DAL vs. NYG Offensive Weapon Clones

[DragonSoul]

I think you did. I think he meant as far as BP being prepared for the Giants.

That said, Coughlin is part of the Parcells coaching tree. Think about the offensive sets you said you've been running up to this point.



That's a classic BP offense, even if the personnel is different. If you knew anything about the offense that Dallas runs, the Giants are almost a mirror image.


Anyway, to the Zone. Just in case no one else did.

Thanks for the welcome. I know TC comes from the Tunas background. But too me TC is playing too our strengths not too what BP prefers to play.

Right now we have a top flight wr for the first 4 weeks, a very solid number 2 who was practically a lights out 1 wr before last years injury, a top TE, and a top RB that has used a fb on most of his running plays, and to help the oline block if need be. I think TC still needs to get comfortable with our 3rd & 4th wrs. But he does spread the ball out more then i have seen in those bigger 4-5 wr sets.

Also i have seen some of dallas game(s). I watch most of the philly/dallas game between switching to the skins game. But it seemed like you guys have been coming out more in the 3 wr set then previously.,or is it just me?

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Well i guess i was right again. Btw where is Randal right now? I know where Carter is.

Nuff said.

You were right again.

But if you knew who Williams is (getting a shot as a TE in Oakland...you see it takes more than amazing straight line speed to be an NFL receiver), you'd know that our third receiver (Crayton) is at least the equal of yours.

 

[DallasKnight]

Tim Carter, and Taylor. Look them up. Taylor wont be playing, but carter will. I believe carter is even faster then Glenn but bottom line both are speed guys. So i think we are even on the Speed.

You won't compare Eli to Drew, or Witten to Shockey, but you will compare these two nobodys to Glenn? Get real!

 

[DallasKnight]

You want to compare offenses? How can you really do that by quoting your total points? Who have you played? Arizona? Saints? Wasn't the other one St.Loius? All 3 of those are in the bottom 25 in the League. The only decent D you faced, you got your rear ends handed to you.

Keep spouting off, cause come Sunday, you'll have to face the fact that you are just pretenders... still.

 

[VirusX]

I love inspiring a fiery debate

 

[DragonSoul]

You won't compare Eli to Drew, or Witten to Shockey, but you will compare these two nobodys to Glenn? Get real!

Learn 2 read. I was talking about speed, Sheesh what are u all smoking.

& no i wont compare Eli to Drew because i dont think it is right. Drew has proven himself in the NFL and Eli still has that too do, even though he is playing very well in only his 11th game.

 

[DragonSoul]

I love inspiring a fiery debate

not much of a debate but w/1 or 2 guys. Everyone is just jumping the gun w/o reading everything & even usung common sense.

 

[VirusX]

You were right again.

But if you knew who Williams is (getting a shot as a TE in Oakland...you see it takes more than amazing straight line speed to be an NFL receiver), you'd know that our third receiver (Crayton) is at least the equal of yours.

Very true. If speed was all that you needed to compete at the NFL level then we would have had a nice CB in B.J. Tucker..

 

[Bob Sacamano]

look at Witten's play this year, he's actually off to a faster start than he was last year, there is no way you can mention one-hit wonder, and Witten in the same breath, you're crazy, but I'll concede that JJ can't be compared with Tiki, maybe by style only, which I think everyone on here is alluding too

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ok how do you have more offensive power when we are the highest scoring team with an average of 34 pts a game, only 9 pts behind SD in total pts because we had a bye week and SD didnt. So that is just silly, as is your silly we will win, but wait im not sure if we will win because i dont know what team will play that day so hold off on the trash talking lol.

Also offensive lines, are about the same. We have given up 6 sacks, and 2 of those sacks came when our RT had to leave and our Back up RT gave up 2 quick sacks after that he kept up. While in the same amt of games your team gave up 10 sacks. So i guess your inncorrect about that as well eh?

Defense i have posted on in another thread your more then welcome to read about.

