Dak to the Future

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No, I gotcha. I'm looking at it with the benefit of hindsight. Griffin's rookie season I did think he was too self centered and wasn't a guy that his team mates would love, but I didn't know he would fail.

Another thing I saw very early on was how smart Shanahan was being with RG3. Simple reads, splitting the field in half..... it was brilliant and I said so back in 2012. All Bob had to do was either hand it to Morris, or drop back and make one read. If that read was covered, then just take off and make the defense pay with his legs. No real NFL style reading of the defense and what's more, the defenses just didn't know what to do with the read option in his rookie year.

It was all going for him and they picked up first downs and scored TD's.

Once team's figured out how to stop the read option and Shanahan asked Griff to actually digest an NFL defense and decipher it... the game was up.

That's why I laugh when people use RG3 as an example of how Dak might come back down to Earth in year 2. Dak ran a normal NFL offense and has been reading the defenses and making good decisions since day 1. There is nothing much for defenses to figure out about Dak. The real conundrum is: load up to stop Elliott and risk the passing game or try to stop Dak and let Zeke run amok.

Nothing will have changed since last year except hopefully the defense is a little better and Dak and company have more shots at the ball.

What I saw in RGIII was the same thing I saw with Michael Vick. Highly athletic and had no doubt both would get off to fast starts in their career but long term if all you have at QB is athletic ability but lack the mental toughness and intelligence you will come up short as both have. Some of the all time great QB where not the most athletic they were the guys who can make the quick reads who knows exactly what the defense is throwing at them and being able to react to that in a calm and confident manner.
 

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No, I gotcha. I'm looking at it with the benefit of hindsight. Griffin's rookie season I did think he was too self centered and wasn't a guy that his team mates would love, but I didn't know he would fail.

Another thing I saw very early on was how smart Shanahan was being with RG3. Simple reads, splitting the field in half..... it was brilliant and I said so back in 2012. All Bob had to do was either hand it to Morris, or drop back and make one read. If that read was covered, then just take off and make the defense pay with his legs. No real NFL style reading of the defense and what's more, the defenses just didn't know what to do with the read option in his rookie year.

It was all going for him and they picked up first downs and scored TD's.

Once team's figured out how to stop the read option and Shanahan asked Griff to actually digest an NFL defense and decipher it... the game was up.

That's why I laugh when people use RG3 as an example of how Dak might come back down to Earth in year 2. Dak ran a normal NFL offense and has been reading the defenses and making good decisions since day 1. There is nothing much for defenses to figure out about Dak. The real conundrum is: load up to stop Elliott and risk the passing game or try to stop Dak and let Zeke run amok.

Nothing will have changed since last year except hopefully the defense is a little better and Dak and company have more shots at the ball.
You certainly don't want to use RG3 as a baseline for projecting what Dak will be in 2017. As early as preseason he was exhibiting signs that he was not your average rookie; hell, he wasn't your average 3rd year qb. I saw what you saw; multiple reads, looking off the safety, seamless playaction fakes and rollouts...it was like watching a seasoned pro dissect every defense they threw his way. I kept trying to tell people back in preseason that this kid was the real deal, but it wasn't until about 4 games in that many people started to take notice.
 

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One of my daily rituals that not only ferries me across another day without football, but also helps alleviate the stress of a daily 45 minute to an hour drive to and from work in bumper to bumper traffic is to scroll through my recommended page on YouTube to find various audio dedicated to our Dallas Cowboys. Scouting reports, news from First Take, news from Undisputed, the Cowboys Break…anything to relieve the monotony of sitting behind the wheel watching the break light symphony lost in its long and tedious refrain.

This morning’s recommended selection granted me audio of Dak’s recent interview on the Rich Eisen show. For the most part, this interview provided very little new information, as is frequently the case. However, at one point Rich asked an excellent question; summarizing: At what point did you realize you could play this game; that being the starter wasn’t going to be too big for you?

In the following I am going to provide a paraphrased version of what Dak said and interject my own commentary as I go through it. In response, Dak broke down the situation as it unfolded:

Dak: Unfortunately, Kellen Moore got hurt.

A lot of players say all the right things; for many, it often times comes across as disingenuous. There is absolutely nothing insincere about the “unfortunately” Dak plugged in there…you get the impression that he truly means it, despite the fact that without that happening, last year never happens and this interview likely fades like Michael J Fox’s hand in Back to the Future.

Dak: The next day, they gave Romo a veterans day off.

