Dak Running, Cee Dee Fumbling, Scattershooting

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The Lions played the run tough. Can't take anything away from them in that area. I still maintain the offensive line is sketchy at times. So the run game is less than it should be. But....

What happened to Dak running the ball? I understand the Lions were max attentive to the run, but it seems to me when Dak is operating on all cylinders, he picks spots when the passing game backs off the defense and he can move the chains.

There is a downside to this in regard to injury. But this is now headed into the premium time of the year when win it or go home. Every aspect of this offense needs to be utilized. Just my opinion.

Cee Dee's fumble. Was it a fumble? Was it an incomplete pass? Did he make a football move?

I saw a post somewhere on the internet that suggested if Cee Dee's "catch," was actually that, then explain that in context of Dez' catch.

However, I don't believe Cee Dee caught that ball. That may be grousing. However, he barely had possession and turned. The rules governing the passing game are a mystery.

Why is the last several minutes of the game such a problem? McCarthy seems confused. Garrett seemed confused. Every OC this team has had since Jimmy left operates in a fog during those critical times?

Wouldn't you have a coach only meeting, then practice every situation you could think of to win the ball game without so much drama?

I truly believe if the Lions had been able to score the 2 point extra point. Dallas would have had 23 seconds and two time outs. To me that means Dallas would need to move the ball about 30 yards.

So, in your opinion, if Dallas gave Thunder-Leg Aubrey a shot at a 69-yarder, would he have made that kick? I think he can set a new record.

And what an ending to that game if he did.
 

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The Lions played the run tough. Can't take anything away from them in that area. I still maintain the offensive line is sketchy at times. So the run game is less than it should be. But....

What happened to Dak running the ball? I understand the Lions were max attentive to the run, but it seems to me when Dak is operating on all cylinders, he picks spots when the passing game backs off the defense and he can move the chains.

There is a downside to this in regard to injury. But this is now headed into the premium time of the year when win it or go home. Every aspect of this offense needs to be utilized. Just my opinion.

Cee Dee's fumble. Was it a fumble? Was it an incomplete pass? Did he make a football move?

I saw a post somewhere on the internet that suggested if Cee Dee's "catch," was actually that, then explain that in context of Dez' catch.

However, I don't believe Cee Dee caught that ball. That may be grousing. However, he barely had possession and turned. The rules governing the passing game are a mystery.

Why is the last several minutes of the game such a problem? McCarthy seems confused. Garrett seemed confused. Every OC this team has had since Jimmy left operates in a fog during those critical times?

Wouldn't you have a coach only meeting, then practice every situation you could think of to win the ball game without so much drama?

I truly believe if the Lions had been able to score the 2 point extra point. Dallas would have had 23 seconds and two time outs. To me that means Dallas would need to move the ball about 30 yards.

So, in your opinion, if Dallas gave Thunder-Leg Aubrey a shot at a 69-yarder, would he have made that kick? I think he can set a new record.

And what an ending to that game if he did.
I was kinda hoping it would come down to Aubrey banging a 69 yarder or such.
 

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So, in your opinion, if Dallas gave Thunder-Leg Aubrey a shot at a 69-yarder, would he have made that kick? I think he can set a new record.
The ball would have bounced off the crossbar and fell to the field if Aubrey had missed a 69-yard try. That is the only way I see him not possibly converting.

After everything I have seen this season, I believe Aubrey has the capability of nailing a 70-yarder IF the snap is good, IF the hold is perfect, IF he gets the usual amount of time and IF no one blocks the kick. Dude has ice water in his veins. Now I am going to shut up so I do not jinx him, lol.
 

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Cee Dee's fumble. Was it a fumble? Was it an incomplete pass? Did he make a football move?

I saw a post somewhere on the internet that suggested if Cee Dee's "catch," was actually that, then explain that in context of Dez' catch.

However, I don't believe Cee Dee caught that ball. That may be grousing. However, he barely had possession and turned. The rules governing the passing game are a mystery.
For some reason the NFL insists on making strict guidelines on what counts as a catch. They want to remove all judgment. This is what is giving them issues.

If you asked 100 people that never watched a football game in their life if that was a catch, all 100 would say he caught it, then lost it. Why? Because it was a catch.

The difference between that catch and the Dez catch, even though they both took about 3 steps, is that Dez was on his way down. But I think both were catches.

My personal opinion, if you catch the ball with both feet down, it's a catch. I don't care how long he had the ball. That first pick 6 Bland got, it was recorded as an interception because of the way they determine a catch. But in reality, it was a catch and fumble return. It didn't bounce off of him. He caught it and it was jarred loose.
 

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The Lions played the run tough. Can't take anything away from them in that area. I still maintain the offensive line is sketchy at times. So the run game is less than it should be. But....

