swing-and-miss on his replacement. You either sell out multiple drafts or get hamstrung to another QB like Cousins in free agency. At least with Dak you know that you can win, because he has proved it.
 
America's Cowboy said:
How old are you to be bringing Landry up? 40s? 50s? 60s? Either way, since we are talking about Dak, no other Cowboys QB has started his first 3 years as good as Dak has. That's a fact. That's not good enough for you? Dak's numbers are better than Goff's and Wince's, yet you would rather take them over Dak? But you want to give advice about nonsense? SMH
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That is only b/c Romo started his career on the bench. Romo's first 3 years as a starter surpass Dak's.............I think Romo is a good analogy b/c he is a perfect example of how much stats mean in the absence of playoff success. By stats, Romo is the greatest QB the Cowboys have ever fielded. But few consider him on par with Aikman and Staubach.

Dak is going to have to do better than wild card weekend to get the respect you crave for him. ............and , FYI, nobody who watched Staubach or Aikamam or even Romo play think he is that good. Your stats are resting mostly on the laurels of his rookie season which he has not been able to reproduce.
 
Dak is an average QB at best so far in his career. He has trouble processing defenses and knowing where his receivers will be open based on defensive alignment. He does have some running ability and has way more faith in his ability to run for a TD than throw it....which is part of his problem. QB's have to take chances at some point, it can not all be safe easy throws. Hopefully Kitna with Moore's help will get his confidence up to let it rip when needed. We have a good OL, good enough for most QB's with an average arm and we have a great RB both of which should make Dak's life much easier. Even if you believe Linehans plays sucked Dak was still missing wide open receivers and often failed to put the ball in the ideal spot away from defenders where only the receiver can make a play. He does have room to grow, i don't see him ever cracking the top 12 in QB's though as he is extremely limited by his arm talent.
 
QuincyCarterEra said:
Is a top 10 starting QB really a "very low" ceiling?

He has the size
He has the arm
He has the health
He has the intangibles

I'm not sure what would limit his ceiling
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his accuracy
his poor footwork
his lack of pocket presence
his lack of ability to read defense
taking too many unnecessary sacks

if what you outlined above was the only qualifiers, then Mike White is close, he is bigger, has bigger arm and is in good health, so 3/4 of the way there.
 
Denim Chicken said:
The Dallas Cowboys are about winning, not an individual position. The fact is since Dak took the lead this of this team we have seen 32 wins (.67 winning %), won the division twice, and have won a playoff game.

I'll agree he's not an elite passer, but few are in the NFL. The smug innuendo they're easy to find is prevalent among those who want to indiscriminately move on from Dak, but lacks to forethought of what happens with a swing-and-miss on his replacement. You either sell out multiple drafts or get hamstrung to another QB like Cousins in free agency. At least with Dak you know that you can win, because he has proved it.
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or you could say

The Dallas Cowboys are about winning, not an individual position. The fact is since Zeke took the lead this of this team we have seen 32 wins (.67 winning %), won the division twice, and have won a playoff game.

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