Dak > Wince

[Irvin88_4life]

My main problem with the whole whining about the OL is that people are just using it as a crutch, and to deflect blame from their guy onto somebody else. I could understand it if it was one of those lines in recent memory where we see them having several people have a clear line to the quarterback. Yeah the line is banged up a bit, but its not to the point of being ridiculous and we have seen other quarterbacks around the NFL being able to still earn their bread and butter with similarly bad lines. And then we have some people around here who talk like we need to do free agent signing or use another first round draft to give dak the line he deserves and that gets to the point of being ridiculous, since the team has other holes and you can't just keep spending on the OL. And yes, if dak would be here for 10 years or more, wouldn't you think that the line will be much worse than it is now on some of those years?

Yep you're right 56 sacks isn't ridiculous.

By the way nobody is using the OL as a crutch. The fact Dak overcomes that and won the division and got to 10 wins is impressive. You talk like Dak is 3-13 and people saying the only reason Dak couldn't win was because of the OL.

You do realize we won 10 games right? You also realize Dak had almost 400 yards 4 TDs and 0 turnovers yesterday with none of the 3 all pro OL or Zeke playing. Maybe you should start giving credit to Dak

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

No I'm showing facts. Foles in the first 2 games had almost his entire offense healthy and he looked so bad they rushed back Wentz.

Funny you want to make excuses for all these other teams but want to push your Dak agenda for no reason but simple hate. Dak supporters aren't blind like you Dak haters.

Well the eagles think that Wentz is their franchise quarterback, so they were going to rush back to wentz anyway. Right after Foles got Super Bowl MVP people were already saying that Wentz is their franchise guy, and the eagles made foles make it clear that he knew too. Foles low points haven't been lower than Dak's if you going to be honest here, and it would be silly for the cowboys to give up on Dak early in the season when we were 3-5. You play the best player available, and Dak certainly is better than Mike White and Cooper Rush. And again, stop lumping us fans who are trying to be realists here with either the homers or the haters. The realist may be negative, but their arguments are based on logic and not hate or blind homerism.

 

[Techsass]

I like what Dak did Today. But Foles won the Big one. So if I have to pay for a quarterback; I'll go with the proven commodity. Dak will have to do a lot more in the playoffs to change my mind.

So you're a Flacco fan?

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Yep you're right 56 sacks isn't ridiculous.

By the way nobody is using the OL as a crutch. The fact Dak overcomes that and won the division and got to 10 wins is impressive. You talk like Dak is 3-13 and people saying the only reason Dak couldn't win was because of the OL.

You do realize we won 10 games right? You also realize Dak had almost 400 yards 4 TDs and 0 turnovers yesterday with none of the 3 all pro OL or Zeke playing. Maybe you should start giving credit to Dak

Did I not give Dak his props yesterday? But Dak is partially to blame for some of those sacks. I've seen him run forward straight into the oncoming lineman this seasons. People have mentioned that his pocket awareness has been bad this season. Also the problem with some apologists I have, when something bad happens to them its is never Dak's fault, and they mention how it is the team. But whenever it comes to the success of the cowboys, then they say it is Dak. Zeek, Coop and the D are major factors in Dak's success. We've seen statistics of how Dak fares with Zeek and without, and we know without Coop Dak was 3-5 and with coop 7-1. This has been an up and down season for Dak, why not let him prove himself in the playoffs?

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

So you're a Flacco fan?

Does he play for the Cowboys?

 

[Scotman]

Bus .... DRIVER.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Well the eagles think that Wentz is their franchise quarterback, so they were going to rush back to wentz anyway. Right after Foles got Super Bowl MVP people were already saying that Wentz is their franchise guy, and the eagles made foles make it clear that he knew too. Foles low points haven't been lower than Dak's if you going to be honest here, and it would be silly for the cowboys to give up on Dak early in the season when we were 3-5. You play the best player available, and Dak certainly is better than Mike White and Cooper Rush. And again, stop lumping us fans who are trying to be realists here with either the homers or the haters. The realist may be negative, but their arguments are based on logic and not hate or blind homerism.

That's completely false because the haters aren't realist at all. It's always bad no matter what Dak does. It's the complete opposite with Dak supporters who actually say both positive and negative. Foles and Wentz face both have had worst games than Dak.