What happened to Dak running the ball? I understand the Lions were max attentive to the run, but it seems to me when Dak is operating on all cylinders, he picks spots when the passing game backs off the defense and he can move the chains.

There is a downside to this in regard to injury. But this is now headed into the premium time of the year when win it or go home. Every aspect of this offense needs to be utilized. Just my opinion.

Cee Dee's fumble. Was it a fumble? Was it an incomplete pass? Did he make a football move?

I saw a post somewhere on the internet that suggested if Cee Dee's "catch," was actually that, then explain that in context of Dez' catch.

However, I don't believe Cee Dee caught that ball. That may be grousing. However, he barely had possession and turned. The rules governing the passing game are a mystery.

Why is the last several minutes of the game such a problem? McCarthy seems confused. Garrett seemed confused. Every OC this team has had since Jimmy left operates in a fog during those critical times?

Wouldn't you have a coach only meeting, then practice every situation you could think of to win the ball game without so much drama?

I truly believe if the Lions had been able to score the 2 point extra point. Dallas would have had 23 seconds and two time outs. To me that means Dallas would need to move the ball about 30 yards.

So, in your opinion, if Dallas gave Thunder-Leg Aubrey a shot at a 69-yarder, would he have made that kick? I think he can set a new record.

And what an ending to that game if he did.
Dak is playing like Rodgers used to play under MM. He will take off with he ball but he is much more likely to stretch the play out to thhe sideline in a scramble drill. They work on that a lot according to MM. The record setting pass to Lamb was on that.
 

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What ever the call could have been, Dallas should have scored 7 points and taken a game momentum change to the better.

7 points would have even changed McCarthy's game plan at the end...lol.
 

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I believe they must know that dak as a mobile quarterback is a much bigger weapon. At this point I think they're saving it for the playoffs so there won't be a defense prepped for it.
 

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The Lions played the run tough. Can't take anything away from them in that area. I still maintain the offensive line is sketchy at times. So the run game is less than it should be. But....

What happened to Dak running the ball? I understand the Lions were max attentive to the run, but it seems to me when Dak is operating on all cylinders, he picks spots when the passing game backs off the defense and he can move the chains.

There is a downside to this in regard to injury. But this is now headed into the premium time of the year when win it or go home. Every aspect of this offense needs to be utilized. Just my opinion.

Cee Dee's fumble. Was it a fumble? Was it an incomplete pass? Did he make a football move?

I saw a post somewhere on the internet that suggested if Cee Dee's "catch," was actually that, then explain that in context of Dez' catch.

However, I don't believe Cee Dee caught that ball. That may be grousing. However, he barely had possession and turned. The rules governing the passing game are a mystery.

Why is the last several minutes of the game such a problem? McCarthy seems confused. Garrett seemed confused. Every OC this team has had since Jimmy left operates in a fog during those critical times?

Wouldn't you have a coach only meeting, then practice every situation you could think of to win the ball game without so much drama?

I truly believe if the Lions had been able to score the 2 point extra point. Dallas would have had 23 seconds and two time outs. To me that means Dallas would need to move the ball about 30 yards.

So, in your opinion, if Dallas gave Thunder-Leg Aubrey a shot at a 69-yarder, would he have made that kick? I think he can set a new record.

And what an ending to that game if he did.
I still don’t believe Lamb had control of the football They showed a quick replay and then they were lining up on the field to kick the ball off. Of course slow Mike is standing there in a haze.
 

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What ever the call could have been, Dallas should have scored 7 points and taken a game momentum change to the better.

7 points would have even changed McCarthy's game plan at the end...lol.
How do we know this though, I hear you, but it bothers me when people say if we would have scored it would have done that and this. How do we know that the opposing team wouldn't come right back and score
 

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I still don’t believe Lamb had control of the football They showed a quick replay and then they were lining up on the field to kick the ball off. Of course slow Mike is standing there in a haze.
What else would you like him to do? They automatically review it. It's not like he can challenge it or anything.

In my opinion, based off of what they consider a catch, it was a catch and a fumble.
 

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The Lions played the run tough. Can't take anything away from them in that area. I still maintain the offensive line is sketchy at times. So the run game is less than it should be. But....

What happened to Dak running the ball? I understand the Lions were max attentive to the run, but it seems to me when Dak is operating on all cylinders, he picks spots when the passing game backs off the defense and he can move the chains.

There is a downside to this in regard to injury. But this is now headed into the premium time of the year when win it or go home. Every aspect of this offense needs to be utilized. Just my opinion.

Cee Dee's fumble. Was it a fumble? Was it an incomplete pass? Did he make a football move?

I saw a post somewhere on the internet that suggested if Cee Dee's "catch," was actually that, then explain that in context of Dez' catch.

However, I don't believe Cee Dee caught that ball. That may be grousing. However, he barely had possession and turned. The rules governing the passing game are a mystery.

