Dak on his legacy - I want to win a championship

[SteveTheCowboy]

I generally do not approve of closing discussions. But....

No longer about football. I admit my part in it.

 

[Vtwin]

Man I've NEVER seen people support hypocrisy the way a few here do.... and get mad at me for pointing the hypocrisy out with real life facts!!! LOOOOL!!!

That is CRAZY!!!

You haven't pointed out one single relevant fact.

I agree with you on one thing, though. The hypocrisy is crazy!

 

[Trajan]

As I get older, I could care less what people say, it is all about what they do, actions speak, words are worthless.

If Dak cared one bit about winning, he wouldn't have taken the dummy bros to the woodshed on every contract. The tool is the highest paid player in the league, that yells he doesn't care about winning, it is only about team Dak.

The main issue in not winning are the Jones Bros, but Dak doesn't help.

 

[Swagger]

And that last statement you typed is the sole reason why you can't compare quarterback to quarterback in most situations.

So when people say dumb **** like "Dak will never win a big game like a superbowl because he is a bum".

According to what they're saying, Jim Kelly and Dan are bums and Nick Foles and Trent Dilfer are better than they are because Dilfer and Foles won Superbowls.

You see how that works? This isn't boxing or golf. So for the people who place it all on Dak, im fine with that as LONG as we keep that same "placing it all on the quarterback" energy on every other NFL quarterback without the excuses and goalpost moving for them.

Then that's where the divide happens. Because once I start hearing excuses for other quarterbacks who fizzle in the playoffs, im like NOPE!!! We can't use those excuses under the "it's all on the quarterback" law that was established here.

Quarterbacks are not all in the same situation.

Anyone with a brain would not compare Dak Prescott's performance on a team with its resources pumped into the offense with a very good offensive line for the most part in a division that has had two bad teams for the majority of the last 10 years with a quarterback in a far worse situation by way of an equal comparison!?

It's like comparing two racing drivers in two completely different performing cars.

I massively disagree if people think Dak has never played on good teams. E.g., The 2023 was a Superbowl calibre roster in my opinion. You may disagree fair enough.

In my view the 2016 team completely bottled it due to not being used to actually realising they were a good team for so long and had they beaten the Packers I think the defense would have stepped up in any subsequent playoff games. The fault lay with starting a rookie QB over an All Pro vet as the latter would have calmly led the offense, exposed the worst pass defense in the play offs from the start not from the end of the 2nd quarter and arguably helped produce less penalties from the offense.

 

[GINeric]

Quarterbacks are not all in the same situation.

Anyone with a brain would not compare Dak Prescott's performance on a team with its resources pumped into the offense with a very good offensive line for the most part in a division that has had two bad teams for the majority of the last 10 years with a quarterback in a far worse situation by way of an equal comparison!?

It's like comparing two racing drivers in two completely different performing cars.

I massively disagree if people think Dak has never played on good teams. E.g., The 2023 was a Superbowl calibre roster in my opinion. You may disagree fair enough.

In my view the 2016 team completely bottled it due to not being used to actually realising they were a good team for so long and had they beaten the Packers I think the defense would have stepped up in any subsequent playoff games. The fault lay with starting a rookie QB over an All Pro vet as the latter would have calmly led the offense, exposed the worst pass defense in the play offs from the start not from the end of the 2nd quarter and arguably helped produce less penalties from the offense.

This is a great post. You're actually saying what I've always been saying, but in a different way. The bottom line is, it takes a TEAM and great coaching to win a Superbowl.

Sometimes even great teams dont win a Superbowl. Just ask the Buffalo Bills and many others throughout history.

But again, you're absolutely right, we can't compare quarterback vs quarterback when it comes to wins and losses. There are too many other pieces to this that affect the outcomes of games. Unfortunately our quarterbacks Romo and Dak always get compared to what other quarterbacks have done as if this is boxing or golf.