Think about the significance of that move by the Cowboys. It wasn’t just about giving Romo the day off. That was all about Dak and Showers and finding out if they were going to need to make a move to bring in a veteran as a backup. For those of you who followed that storyline as close as I did, you may recall that at that time many were lauding Shower’s as a potential backup to Tony Romo, having already written off Kellen due to his end of 2015 performance and blindly accepting the “project” label that had already been firmly affixed to Dak. There was even talk of bringing in Nick Foles, but the Cowboys took the wiser course and ultimately decided they were going to let training camp play itself out and see if a QB emerged within the ranks they had already amassed at the position.

Dak: The moment I stepped into the huddle and saw the likes of Jason Witten and all these stars looking at me for direction I knew it was my time; that I could do this.

As he was speaking, I put myself behind his eyeballs in that huddle. Let me see if I can’t recreate that for you:

Close your eyes. Umm, err, yeah, that’s not going to work. Imagine your eyes are closed. Now imagine you are in a circle of men that features more than one potential future Hall of Famer (Witten, Tyron, Frederick, Zack, Dez, a bit premature, but I’ll go ahead and lump Zeke in that conversation, and, hell, why not, Beasley). All of these men are looking at you to provide the play; direction. They aren’t looking at you with an expression that screams you don’t belong; these guys, for the exception of Zeke, are deeply indoctrinated with Garrett’s next-man-up mantra. They know that a big part of their function in making that next-man-up concept work is to set aside any preconceived notions they may have about the player and expect them to do their job and do it well. There is no doubt in their eyes. There is no half-concealed smile as if to say, “You don’t belong in this huddle with me.” They are all ears and focus. All Dak has to do is do what he has done for just about his entire life; lean on his preparation and lead.

And lead he did…to an extent that removed all doubt from not only his teammates, not only his coaches, but, more importantly, from the collective of men that makes up the front office. Otherwise, the Cowboys would have likely brought in a progress-stopper within a few days following Kellen’s injury. After all, with Romo’s continual issues with injuries, the backup QB position was not something they wanted to gamble on. Imagine what Dak had to do in those few short practices to stay their hand.

Later in the interview, Rich asked Dak what advice he had to offer the crop of 2017 rookie QB’s new to the NFL?

Dak responded: Control what you can control. You can’t control the doubters or circumstances, but you can control how fast you learn that playbook. You can control earning the respect of your teammates. If you are not a Ra Ra guy, don’t try to be a Ra Ra guy. Be yourself, learn the system and the respect will come.

Dak will be 24 July 29th this year. I remember Jday at that age all too well. Which is why, for me at least, his poise and composure, not only under fire standing in the pocket on gameday, but also staring into the barrel of microphones and cameras during his interviews and press conferences, is astounding; it is truly on another level from any QB I’ve seen wearing a blue star on the side of their helmet one year into their career.

Remember Romo’s missive following a 44 – 6 blowout at the hands of the Eagle in a 2008 win-and-your-in season finale: "If this is the worst thing that will ever happen to me, then I've lived a pretty good life."

Dak’s command of the huddle and poise in the pocket has been discussed ad nauseum, but I have yet to read or hear credit offered for his command of the media huddle and poise in the conference room pocket. Nothing rattles him, including outside-of-the-Cowboys-organization perception and opinion.

His football-IQ is a product of his work ethic; no question there. But his life-IQ is the product of something else entirely.

I’m not sure of the exact ingredients or the measurements required, but I’m very familiar with a few of the flavors: you start with about 20 heaping spoons of a loving but strict mom, sprinkle in a few older brothers that make you work harder to compete with them followed by several coaches along the way that throw in belief and nurtured desire, the occasional dash of tragedy, supplemented with an annual splash of proving doubters wrong, bake in an oven of abject poverty throughout and viola; you might have something similar to a Dak...but you will never in a million years be able to reproduce an exact replica…my advice would be to not even bother trying.

What is obvious to me one year in to Dak’s promising career is that he is (and forever will be) focused on the moment and what aspect of that moment he has dominion over. His mind is in no way clouded by issues and comments beyond his control; he stays true to himself, true to his commitments and true to his teammates. And it is abundantly clear, Dak knows no other way to be….which is why the Cowboys organization early in the 2016 season consigned Dak to the future.

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Good stuff.

But, jday, you and others took those Romo comments WAY out of context.

He came out of that game early and had more than an hour to suffer and replay that loss.

His dad was in the middle of a real battle with cancer.

Given the same circumstance, but replace Romo's dad with Dak's mom, and Dak may have said the same, beyond-his-years mature, statement.

Life goes on, if you're allowed to actually stay alive.
And losing one football game is off-the-charts tiny in comparison to life itself.
I promise you Dak would trade one loss in football for his mom's life.
Well, thats basically what Tony was saying.
 
