Dak is so much better when they let him be a football player

[America's Cowboy]

I'm completely over the whole "he needs to be a better dropback passer" thing. To hell with that. He's never going to be Mahomes or Rodgers but he's certainly good enough to get it done. Sprinkle in a little running and maybe my favorite talent of his, the ability to throw on the run with pinpoint accuracy, and you have a good QB who morphs into a great football player. Hopefully Big Mac and Schottie saw the light last night. I know they don't want to get him hurt but they just HAVE keep "Dak be a football player" in the playbook going forward. I mean don't be stupid and don't be taking on linebackers head on but DBs? Hell yeah run their lil arses over. And occasionally turn on the jets and just run away from them .. I'm looking at you Derwin James.

Agreed, except how the league owners and NFL league office convened during the offseason and refused to make the 'hip drop' tackle a clearly illegal and dangerous tackle. That's my only concern about Dak running with the football. His size and strength forces those same little arse DBs to intentionally use that 'hip drop' illegal tackle to bring Dak down because they refuse to man up and try to hit and wrap him up above his waist.

 

[Rockport]

It’s never going to happen with Dak. Just isn’t.

It already has.

 

[OmerV]

Yeah, that pole vaulting and snowboarding he was doing on the field were getting old ...

 

[diamonddelts]

I know.. can't hold a candle to all the Super Bowl wins that Burrow, Herbert, Lawrence, Goff and all the other golden boy "arm talent" guys have won right?

Well played sir.

 

[Zman5]

I'm completely over the whole "he needs to be a better dropback passer" thing. To hell with that. He's never going to be Mahomes or Rodgers but he's certainly good enough to get it done. Sprinkle in a little running and maybe my favorite talent of his, the ability to throw on the run with pinpoint accuracy, and you have a good QB who morphs into a great football player.

Are you trying to copy what I've been saying about Dak for past 7 years?

This is the reason I always thought we can win with Dak. He needs to keep doing this. Especially when our OL isn't playing well, and we don't have a run game.

 

[RonnieT24]

I am sure the view point will change on those guys after 7 years.

I like dak, but i will take a 6'5 "arm talent, pocket passer" over anything else. I think it has the best chance to be successful

So let's review the last 10 Super Bowl winners..

2022 - Mahomes 6'2" Not tall enough and pocket passer? That's would be a bit of a stretch.
2021 - Stafford - 6'3" insane arm talent, not quite tall enough though.
2020 - Brady 6'4" - Almost tall enough.. but amazing arm talent? Not even close. His weapon was his mind.
2019 - Mahomes - See above
2018 - Brady - See Above
2017 - Foles - 6'6" finally a guy who meets the height requirement.. Arm talent? B-minus at best? Pocket passer? All their success in that run was a result of massive use of RPO.
2016 - Brady
2015 - Manning 6'5" Pocket passer but had zero arm talent left by the point.. Like Brady.. he used his mind (and his defense) to beat you.
2014 - Brady
2013 - Wilson 5'11" nuff said.

So two of the last 10 Super Bowl winners fit your "best chance to be successful" mold. And in neither case would either of them be accused of having great arm talent.

 

[Nexx]

So let's review the last 10 Super Bowl winners..

2022 - Mahomes 6'2" Not tall enough and pocket passer? That's would be a bit of a stretch.
2021 - Stafford - 6'3" insane arm talent, not quite tall enough though.
2020 - Brady 6'4" - Almost tall enough.. but amazing arm talent? Not even close. His weapon was his mind.
2019 - Mahomes - See above
2018 - Brady - See Above
2017 - Foles - 6'6" finally a guy who meets the height requirement.. Arm talent? B-minus at best? Pocket passer? All their success in that run was a result of massive use of RPO.
2016 - Brady
2015 - Manning 6'5" Pocket passer but had zero arm talent left by the point.. Like Brady.. he used his mind (and his defense) to beat you.
2014 - Brady
2013 - Wilson 5'11" nuff said.

So two of the last 10 Super Bowl winners fit your "best chance to be successful" mold. And in neither case would either of them be accused of having great arm talent.

the pattern you are showing is that most of these guys have the "mind" to play QB. meaning being able to process is a huge part of being a successful QB. unfortunately, that isn't one of Dak's strengths. so he has to have the ability to run when needed. he needs play calls to get WR's more open. he need more play calls to get him out of the pocket more often.

 

[Blackrain]

I've been preaching for Dak to use his legs
Ever since he stopped I'm not saying he has to be Michael Vick but he will never be Peyton Manning so I would settle for Steve McNair.

Pick your spots run out of bounds slide safely you're an 8-year veteran use your head and don't put yourself at undue risk.
Inaccurate throws receivers dropping the ball and settling for field goals is no way to get to an NFC championship game use your legs in the red zone and make it happen like you did last night

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Play to his strengths which at this time is rolling out or moving the pocket. As for jets he doesn’t have any he just plods along. I think they are trying to protect him from himself what do they have behind him.

This is what I've been wanting us to do with Dak. Let him use his legs. He's more effective when we do that.

 

[dsturgeon]

So let's review the last 10 Super Bowl winners..