You spoke on the Dak having great offensive lines and a great running back. I agree with you. But guess who recently had a great offensive line and great running back..... the Indianapolis Colts. Have they even reached the playoffs the last few years?

It takes more than great players sometimes. They call it a team game for a reason. With that said, I like your post.

 

[GINeric]

You haven't pointed out one single relevant fact.

I agree with you on one thing, though. The hypocrisy is crazy!

Well go check out my past posts and you'll see the relevant facts that I've posted.

 

[Swagger]

If people need examples that you can't judge one quarterback on exactly the same level as other quarterbacks in the league then please refer to Geno Smith, Sam Darnold and even Baker Mayfield. Many people initially laughed at them, called them busts and awful quarterbacks....what those people didn't take into account was that they played on horrible teams especially Smith and Darnold whilst Mayfield played on a loser franchise.

However, they all moved on and became Pro Bowlers on respectable teams.

Mayfield
41TDs
16 Interceptions

Smith
30 TDs
11 Interceptions

Darnold
35 TDs
12 Interceptions

Those are classic Dak Prescott type numbers in his best seasons.

Those three quarterbacks all earn circa $30 million a season - half compared with Dak.

The point is three fold

1. You can get Dak's production at half the price.

2. Dak has largely played on good teams (especially on offense) and I think that's what goes above a lot of people's heads due to their negative thoughts towards Jerry.

3. If Dak played for those really bad Jets and Panthers teams he would have stunk up the joint like Darnold and Smith. We saw examples in a few rare games where the Dallas o line was bad and he was absolutely hopeless (the infamous Falcons game when he was sacked on what seemed like 10 occasions by the same player). Guys like Darnold and Smith had that type of o line in pretty much EVERY game on those bad teams. Dak been been VERY fortunate to have had it so good with the Dallas offense and schedule in playing 2 bad teams twice a season for the best part of ten years. As a result he's overrated.

If people don't understand and take on board the above comments then we will just have to all move on with our lives!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Well go check out my past posts and you'll see the relevant facts that I've posted.

You should do the same. Find the real facts of what people post.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

If people need examples that you can't judge one quarterback on exactly the same level as other quarterbacks in the league then please refer to Geno Smith, Sam Darnold and even Baker Mayfield. Many people initially laughed at them, called them busts and awful quarterbacks....what those people didn't take into account was that they played on horrible teams especially Smith and Darnold whilst Mayfield played on a loser franchise.

However, they all moved on and became Pro Bowlers on respectable teams.

Mayfield
41TDs
16 Interceptions

Smith
30 TDs
11 Interceptions

Darnold
35 TDs
12 Interceptions

Those are classic Dak Prescott type numbers in his best seasons.

Those three quarterbacks all earn circa $30 million a season - half compared with Dak.

The point is three fold

1. You can get Dak's production at half the price.

2. Dak has largely played on good teams (especially on offense) and I think that's what goes above a lot of people's heads due to their negative thoughts towards Jerry.

3. If Dak played for those really bad Jets and Panthers teams he would have stunk up the joint like Darnold and Smith. We saw examples in a few rare games where the Dallas o line was bad and he was absolutely hopeless (the infamous Falcons game when he was sacked on what seemed like 10 occasions by the same player). Guys like Darnold and Smith had that type of o line in pretty much EVERY game on those bad teams. Dak been been VERY fortunate to have had it so good with the Dallas offense and schedule in playing 2 bad teams twice a season for the best part of ten years. As a result he's overrated.

If people don't understand and take on board the above comments then we will just have to all move on with our lives!

We were very surprised by Mayfield here in Tampa. The 41 TDs went largely under the national radar. Glad to have him...he plays with few mistakes, his pendulum swing isn't quite as wide as daks...just very level...a good quality in a QB.

Tampa just added Egbuka, They have WR1 3 deep! The way Tampa operates the offense...straight up nightmare. Solid run game to go with it.