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I got a lot more stuff like this that proves this guy is an absolute beast, people. What other proof do you need?
Left stat is the year 2018. Right stat is the year 2016.
The problem with "Dak Stats" are that for the last couple of years, teams have been keying on Zeke and *daring* Linehan, Dak, and the outside WRs to beat them. And for the most part, they failed.
In that context, we expect that most QBs would have had a higher QB rating. We remember the off target balls and missed open WRs.
Could be we're wrong to expect more. Could be that the opportunities weren't as good as we think, and that other QBs wouldn't do better if they had had them.
To be convincing, your argument has to tackle the production *given the opportunities*. And that's just a difficult thing to do.
BBDD, Gallup himself admitted he was to blame for most of those missed open throws to him, because he said he would hesitate or not go full speed during his routes, thinking Dak was not going to throw to him. That threw the timing off, thus why you would see Dak overthrow Gallup.The problem with "Dak Stats" are that for the last couple of years, teams have been keying on Zeke and *daring* Linehan, Dak, and the outside WRs to beat them. And for the most part, they failed.
In that context, we expect that most QBs would have had a higher QB rating. We remember the off target balls and missed open WRs.
Could be we're wrong to expect more. Could be that the opportunities weren't as good as we think, and that other QBs wouldn't do better if they had had them.
To be convincing, your argument has to tackle the production *given the opportunities*. And that's just a difficult thing to do.
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I got a lot more stuff like this that proves this guy is an absolute beast, people. What other proof do you need?
Left stat is the year 2018. Right stat is the year 2016.
Didnt read one word but is my assumption correct that this is a Dak bashing response? Anyone that takes that much effort to write such a long response to a positive post has to be hating. My apologies if I was wrong.Air Less EXpected Yards, a Football Outsiders metric, represents a key part of third-down conversions. When a team is in third-and-medium or third-and-long, it is imperative for the quarterback to get the ball beyond the yard marker. In other words, don’t put the onus on the receiver who catches the target to then also need to use yards-after-the-catch in order to get the first down.
Let the air yards, the actual distance the ball travels via the pass, gain the necessary yardage as long as the pass is completed.
Prescott is among the league worst at that in 2018, almost always leaving his receivers to have to make the play against the defense.
This is assuredly a problem that falls on both Prescott and the plays being called. When people say the Cowboys offense shows no imagination, this is the picture in the dictionary.
Back to ALEX yards. In 2017, Prescott’s average pass went 0.5 yards past the marker. That ranked just No. 26 of 35 starting QBs. In 2016, when he was an unknown and teams were figuring out how to contain the Cowboys’ new offense, his ALEX rating was 1.1 yards, good for No. 20. In 2018, Prescott’s ALEX yardage is a depressing 2.5. The average third-down pass is getting to the receiver 2.5 yards before the yard marker. That’s a prime culprit why Dallas ranks No. 31 in the entire league, converting under 24 percent of their third-down opportunities.
This is assuredly a problem that falls on both Prescott and the plays being called. When people say the Cowboys offense shows no imagination, this is the picture in the dictionary.
How much more valuable is a quarterback in the passing game than the average replacement? That’s what this metric represents, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage.
And in the case of Prescott, it’s how much less valuable. In his rookie year, Prescott’s DYAR rating was 1,302 yards, good for fourth in the entire league and an average of 81 yards per start. In 2017 he dropped to No. 17, totaling 375 DYAR yards, or an average of 24 yards per game better than the average replacement.
In the first three games of 2018, Prescott sports a mind-numbing -205 DYAR yards. Yes, that means if the Cowboys replaced Prescott in every situation he’s thrown a pass in, they would have gained 205 more yards with the Average Joe. He ranks 30th.
Translated into value per play (DVOA), the average replacement is 44 percent better than Prescott on every pass.
Dallas is telling everyone that they are going to finally take some deep shots in Sunday’s game against Detroit. Through three games Detroit is the No. 1 passing defense in the NFL, but that’s a bit misleading. The Lions aren’t really good at stopping the pass, although they do have a bunch of coverage sacks, they are just really easy to run on.