2022 - Mahomes 6'2" Not tall enough and pocket passer? That's would be a bit of a stretch.
2021 - Stafford - 6'3" insane arm talent, not quite tall enough though.
2020 - Brady 6'4" - Almost tall enough.. but amazing arm talent? Not even close. His weapon was his mind.
2019 - Mahomes - See above
2018 - Brady - See Above
2017 - Foles - 6'6" finally a guy who meets the height requirement.. Arm talent? B-minus at best? Pocket passer? All their success in that run was a result of massive use of RPO.
2016 - Brady
2015 - Manning 6'5" Pocket passer but had zero arm talent left by the point.. Like Brady.. he used his mind (and his defense) to beat you.
2014 - Brady
2013 - Wilson 5'11" nuff said.

So two of the last 10 Super Bowl winners fit your "best chance to be successful" mold. And in neither case would either of them be accused of having great arm talent.

I wouldnt look at the winners or anomalies for this, I would look at the success of all qb's and qualities of the teams around them, and the divisions they are in

Go find me another 5'11 qb that will win a superbowl

I have read your posts before, so i know you get the concept and have some bias. Lawrence and Herbert at 6'6 can play and move different than most qbs, and they are young. They might never win a superbowl, but if you wouldnt trade dak right now for either of those, you are not thinking straight. That is not a slight to dak

They are golden boys for a reason

 

[RonnieT24]

the pattern you are showing is that most of these guys have the "mind" to play QB. meaning being able to process is a huge part of being a successful QB. unfortunately, that isn't one of Dak's strengths. so he has to have the ability to run when needed. he needs play calls to get WR's more open. he need more play calls to get him out of the pocket more often.

I think Dak gets into trouble when he does too much thinking. He is plenty smart enough but there are DCs who do a good job of confusing him. But great DCs can confuse anybody. I mean did people not see what Quinn did to Brady last January? It's the chess match that gets played between QB, OC and DC every game. There have been games where Dak has been absolutely brilliant deciphering the defense and has picked it to shreds. Then there have been games where he has looked like he was not sure of what he was seeing. It happens.. What has to happen when it does is the OC has to help him. They have to give him more motion to force the defense to show its hand sooner so Dak can make the proper adjustment. Moore seemed to hate doing that.. and McCarthy has not done it enough IMHO. But maybe they can get it worked out. It's year one transitioning to a new offense. Some growing pains are to be expected. Make no mistake about it.. some DCs are going to be smarter than Dak.. just like some have been smarter than every QB that has ever played the game on a given day. We need the OC to help our QB out in those instances.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

Just another passive aggressive "Dak is great thread" "See guys, he did great against a mediocre team, everything is erased now."

He is not a good pocket passer. He doesn't see the field well, he played good last night but the chargers weren't exactly pressing the receivers and they are ranked 25th in the league in passing yards allowed.

Dak running isn't the answer, see San Fran game #1, 2 years ago.

When defenses lock Dak down and he has to go to read 2 and 3, he sucks. He isn't good at adapting.

Even at his best game all year last night, all he could manage is 20 points.


Just like the losses bring out the haters, the wins bring at the Dak homers.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

Define arm talent? Is that the speed someone can throw? How far they can throw? I've seen Brady throw 60 yard bombs. He can sling it incredibly hard when he wants. He absolutely has "arm talent". It's just his mental prowess is that much greater + his insane drive to win.

 

[Whyjerry]

I'm completely over the whole "he needs to be a better dropback passer" thing. To hell with that. He's never going to be Mahomes or Rodgers but he's certainly good enough to get it done. Sprinkle in a little running and maybe my favorite talent of his, the ability to throw on the run with pinpoint accuracy, and you have a good QB who morphs into a great football player. Hopefully Big Mac and Schottie saw the light last night. I know they don't want to get him hurt but they just HAVE keep "Dak be a football player" in the playbook going forward. I mean don't be stupid and don't be taking on linebackers head on but DBs? Hell yeah run their lil arses over. And occasionally turn on the jets and just run away from them .. I'm looking at you Derwin James.

Dak played well last night. He needed to.

 

[john van brocklin]

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's "not a pocket passer." He's good enough at it. It's just not what he's best at. He's not drop back, rock and fire guy. It's not the thing that makes him special. And that's okay.. When he uses the thing that makes him special he absolutely IS special. The Cowboys need to figure out how to bring that out in him every game.

I agree he's strength is not in the pocket.
Holds the ball forever and takes a lot of sacks.

 

[acr731]

I knew this would happen if Dallas somehow managed to beat the Bolts last night.... The Dak propping continues.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

The OC incorporated the run which help relieve’s some pressure.

 

[Praxit]

I'm completely over the whole "he needs to be a better dropback passer" thing. To hell with that. He's never going to be Mahomes or Rodgers but he's certainly good enough to get it done. Sprinkle in a little running and maybe my favorite talent of his, the ability to throw on the run with pinpoint accuracy, and you have a good QB who morphs into a great football player. Hopefully Big Mac and Schottie saw the light last night. I know they don't want to get him hurt but they just HAVE keep "Dak be a football player" in the playbook going forward. I mean don't be stupid and don't be taking on linebackers head on but DBs? Hell yeah run their lil arses over. And occasionally turn on the jets and just run away from them .. I'm looking at you Derwin James.

..Dak become a football player again. Once he realized the OL wasnt getting it done.

Took matters in his own hands. Which is probably blessing in disguise.

Now, I can see him doing this rest of season. .

 

[b0xZZ]

Define “good enough to get it done” , if that’s winning a superbowl then no he will never sniff a championship that is clear as day and if you can’t see that you are in denial.