To help you go look at Wentz career start vs Dak and tell me which is better.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Did I not give Dak his props yesterday? But Dak is partially to blame for some of those sacks. I've seen him run forward straight into the oncoming lineman this seasons. People have mentioned that his pocket awareness has been bad this season. Also the problem with some apologists I have, when something bad happens to them its is never Dak's fault, and they mention how it is the team. But whenever it comes to the success of the cowboys, then they say it is Dak. Zeek, Coop and the D are major factors in Dak's success. We've seen statistics of how Dak fares with Zeek and without, and we know without Coop Dak was 3-5 and with coop 7-1. This has been an up and down season for Dak, why not let him prove himself in the playoffs?

Again that's false. Dak supporters have never gave Dak only credit and no blame. Sure Dak is responsible for some sacks but when the line breaks down and Dak takes off running and gets sacked y'all always say it's Daks fault and that's just not true. To say it is, is false, silly and childish

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

That's completely false because the haters aren't realist at all. It's always bad no matter what Dak does. It's the complete opposite with Dak supporters who actually say both positive and negative. Foles and Wentz face both have had worst games than Dak.

To help you go look at Wentz career start vs Dak and tell me which is better.

Most of the Dak supporters on here will blame everyone but Dak right after a loss. In fact, they whine against the constants, like coaching, when coaching is the usual problem around these parts unless those rare occasions when Jerry hires a Parcels or Jimmy. It gets very delusional around here sometimes. Or we are living in 2016 instead of 2019, and can't seem to get past that one year. I also don't think Wentz is better than Dak, especially post injury, he is on the same level to me. Foles won a superbowl against the best run organization this era, and he did so convincingly enough to win super bowl mvp. I can respect that. But the cowboys are in the playoffs, like I said, why not be patient and let Dak speak for himself? I hope he balls out.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Again that's false. Dak supporters have never gave Dak only credit and no blame. Sure Dak is responsible for some sacks but when the line breaks down and Dak takes off running and gets sacked y'all always say it's Daks fault and that's just not true. To say it is, is false, silly and childish

Lines breaking down, is the life of an NFL Quarterback. Again, you don't think that if Dak is here long term he will have to deal with much worse lines than he dealt with this year? Also maybe you haven't given Dak only credit and no blame, but some do. There are some real homers on this board. I've been called a hater, but I've yet to call you a homer.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Most of the Dak supporters on here will blame everyone but Dak right after a loss. In fact, they whine against the constants, like coaching, when coaching is the usual problem around these parts unless those rare occasions when Jerry hires a Parcels or Jimmy. It gets very delusional around here sometimes. Or we are living in 2016 instead of 2019, and can't seem to get past that one year. I also don't think Wentz is better than Dak, especially post injury, he is on the same level to me. Foles won a superbowl against the best run organization this era, and he did so convincingly enough to win super bowl mvp. I can respect that. But the cowboys are in the playoffs, like I said, why not be patient and let Dak speak for himself? I hope he balls out.

You have missed the point on Dak supporters. They have never said he isn't to blame, it's just not all his fault. Blame goes to the entire team and so should the credit. When a hater says bull crap of course the supporters are going to correct them. When Dak makes a terrible throw they say it was on Dak. The haters are the ones that are mostly one sided and not realist.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Lines breaking down, is the life of an NFL Quarterback. Again, you don't think that if Dak is here long term he will have to deal with much worse lines than he dealt with this year? Also maybe you haven't given Dak only credit and no blame, but some do. There are some real homers on this board. I've been called a hater, but I've yet to call you a homer.

Most would say I'm the biggest homer. I call you a hater because you have said things that haters say. For instance, you say that all OL break down and Dak has to deal with it........ If you haven't noticed he does, 3 straight winning seasons but not only that just because all OL break down doesn't mean they don't get blamed for playing terrible. All QBs miss wide open guys so in your theory the haters should just deal with it.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

You have missed the point on Dak supporters. They have never said he isn't to blame, it's just not all his fault. Blame goes to the entire team and so should the credit. When a hater says bull crap of course the supporters are going to correct them. When Dak makes a terrible throw they say it was on Dak. The haters are the ones that are mostly one sided and not realist.

I'm sorry I don't think you speak for all supporters. There are some that say reasonable things. Then there are others who are pure homers. Just like there are people who don't support Dak who are realist and others who are haters. Whether you support Dak or Not doesn't automatically make you a homer or hater.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Most would say I'm the biggest homer. I call you a hater because you have said things that haters say. For instance, you say that all OL break down and Dak has to deal with it........ If you haven't noticed he does, 3 straight winning seasons but not only that just because all OL break down doesn't mean they don't get blamed for playing terrible. All QBs miss wide open guys so in your theory the haters should just deal with it.