Anyway, back to Prescott. The reason the Cowboys are speaking loudly about slinging it around is because they have been abysmal thus far in 2018. Throwing deep has never been their forte, but it’s reached comical levels this season through three games.
In both 2016 and 2017 (per Pro Football Focus), Prescott threw 43 deep passes, passes that traveled at least 20 yards in the air. With about the same 9 percent of his passes going deep, Prescott had improved his accuracy year over year.
As a rookie that was 9.4 of his passes (No. 34 of 38) and he was accurate 41.9 percent of those throws (No. 16).
In 2017 that was 8.8 percent (No. 35 of 37) of his passes and he was accurate (different than completion percentage) on 44.2 percent of his throws (No. 8).
Here in 2018 though, cliff dives.
Through three games, Prescott has thrown just five deep passes, only completing one (20 percent), the long TD to Tavon Austin against the Giants. His deep ball percentage has plummeted to just 5.7 percent of his attempts (No. 31 of 32) and his accuracy percentage is also the lowest of his career, 40 percent (No. 17).
One of the biggest debates of the early season is how much responsibility Prescott and the offensive line share in the high number of sacks he’s suffered (11). There are so many factors involved in how a quarterback gets sacked, it’s hard to pinpoint. There’s bad line play, coverage sacks, predictable snap rhythms, failure to run when the situation calls for it, holding the ball too long, etc. etc.
While each sack could be debated along these lines, here we’ll focus on how well Prescott is doing when he has time in the pocket.
PFF has Prescott down for 62 dropbacks with 2.5 seconds or more before either getting the ball out or being hit for a sack. That ranks him No. 9 in the league. Since he’s only dropped back for 104 passes, his percentage of 59.6 ranks him No. 4, meaning the offensive line is doing a pretty fair job at giving him time to throw. It does not mean they are without fault, just that there are enough plays where Prescott has enough time to find high probability for success, or at least not make a negative play.
Yet Prescott has been unable to do so.
Prescott has been sacked on eight of those 62 dropbacks where there was plenty of time to dissect the defense.
Even worse, when he does get rid of the ball, he’s been atrocious.
Prescott has completed just 24 of 49 attempts when having more than 2.5 seconds in the pocket, 49 percent. That percentage ranks him No. 31 of 33 qualified throwers. He only ranks above rookie Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes the gunslinger rarely takes that much time to throw, and he has a 101.9 passer rating on these throws thanks to completing three of these throws for touchdowns against no interception.
Prescott has but one touchdown against two interceptions for a lowly 56.3 passer rating in throws in this category. Of course, that’s the worst in the league.
Apology accepted!Didnt read one word but is my assumption correct that this is a Dak bashing response? Anyone that takes that much effort to write such a long response to a positive post has to be hating. My apologies if I was wrong.
BBDD, Gallup himself admitted he was to blame for most of those missed open throws to him, because he said he would hesitate or not go full speed during his routes, thinking Dak was not going to throw to him. That threw the timing off, thus why you would see Dak overthrow Gallup.
Of course not all missed throws were on Gallup. Some were on Dak, but a majority of them were explained by Gallup himself, along with Coach Sanjay and Coach Garrett that those passes were practiced going full speed, so the throws were missed/overthrown during games because Gallup wasn't going full speed. It threw the timing off. Can't blame the QB on those misses where the WR and his coaches all say the same thing.Gallup knows what side his bread is buttered on.
"That's my quarterback!"
Did you expect him to throw his QB under the bus? Not a great way to get a lot of balls thrown your way.
Could be Gallup's fault. But it's not like Gallup was the only guy Dak would miss.
Air Less EXpected Yards, a Football Outsiders metric, represents a key part of third-down conversions. When a team is in third-and-medium or third-and-long, it is imperative for the quarterback to get the ball beyond the yard marker. In other words, don’t put the onus on the receiver who catches the target to then also need to use yards-after-the-catch in order to get the first down.
Let the air yards, the actual distance the ball travels via the pass, gain the necessary yardage as long as the pass is completed.
Prescott is among the league worst at that in 2018, almost always leaving his receivers to have to make the play against the defense.
