Dak: Mediocrity, McClay Cap

[FanofJerry]

On what studies do you lean that thesis on ?
Please post some works on that.


I dont believe in that narrative. Finding a QB for us(DC) is hard just because we dont invest into finding one.

I would suggest you post some studies on that to prove your thesis.
If you dont have them then maybe you did your own work on it. Please share it with us to prove your point.

BTW: There was a post a week or so ago that showed that 48% of the QBs drafted in the first round have a successfull/good career. That number was the highest compared to other positions.

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On what studies do you lean that thesis on ?
Please post some works on that.


I dont believe in that narrative. Finding a QB for us(DC) is hard just because we dont invest into finding one.

I would suggest you post some studies on that to prove your thesis.
If you dont have them then maybe you did your own work on it. Please share it with us to prove your point.

BTW: There was a post a week or so ago that showed that 48% of the QBs drafted in the first round have a successfull/good career. That number was the highest compared to other positions.

Since 2001...only 12 QB's have won a Super Bowl. Out of 1,088 attempts since 2001...only 12 could get it done.

Only a bonehead would think to look at a rookie contract for QB, assuming you value the QB position as important to winning. But...wouldnt surprise me if the the goal posts get shifted to reinforce an opinion.

With Dak...its Rings....with San Fran its WC/SB appearances....yawn

 

[acr731]

Dak has been disrespected by the Jones boys in every way while they treated and paid Romo like he was Peyton Manning without the post season results.

LOL.... Romo's last contract was paying him 18m a year, less than half of Dak's current contract. And Dak now wants to be paid over 60m a year, while he and Romo are very similar stat and accomplishment wise. Explain how you think Dak is being sooooooooooo disrespected.

 

[FanofJerry]

You have to look at Dak, and every player, like a business deal. That CAP forces this. The game GMs have to play is squeezing in the most talent for the least money. The question is, how much is whatever talent Dak has worth? It has to be a finite amount. Every dollar you give Dak is a dollar you take from somewhere else. There is no one answer. There are 53 moving parts. But every contract potential impacts every other contract.

Dak is a good QB but he has not been able to elevate his game in big moments. That doesn't mean they can't win with Dak, it just means they need to balance the talent levels elsewhere to compensate. This isn't just a problem in Dallas. It is a problem for every team. So the question for Dallas is, can they build a Super Bowl team by paying 4 or 5 players top $ then filling the rest of the team with JAGs? The Cowboys are faced with paying Dak, CeeDee, Micah, Diggs, and eventually Bland and Ferguson. Then they have Tyler Smith to pay in a couple of years. I am sure they want to keep these players but paying Dak and Micah and CeeDee might make that impossible.

I am not excusable the Cowboys miserable performance with these contracts. This is not new news. They knew this was coming and should have addressed it long ago. Yes, they should sign Dak, but not for $60 million. Yes, they should sign CeeDee but not for $35 million. The problem now is, the Cowboys are faced with getting nothing in return if they let their players walk. Comp picks, even 3rd round picks, are not compensation for losing Dak and CeeDee.

About the contract mismanagement...there is a swell of posts around here about how Jerry is this or that for waiting until the last moment to sign players because the price goes up every day...

I dont know how many players like CeeDee or Dak would sign early....why? Sure...you get a secured purse...but I think most players of their caliber are waiting as long as possible to sign because of the prices continuing to rise. I dont see how a GM can get blamed for this.

If I am Dak or CeeDee...Im not signing an extension a year early. So...how is that Jerry's fault if its the players holding out?

 

[Creeper]

About the contract mismanagement...there is a swell of posts around here about how Jerry is this or that for waiting until the last moment to sign players because the price goes up every day...

I dont know how many players like CeeDee or Dak would sign early....why? Sure...you get a secured purse...but I think most players of their caliber are waiting as long as possible to sign because of the prices continuing to rise. I dont see how a GM can get blamed for this.

If I am Dak or CeeDee...Im not signing an extension a year early. So...how is that Jerry's fault if its the players holding out?

This is true, Jerry cannot force players to negotiate or sign, but I do think his strategy is to wait things out. I also think he made a mistake with Dak by giving him the no trade clause and agreeing not to use the franchise tag.

Did Jerry approach CeeDee at the end of last season to get an idea of what it would take to sign him? Would Jerry have been wrong to press Lamb's agent for a number just to get an idea of how it would fit into the Cowboys CAP scenarios? I find it hard to believe Lamb's agent would deny him a ball park number to work with.