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Good stuff.

But, jday, you and others took those Romo comments WAY out of context.

He came out of that game early and had more than an hour to suffer and replay that loss.
His dad was in the middle of a real battle with cancer.
Given the same circumstance, but replace Romos dad with Daks mom, and Dak may have said the same, beyong his years mature, statement.

Life goes on, if you're allowed to actually stay alive.
And losing one football game is off the charts tiny in comparison to life itself.
I promise you Dak would trade one loss in football for his mom's life.


I agree with you. There is no doubt in my mind that losing bothered Romo just as much as anyone but he also was able to keep things in perspective. Thing with Romo he proved himself and his dedication on the field, playing vs the Commander after injuring his back in the game yet pulled the win out. Of course the SF game with the broken rib and punctured lung and pulled the win. Only guys with passion of the game would have endured the pain he was dealing with. After the game is done and you have laid it all on the line you deal with the loss the best you can and somethings that is putting it all back into a clear perspective
 

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I agree with you. There is no doubt in my mind that losing bothered Romo just as much as anyone but he also was able to keep things in perspective. Thing with Romo he proved himself and his dedication on the field, playing vs the Commander after injuring his back in the game yet pulled the win out. Of course the SF game with the broken rib and punctured lung and pulled the win. Only guys with passion of the game would have endured the pain he was dealing with. After the game is done and you have laid it all on the line you deal with the loss the best you can and somethings that is putting it all back into a clear perspective
Well said
 

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He's been pretty impressive, but according to many in the CZ he is headed down the wrong path because he eats Chunky soup and talked about his mother's illness on GMA. I choose to side with you and not the "Fans" that are eagerly waiting for him to fail.


If one (cowboys fan) is eagerly awaiting for him to fail then that "one" is a flippin' idiot!
 

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Good stuff.

But, jday, you and others took those Romo comments WAY out of context.

He came out of that game early and had more than an hour to suffer and replay that loss.

His dad was in the middle of a real battle with cancer.

Given the same circumstance, but replace Romo's dad with Dak's mom, and Dak may have said the same, beyond-his-years mature, statement.

Life goes on, if you're allowed to actually stay alive.
And losing one football game is off-the-charts tiny in comparison to life itself.
I promise you Dak would trade one loss in football for his mom's life.
Well, thats basically what Tony was saying.
When I was working on this submission, it occurred to me that point would raise some eyebrows, and I started to explain myself further but thought better of it because it was veering too far from my general point about Dak. I, personally, don't blame Tony for what he said. What he said, after all, was absolutely true. There is no denying that regardless of never winning that coveted Super Bowl, Tony has largely led a charmed life. The problem with what he said is not everyone, especially in that moment, are advanced enough in their thinking to accept that as the closing statements to his season...especially considering they can in no way relate to the life Romo leads. I see both sides of the issue clearly.

That said, I have to disagree with your assessment that Dak would have said the same thing. Dak has a clear conception of his role as a leader...and has from the word go. Romo learned how to be leader over time. Being a leader is not a part-time gig on Sundays in football. If you are a leader on the team, you are the voice of that team at all times; regardless if you are on the football field or enjoying dinner at your favorite restaurant discussing football with your waiter/waitress. Everything you say and do is as the face of the team you represent. What Romo said is quite simply not what a leader of men is supposed to say. Romo knows that now. Dak has known that for a long time and to me that is quite clear. In fact, I'm pretty sure Dak would say as the leader of the team that the loss is on him and all he can do is keep working to get better.

Tony Romo has always been a great competitor; but leading was not something that came natural to him. Whereas, even the scouting reports on Dak admitted he was a great leader in that Mississippi locker room. Players just seemed to gravitate towards him as an individual. As much as I love Tony, he fell short in that particular department and always has.
 

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I agree with you. There is no doubt in my mind that losing bothered Romo just as much as anyone but he also was able to keep things in perspective. Thing with Romo he proved himself and his dedication on the field, playing vs the Commander after injuring his back in the game yet pulled the win out. Of course the SF game with the broken rib and punctured lung and pulled the win. Only guys with passion of the game would have endured the pain he was dealing with. After the game is done and you have laid it all on the line you deal with the loss the best you can and somethings that is putting it all back into a clear perspective
This in many ways paints the picture of what I was trying to say. As a competitor, Romo is rivaled by few. But as a leader of men, Romo fell short. Now, understand, what he did in the games you mentioned was awesome and absolutely what a leader of men does. But what he said following that game in 2008 he should have kept to himself to help himself get through that situation. That is not something, however, a leader says as the face of a franchise to the world.

Just my opinion, though.
 