This is assuredly a problem that falls on both Prescott and the plays being called. When people say the Cowboys offense shows no imagination, this is the picture in the dictionary.
Back to ALEX yards. In 2017, Prescott’s average pass went 0.5 yards past the marker. That ranked just No. 26 of 35 starting QBs. In 2016, when he was an unknown and teams were figuring out how to contain the Cowboys’ new offense, his ALEX rating was 1.1 yards, good for No. 20. In 2018, Prescott’s ALEX yardage is a depressing 2.5. The average third-down pass is getting to the receiver 2.5 yards before the yard marker. That’s a prime culprit why Dallas ranks No. 31 in the entire league, converting under 24 percent of their third-down opportunities.
This is assuredly a problem that falls on both Prescott and the plays being called. When people say the Cowboys offense shows no imagination, this is the picture in the dictionary.
How much more valuable is a quarterback in the passing game than the average replacement? That’s what this metric represents, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage.
And in the case of Prescott, it’s how much less valuable. In his rookie year, Prescott’s DYAR rating was 1,302 yards, good for fourth in the entire league and an average of 81 yards per start. In 2017 he dropped to No. 17, totaling 375 DYAR yards, or an average of 24 yards per game better than the average replacement.
In the first three games of 2018, Prescott sports a mind-numbing -205 DYAR yards. Yes, that means if the Cowboys replaced Prescott in every situation he’s thrown a pass in, they would have gained 205 more yards with the Average Joe. He ranks 30th.
Translated into value per play (DVOA), the average replacement is 44 percent better than Prescott on every pass.
Dallas is telling everyone that they are going to finally take some deep shots in Sunday’s game against Detroit. Through three games Detroit is the No. 1 passing defense in the NFL, but that’s a bit misleading. The Lions aren’t really good at stopping the pass, although they do have a bunch of coverage sacks, they are just really easy to run on.
Anyway, back to Prescott. The reason the Cowboys are speaking loudly about slinging it around is because they have been abysmal thus far in 2018. Throwing deep has never been their forte, but it’s reached comical levels this season through three games.
In both 2016 and 2017 (per Pro Football Focus), Prescott threw 43 deep passes, passes that traveled at least 20 yards in the air. With about the same 9 percent of his passes going deep, Prescott had improved his accuracy year over year.
As a rookie that was 9.4 of his passes (No. 34 of 38) and he was accurate 41.9 percent of those throws (No. 16).
In 2017 that was 8.8 percent (No. 35 of 37) of his passes and he was accurate (different than completion percentage) on 44.2 percent of his throws (No. 8).
Here in 2018 though, cliff dives.
Through three games, Prescott has thrown just five deep passes, only completing one (20 percent), the long TD to Tavon Austin against the Giants. His deep ball percentage has plummeted to just 5.7 percent of his attempts (No. 31 of 32) and his accuracy percentage is also the lowest of his career, 40 percent (No. 17).
One of the biggest debates of the early season is how much responsibility Prescott and the offensive line share in the high number of sacks he’s suffered (11). There are so many factors involved in how a quarterback gets sacked, it’s hard to pinpoint. There’s bad line play, coverage sacks, predictable snap rhythms, failure to run when the situation calls for it, holding the ball too long, etc. etc.
While each sack could be debated along these lines, here we’ll focus on how well Prescott is doing when he has time in the pocket.
PFF has Prescott down for 62 dropbacks with 2.5 seconds or more before either getting the ball out or being hit for a sack. That ranks him No. 9 in the league. Since he’s only dropped back for 104 passes, his percentage of 59.6 ranks him No. 4, meaning the offensive line is doing a pretty fair job at giving him time to throw. It does not mean they are without fault, just that there are enough plays where Prescott has enough time to find high probability for success, or at least not make a negative play.
Yet Prescott has been unable to do so.
Prescott has been sacked on eight of those 62 dropbacks where there was plenty of time to dissect the defense.
Even worse, when he does get rid of the ball, he’s been atrocious.