Why is the last several minutes of the game such a problem? McCarthy seems confused. Garrett seemed confused. Every OC this team has had since Jimmy left operates in a fog during those critical times?

Wouldn't you have a coach only meeting, then practice every situation you could think of to win the ball game without so much drama?

I truly believe if the Lions had been able to score the 2 point extra point. Dallas would have had 23 seconds and two time outs. To me that means Dallas would need to move the ball about 30 yards.

So, in your opinion, if Dallas gave Thunder-Leg Aubrey a shot at a 69-yarder, would he have made that kick? I think he can set a new record.

And what an ending to that game if he did.
If Lamb fumbled the ball into the end zone and we dove on it, they may have said incomplete instead of TD, 50-50%

CeeDee took two steps, Dez took three, changed arms with ball and made a football move.
 

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I don’t see how anyone could question the Lamb fumble. He caught the ball cleanly, cuts upfield to try to score, and may have gotten both feet down twice. It’s close whether or not his 4th step was before he lost the ball.
 

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What else would you like him to do? They automatically review it. It's not like he can challenge it or anything.

In my opinion, based off of what they consider a catch, it was a catch and a fumble.
Only from the cowboys players, only the cowboys, like how many other teams have this happen uhhhh!!
 

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I don’t see how anyone could question the Lamb fumble. He caught the ball cleanly, cuts upfield to try to score, and may have gotten both feet down twice. It’s close whether or not his 4th step was before he lost the ball.
poor concentration by him
 

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The Lions played the run tough. Can't take anything away from them in that area. I still maintain the offensive line is sketchy at times. So the run game is less than it should be. But....

What happened to Dak running the ball? I understand the Lions were max attentive to the run, but it seems to me when Dak is operating on all cylinders, he picks spots when the passing game backs off the defense and he can move the chains.

There is a downside to this in regard to injury. But this is now headed into the premium time of the year when win it or go home. Every aspect of this offense needs to be utilized. Just my opinion.

Cee Dee's fumble. Was it a fumble? Was it an incomplete pass? Did he make a football move?

I saw a post somewhere on the internet that suggested if Cee Dee's "catch," was actually that, then explain that in context of Dez' catch.

However, I don't believe Cee Dee caught that ball. That may be grousing. However, he barely had possession and turned. The rules governing the passing game are a mystery.

Why is the last several minutes of the game such a problem? McCarthy seems confused. Garrett seemed confused. Every OC this team has had since Jimmy left operates in a fog during those critical times?

Wouldn't you have a coach only meeting, then practice every situation you could think of to win the ball game without so much drama?

I truly believe if the Lions had been able to score the 2 point extra point. Dallas would have had 23 seconds and two time outs. To me that means Dallas would need to move the ball about 30 yards.

So, in your opinion, if Dallas gave Thunder-Leg Aubrey a shot at a 69-yarder, would he have made that kick? I think he can set a new record.

And what an ending to that game if he did.
I hope Daks lack of mobility is on purpose to throw off potential playoffs contenders planning. We do well when he scrambles and runs when pass lanes are locked up. If we are not working on getting Dak mobile for playoffs it could be a short playoff run.
 

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IMO a catch should be the judgement call of the ref. Just like it was for many years in the past. We have replay now, and any turnover is reviewed. I don't care if the player caught the ball for 1 second. If it's jarred loose, it's a fumble. Why do you have to make a football move? If you caught the ball, then spit the bit, it's a fumble. It shouldn't matter how long you had possession. Or what dance you did after you got possession, just that you had possession. The relinquished possession.

The Dez non catch was absurd. Everyone on this flat earth could see he caught the ball. It's only the NFLs insistence on defining a catch that makes things look stupid.
 

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Only from the cowboys players, only the cowboys, like how many other teams have this happen uhhhh!!
No, this happens to other teams as well. It's rare, just due to the circumstances. When was the last time you remember this happening to another Cowboys player? I remember the Cowboys beat the Raiders several years back when Derek Carr was diving for the end zone, fumbled, the ball went out of the end zone and it was then Cowboys ball. Had he scored it would've basically been game over.
 

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No, this happens to other teams as well. It's rare, just due to the circumstances. When was the last time you remember this happening to another Cowboys player? I remember the Cowboys beat the Raiders several years back when Derek Carr was diving for the end zone, fumbled, the ball went out of the end zone and it was then Cowboys ball. Had he scored it would've basically been game over.
Do you not remember the non-scores right at the 1 yard line this season by our TE and by tony pollard, silly plays like this happen too often here, its comical at times
 

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No, this happens to other teams as well. It's rare, just due to the circumstances. When was the last time you remember this happening to another Cowboys player? I remember the Cowboys beat the Raiders several years back when Derek Carr was diving for the end zone, fumbled, the ball went out of the end zone and it was then Cowboys ball. Had he scored it would've basically been game over.
or the fullback fumbling at the goaline
 
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