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If one (cowboys fan) is eagerly awaiting for him to fail then that "one" is a flippin' idiot!
I can only think of one fan in the CZ anxiously awaiting Dak to fail, but it's not because he's a "flippin idiot!" Its because he had his heart set on a different QB who went to the Eagles, whom his own evaluations led him to believe that player was better than Dak. In fact, this same poster launched a campaign early on suggesting that eventually Dak would fail. Ever since this poster has caught quite a bit of flack for his convictions. So naturally, to a certain degree as much as he loves him some Cowboys, there is a bright side to Dak failing which would be the fact that now he could tell everyone,"I told you so," salvaging his otherwise sterling credibility.
 

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I believe in Dak and think he is going to be a very good QB. But I will say this ...... without Zeke on our team last year I don't think we would be as all in on Dak. I really think Zeke and this OL is the fuel for this engine to run. Without either Dak would still be very good with lots of intangibles, but a few less W's and a few more L's on his pro resume.
 

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What I saw in RGIII was the same thing I saw with Michael Vick. Highly athletic and had no doubt both would get off to fast starts in their career but long term if all you have at QB is athletic ability but lack the mental toughness and intelligence you will come up short as both have. Some of the all time great QB where not the most athletic they were the guys who can make the quick reads who knows exactly what the defense is throwing at them and being able to react to that in a calm and confident manner.


If a QB can't process information swiftly accurately and effectively, then nothing else really matters.
 

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I believe in Dak and think he is going to be a very good QB. But I will say this ...... without Zeke on our team last year I don't think we would be as all in on Dak. I really think Zeke and this OL is the fuel for this engine to run. Without either Dak would still be very good with lots of intangibles, but a few less W's and a few more L's on his pro resume.
I will agree very much so that there is no way they have the season they had without Zeke; 2 less wins may even be overly fair. That said, I still say we would be just as excited about Dak because Dak was still making throws we aren't used to players not named Tony making. We need only revisit the 2015 circus to know the truth of that statement. With or without Zeke, I still believe Dak is on another level.
 

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I can only think of one fan in the CZ anxiously awaiting Dak to fail, but it's not because he's a "flippin idiot!" Its because he had his heart set on a different QB who went to the Eagles, whom his own evaluations led him to believe that player was better than Dak. In fact, this same poster launched a campaign early on suggesting that eventually Dak would fail. Ever since this poster has caught quite a bit of flack for his convictions. So naturally, to a certain degree as much as he loves him some Cowboys, there is a bright side to Dak failing which would be the fact that now he could tell everyone,"I told you so," salvaging his otherwise sterling credibility.


There arent enough "I told you so's" for me to want a player to fail.

I want super bowl 6 and 7 more than any "I told you so's"


20 plus years without a super bowl win... I would root for Madea as our quarterback if it meant we win SB!
 

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He's been pretty impressive, but according to many in the CZ he is headed down the wrong path because he eats Chunky soup and talked about his mother's illness on GMA. I choose to side with you and not the "Fans" that are eagerly waiting for him to fail.

Don't forget he also has tattoos. Thug for hire Dak Prescott!!
 

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I will agree very much so that there is no way they have the season they had without Zeke; 2 less wins may even be overly fair. That said, I still say we would be just as excited about Dak because Dak was still making throws we aren't used to players not named Tony making. We need only revisit the 2015 circus to know the truth of that statement. With or without Zeke, I still believe Dak is on another level.

Although I tend to agree with you there were a couple of times last year that he seemed to struggle a little bit (although much less than one might expect a rookie to struggle) but it WAS there. I'm excited about Dak but he's not super human.

He broke Tom Brady's record which stood for a long time. That's no small accomplishment, but it's also partly luck. He could be the next Tom Brady. He has as good of a chance as anyone.

I just hope the Cowboys don't piss off the benefit of his low cap charge on JAGs. We need an impact player or two. Either develop them through the draft, or go get them. But let's not piss this sort of benefit off on Almost Anthonys.
 

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Although I tend to agree with you there were a couple of times last year that he seemed to struggle a little bit (although much less than one might expect a rookie to struggle) but it WAS there. I'm excited about Dak but he's not super human.

He broke Tom Brady's record which stood for a long time. That's no small accomplishment, but it's also partly luck. He could be the next Tom Brady. He has as good of a chance as anyone.

I just hope the Cowboys don't piss off the benefit of his low cap charge on JAGs. We need an impact player or two. Either develop them through the draft, or go get them. But let's not piss this sort of benefit off on Almost Anthonys.
 

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I have complete faith in dak. He just seems to have it. This season will be really telling playing all these good/great defenses!
 
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