Prescott has completed just 24 of 49 attempts when having more than 2.5 seconds in the pocket, 49 percent. That percentage ranks him No. 31 of 33 qualified throwers. He only ranks above rookie Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes the gunslinger rarely takes that much time to throw, and he has a 101.9 passer rating on these throws thanks to completing three of these throws for touchdowns against no interception.
Prescott has but one touchdown against two interceptions for a lowly 56.3 passer rating in throws in this category. Of course, that’s the worst in the league.
To be fair it was after the first 3 games. Here is a link toIs this from the beginning of last year? Like...after the first 3 games? If so, what was it like after he had a decent primary target? I'm not familiar with ALEX. Can I look at it at any time? I'd be curious to see it now.
In 2016 Dak had Witten, Dez and Frederick. At least two of those guys could eventually make the Hall of Fame. In 2018 he had Hurns, Swaim or Jarwin (?) and Looney. I think in 2016 we have the offensive line of the year according to Built Ford Tough (I could be remembering wrong). In 2018 we had Frederick out, Leary was gone and Collins seems to be playing out of place.
Don't get me wrong, I'd absolutely wait to pay the guy without a steep discount for paying him early. It makes no sense write a big check without being sure if we don't have to. But the 2018 stats above don't seem indicative of how the entire year went. We had one of the worst receiving cores in the entire league to start the year. I can't think of many teams that would have traded our top three receivers for their top three receivers. Our receiving core seems MUCH better this year.
I'm all about waiting to see what Dak can do this year. Dak's declining play from the 2017 Chaz Green debacle onward through the beginning of 2018 was obvious to me...and scary. But the trend in his play was certainly point up as the year progressed. 30 million dollars annually up? Not for me...not now...not yet. But I'm at least hopeful. Your RG is stronger and has a year under his belt. Frederick should be back. Collins is near average at this point. Your receiving core is solid. And, hopefully, you have an offensive coordinator that can become something other teams need to worry about.
To be convincing, your argument has to tackle the production *given the opportunities*. And that's just a difficult thing to do.
If they failed, then that means Dak is not an easy guy to stop from chewing people up on long yardage passes. That should be an indication of his strengths. No, I don't think that applies, certainly not every QB has a high rating on long passes when the running game is stopped forcing them to beat teams with their arm - most QBs would have the opposite... look at Johnny Manziel and RGIII. Carson Wentz has one of the lowest long yardage ratings for a guy people say has such a strong arm. Jared Goff was mostly a dink and dunker until last year.
And....being that nobody is gonna count every single play we ran in 2018, we should stop speculating whether Dak is that good or not based on our eye test. Dak has one of the highest QB ratings on long yardage passing, QB under pressure rating, as well as tight window passing. He's way up in pretty much every sub-category except number of attempts, passing yards, and passing touchdowns. He might save his numbers a bit due to not enough attempts made to put his numbers in harm, but still.... the plays that he has attempted to make he's been for the most part... highly efficient.
It's an interesting site/metric. It "rose" to 1.1 by the end of the year after that horrendous start. I'll be very interested in what it does this year. There should be a significant change. If not, I hope we've waited to pay him. If it does, I hope we have him locked up. If it's up and down, I may start drinking.To be fair it was after the first 3 games. Here is a link to
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb
Meanwhile, they're one of the worst red zone teams in the league because of Dak.![]()
I got a lot more stuff like this that proves this guy is an absolute beast, people. What other proof do you need?
Left stat is the year 2018. Right stat is the year 2016.
awesome......another Dak thread..... we really needed another one![]()
I got a lot more stuff like this that proves this guy is an absolute beast, people. What other proof do you need?
Left stat is the year 2018. Right stat is the year 2016.


Here’s the most important stat: 32-16I'm a believer in stats, but they're the *beginning* of a reasonable analysis, not the end. The context of the data sampling matters, whether favorable or unfavorable. The context was teams just not sweating us beating them with our wideouts for much of the last two years. And my lying eyes give me context as well. You don't have to believe yours. I'll believe mine when I see a QB miss open WRs.
Other context: our WR coach saying being able to hit deep balls would "change everything". Change, as in hitting deep balls would be a change. You can believe that he shouldn't believe his lying eyes either.