I haven't called you a homer, have I? I also guess we view things a bit different. 2016 was a treat. 2017 I see as a disaster, especially for some very horrible games that no true fan should be happy with. 2018 was saved by the Cooper trade. 10-6 is amazing, but without the Coop trade that 3-5 could've easily become 8-8 or worse. The question still is: How much of the turn around is Dak and how much is Coop, Zeek, and the D? You say all quarterbacks miss wide open guys, but some of those Dak misses are very ugly and Coop has done some amazing adjustments for badly thrown balls that a normal receiver wouldn't have made to make some of his catches. I think in the regular season team mates can cover up some of the deficiencies of other team mates, but it becomes a different story in the playoffs? Dak has a blank slate now and can prove himself. Hopefully he'll lay at rest some of the concerns that his harshest critics have.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I'm sorry I don't think you speak for all supporters. There are some that say reasonable things. Then there are others who are pure homers. Just like there are people who don't support Dak who are realist and others who are haters. Whether you support Dak or Not doesn't automatically make you a homer or hater.

I can't dispute that statement. Personally it doesn't matter what we think, we want results and in my opinion Dak wins and makes better plays than he does bad plays. He still needs work no doubt but he is really good and has a ton of potential. My biggest wish is for Jerry to hire him a real QB coach, especially if he is going to give Dak a long term deal. Maximize your investment

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I haven't called you a homer, have I? I also guess we view things a bit different. 2016 was a treat. 2017 I see as a disaster, especially for some very horrible games that no true fan should be happy with. 2018 was saved by the Cooper trade. 10-6 is amazing, but without the Coop trade that 3-5 could've easily become 8-8 or worse. The question still is: How much of the turn around is Dak and how much is Coop, Zeek, and the D? You say all quarterbacks miss wide open guys, but some of those Dak misses are very ugly and Coop has done some amazing adjustments for badly thrown balls that a normal receiver wouldn't have made to make some of his catches. I think in the regular season team mates can cover up some of the deficiencies of other team mates, but it becomes a different story in the playoffs? Dak has a blank slate now and can prove himself. Hopefully he'll lay at rest some of the concerns that his harshest critics have.

Well Cooper helped no doubt but what about the wins against Tampa and the Giants where Cooper didn't produce huge numbers? Defense gave up 35 points to the Giants and Dak still found a win without 3 starters on the OL and Zeke sitting.

Interesting you bring up last year. For as bad as people say Dak was last year he still finished 4th in QBR and has a better season passing the ball than Ryan and Newton. Not only that Dak is the only QB to ever have 22 passing TDs and 5 rushing TDs in his first 3 seasons. He is also only the 3rd QB ever to have at least 22 passing TDs his first 3 seasons with only Luck and Peyton Manning as the other 2.

 

[Dale]

Foles really needs to weigh in on this. Since he usually does Wentz’s dirty work and all.

 

[black label]

wentz owns ur souls rofl

 

[Nav22]

Yes, he led that team to the best record in the NFL. So that also proves that he can lead a team.
Which is why many would consider him over Dak minus the injuries. They've seen what he can do pre-injury.
You do know you made an compelling argument for my point, right?

LOL

Wentz: 5-6

“Not his fault! So many injuries!”

Foles: 4-1

*Crickets*

Wentz is garbage early in games (Philly was the WORST 1st quarter scoring team in the league)... and late in games.

There’s your 5-6 record.

 

[Nav22]

Numbers don't lie, but people can lie when wrongly interpreting numbers.
For example, Eli Manning has more passing yards than Aaron Rodgers and John Elway. Those are the FACTS of numbers.
But if anyone tries to argue that Eli Manning is a BETTER QUARTERBACK than Rodgers and Elway, I would venture to guess that most serious NFL fans, players and coaches would laugh uproariously at that opinion because they would know based on observation that Eli is not better than either quarterback.
Dak's wins are a product of his health. Wentz hasn't been healthy.
Also, Dak had a superior back in Zeke, a soon-to-be Hall-of-Fame tight end in Witten and a top receiver (his first year) in Dez Bryant and one of the best offensive lines in the league coming into his rookie season.
Wentz did not.
These are the variables you must consider.
Again, I doubt anyone working with the knowledge they have now would pick Dak over Wentz.

“Dak’s wins are a product of his health. Wentz hasn’t been healthy.”

Wentz has more losses than Dak does... 17 to 16... despite playing in 8 fewer games.


Dak: .667 career win pct
Wentz: .575 career win pct