If I was Jerry I would not allow myself to ever be put in a situation where I have no leverage. But that is where is he is now both Dak and CeeDee. Of course he can trade CeeDee, but he won't get value back at this point in the year and he he no chance to find another receiver to replace him.

 

[blueblood70]

The anti-Dak comments that basically suggest mediocrity is not acceptable dont make sense to me.

Numbers wise....you are more likely to get mediocrity for years post Dak.

And...Dak isnt even a bad QB.

What is the boards opinion of McClay and his staffs ability to put a super talented team on the field without Dak and his contract?

San Fran hasnt won a thing.

Dont move goal posts to SB appearances or WC Finals.

I think McClay has shown an eye for talent...I just think the league with QB pay at current percentage makes more sense.

QB is the most important position...and finding one is hard. San Fran cant even win one with a good team and a rook contract. Which...makes me believe status quo is better than trail blazing.

I agree it's not too long if this was a negativity post those guys below would have read it and they would have been on board with taking shots at any part of our team let alone the top five quarterback we have that you're right he's not gonna be easily replaced and they're griping about losing in the playoffs wait till we are really bad you know when we're not making the playoffs or even competing for the division they'll have something really to whine about they can cry then they can fit the actual narrative then what's really going on here and yeah the outs and the playoffs hurt they sting this long drought stings but it could be far worse..

 

[blueblood70]

TL;DR

I think the Cowboys, if they pay Dak, is a pretty sound move.

I think the league pays QB's a lot and its not a Dallas problem only...and I think Dallas as a very good scout in McClay to put rook contracts around Dak.

It seems the FO might be put off by Dak based on last negotiations and expecting it again now(4th Rounder for Lance)...I think the Cowboys know France and Dak want tip top money and are reluctant. If they dont cave and let Dak walk....its all on McClay.

That fourth round most likely would be a late fourth round it might as well be a fifth and it had nothing and no bearing on Prescott everyone knows what Trey Lance is and he's barely gonna unseat rush if he wins a job it's really gonna be by default because he's not even better than Cooper rush right now.... I know people think Jerry Jones and his staff is delusional but our mouthpieces that we have on the field with the real eyes and the real experience and the coaching staff I've already told Jerry there's no way Trey Lance is the future now if he's trying to organically tank yeah if we start Trey Lance in 2025 we will be a top five pick in the draft in 2026 if that's what they're looking for yeah that's great they traded him late 4th rounder so we can get into the top five of the draft and then this fan base could be really happy and giddy we're finally picking high and picking a big name in the draft and maybe even spend more money in the offseason they wanna be winners in the offseason instead of losers in the playoffs..lmao

just because the Jones family have not signed lamb Parsons or Prescott at this point on the fans and media's timetable doesn't mean they don't intend to they all three most likely are gonna be back you know why we know this because look at the next two drafts there is no transcendent or franchise quarterback that's obvious that you should trade up for or go after...

So then what you going to try to bring a breach quarterback here and do what when you eight games so yeah that'd be the plan get rid of Prescott to save money so the fan base will then what be happy and then lose with Trey Lance and Cooper rush or some dude and then we can start over and reboot but that to me means you don't sign lamb or Parsons you trade all of them diggs get rid of Martin get rid of tank this is the reality if you don't sign Prescott there's no reason to sign the rest of them because they're gonna waste those guys careers ask devante Adams and DeAndre Hopkins and those guys who went to other teams that we didn't have the right quarterbacks it didn't work out they're not winning you don't win with elite wide receivers when you don't have a good quarterback to throw to him not on a regular basis...

This is not a fact this is just my feeling this is my gut and that's what's gonna happen it's gonna be either or I think the hold up on lambs contract is I think they're trying to get Prescott done at the same time and they're all talking on how we can all work it out together to where both contracts are fair but they both fit with the current Cowboys state of affairs with the salary cap... In my opinion they're a package deal.. I don't care what GM you are if you don't think you can pick high in the draft and find a good quarterback which the last 95 quarterbacks taken since 2016 only one of them have won a Super Bowl and then you look at who's coming up in the draft that you could possibly pick and none of them look that good that tells me even if they want to move on from Prescott common sense says you probably should find a way to keep them..

 

[Bagman]

LoL what goal posts? How about we even get as far as SF first and then start talking smack. Purdy got more play off wins already.

Interestingly enough, the worse our play off performances get, the more active our homers post each off season.

SF sucks. Haven't won a SB since 1994. Repeat. Haven't WON since 1994. Nobody cares if they've been to 27 straight SBs. There are ZERO rings for that team since 1994. They go and LOSE. Yes, they're better than us but as Cowboys fans we shouldn't aspire to be as good as SF. They NEVER win it all.

 

[rambo2]

Who, Dak? He always looks good in camp. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. But there's a big difference between a practice defense giving you 10 seconds to make your throws versus 2-4 seconds in a real game.

He looks good because he is good.

 

[rambo2]

Have you copy and pasted that same cliche for 9 years now?

Jeez, wake up and smell the coffee already!

I love coffee.

 

[rambo2]

I’m just citing facts. I saw “the catch” game live and it remains the most crushing loss in Cowboys history. You’re not really contesting SF playoff record vs our playoff record the past three decades are you? All I’m doing is using facts not subjective opinions about the reality of our playoff record. Only Washington is worse in the NFC. Sounds like you don’t like to live in reality.

I like having a good team.

 

[Streifenkarl]

SF sucks. Haven't won a SB since 1994. Repeat. Haven't WON since 1994. Nobody cares if they've been to 27 straight SBs. There are ZERO rings for that team since 1994. They go and LOSE. Yes, they're better than us but as Cowboys fans we shouldn't aspire to be as good as SF. They NEVER win it all.

Whatever man. As far as the here and now goes, we'd be happy to be as good as them. When they make a mistake at QB they at least have the guts to correct it.

 

[TwentyOne]

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Since 2001...only 12 QB's have won a Super Bowl. Out of 1,088 attempts since 2001...only 12 could get it done.

and that is a prove for what ?

Only a bonehead would think to look at a rookie contract for QB, assuming you value the QB position as important to winning. But...wouldnt surprise me if the the goal posts get shifted to reinforce an opinion.

With Dak...its Rings....with San Fran its WC/SB appearances....yawn

i dont see any relation to your thesis nor to my question.

 

[Brax]

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Since 2001...only 12 QB's have won a Super Bowl. Out of 1,088 attempts since 2001...only 12 could get it done.

Only a bonehead would think to look at a rookie contract for QB, assuming you value the QB position as important to winning. But...wouldnt surprise me if the the goal posts get shifted to reinforce an opinion.

With Dak...its Rings....with San Fran its WC/SB appearances....yawn

Not a fan of Jerry but you’re more than delusional you have to be trolling because nobody with a brain would believe what you are posting, Stevie is that you you sly dog.

 

[DUO_CORE]

A hypnotist should be brought in and Dak should be hypnotized for the 3rd preseason game and told the game is a divisional round playoff.

 

[Rockport]

He's somehow attempting to equate the Niners playoff sucess to our 2-5 playoff record over the same period

Denial and false equivalence is strong in that one

I see you’re back to normal now. Too bad. I liked the new Shabazz

 

[shabazz]

I see you’re back to normal now. Too bad. I liked the new Shabazz

This shouldn't be a zero sum game.

There will be things that we agree on and some that we don't.

Being positive about every single this is childish and being negative about every single thing is just as bad.

The large majority of us are in the middle and wait for evidence before casting opinions as if it's law.

 

[Rockport]

This shouldn't be a zero sum game.

There will be things that we agree on and some that we don't.

Being positive about every single this is childish and being negative about every single thing is just as bad.

The large majority of us are in the middle and wait for evidence before casting opinions as if it's law.

That’s funny because you’re talking about yourself as you’re negative almost all the time.

 

[Diehardblues]

The anti-Dak comments that basically suggest mediocrity is not acceptable dont make sense to me.

Numbers wise....you are more likely to get mediocrity for years post Dak.

And...Dak isnt even a bad QB.

What is the boards opinion of McClay and his staffs ability to put a super talented team on the field without Dak and his contract?

San Fran hasnt won a thing.

Dont move goal posts to SB appearances or WC Finals.

I think McClay has shown an eye for talent...I just think the league with QB pay at current percentage makes more sense.

QB is the most important position...and finding one is hard. San Fran cant even win one with a good team and a rook contract. Which...makes me believe status quo is better than trail blazing.

While I’d agree with basis of your theme I’m not sure SF is a good example .

First of all they have won something. A NFC Championship. Something we haven’t sniffed in almost 30 years.

They have built a much better overall team. Something we couldn’t do when Prescott was on his Rookie contract.

 

[Vanilla2]

They’re going to have to give Dak an offer he can’t refuse to get him signed. I doubt that happens and I think he’s hitting the free agent market and will sign elsewhere. For a deal the joneses will say they offered. If I was Dak I would want out of Dallas the fanbase, ownership, national media scrutiny are all very good reasons to leave.

 

[FanofJerry]

Not a fan of Jerry but you’re more than delusional you have to be trolling because nobody with a brain would believe what you are posting, Stevie is that you you sly dog.

yawn