Philly came into last Sunday, only giving up 14 points per contest, we put up 33, you haven't done that yet against a quality D, and we have more options in the passing game, and a better Oline than you, only reason our line has give up 10 sacks is because the man behind C, not knocking Bledsoe, but he needs to hold onto the football to pick teams apart, where sacks come from, and against a blitzing Eagle's D, we allowed 0 sacks

 

[JDSmith]

In my estimation Carter is a non factor. I don't care how fast he is, I'll guarantee he's not as fast as Randall Williams was, nor is he as fast as Alexander Wright. Williams was hands down the fastest guy on the team, when we had both Newman, Glenn and Joey Galloway (all very fast guys). Alexander Wright won the NFL's fastest man competition back in the day. Wright was a so so receiver, but nothing to brag about. Nobody even knows who Randall Williams is outside of a handful of Cowboys fans. And both of those guys had, in all likelyhood, better speed than anyone who's currently on the Cowboys or Giants rosters. Speed means very little in the NFL once you get to the 4.5 range. Unless you are Deion fast it's all basically the same. And even if you are Deion fast, if you can't run routes and catch the ball you won't make much of a WR.

I'm sure Carter is fast. I'm not sure he's much of a WR. I base that on his lack of production in the past and this year. I'm assuming he's healthy this year, but with only 3 catches it's hard to tell. So, for me at least, this speed debate is pointless. Carter is as fast or faster than Glenn. Carter is not remotely the same receiving threat that Glenn is. To compare one aspect of their games is a bit silly, since they'll likely have a vastly different impact on the game.

 

[jay cee]

Those statements are too blanketet. I will give you my pt of view.
First your argument is flawed if you think you can even compare JJ to Tiki. JJ as you mentioned has only 13 total games. Just like Eli, do you think its reasonable to compare Eli to Peyton after 11 games? I mean Eli has the 4th best Passer rating, more TDS and less Ints then Peyton this year? IMHO that is silly and crazy, and i am a giants fan obviously. JJ has potential but he didnt even hit the 1k mark last year. He missed half of last season and is about to miss the game against the giants.

Again most Anaylsts will not compare a player to another with in only 1 year of solid numbers. Shockey missed about as many as JJ missed in his 2nd year, but the funny thing is. Shockey still finished top 1-5 in multiple stats for TEs i dont think you can say the same for JJ as a RB. Again I also believe witten is for real, but you cant put him on a pedestal after one year, thats why the call ppl one hit wonders.

Also the reason why plax was so successful is because of his height, he could go after the ball, people where knocking him because of his YAC even though his YAC is pretty good.

I dont think your wrong with thinking JJ and Witten will be special, atleast you can hope for it, as i do with Eli, Gibril, Jacobs and afew others, but you cannot compare them to the main stays based off of a season give or take. Im not trying to knock your guys down just saying it the way i see it, and i do the same with my team.

IMO, he was comparing their style of play. Not their production. He said that the Cowboys and Giants had many similar key players.

It's not that crucial, you don't need 5-10 years of game film to determine if players have similarities.

 

[jay cee]

not much of a debate but w/1 or 2 guys. Everyone is just jumping the gun w/o reading everything & even usung common sense.

Well jumping the gun is exactly what you did with that diatribe about not comparing players.

When the original poster was comparing the similarity in the players measurements and styles, not their production.

And that's not such a huge stretch, when you realize the relationship between the two headcoaches. Which I had never really paid attention to before now.

 

[JDSmith]

Well jumping the gun is exactly what you did with that diatribe about not comparing players.

When the original poster was comparing the similarity in the players measurements and styles, not their production.

And that's not such a huge stretch, when you realize the relationship between the two headcoaches. Which I had never really paid attention to before now.

When Parcells took over here he had Coughlin in camp helping him evaluate talent. He also offered him a job if he wanted one, saying to the media that as long as he's a head coach Coughlin will always have a job if he wants it. But TC declined because he wanted to take some time off to wait for another HC job to open up.

 

[Trip]

the similarities end defensively, though.

While the Cowboys secondary had it's moments versus the 49ers and the end of the Washington game, it's still a very good group and has generally played well. Man to man coverage versus the Eagles receivers all game - and shutting them down - with McNabb... it's hard to say the Cowboys don't have a pretty good secondary.

Giants secondary has been pretty bad and I think this will be the difference in the game. With the adjustments they have to make to keep the passing game under control, the Cowboys should be able to really get the running game going.

I think this one should resemble more of a Parcells-type game.

 

[DallasKnight]

You want to compare speed, fine. How about we compare their catches and catching ability? No comparison.

 

[DragonSoul]

In my estimation Carter is a non factor. I don't care how fast he is, I'll guarantee he's not as fast as Randall Williams was, nor is he as fast as Alexander Wright. Williams was hands down the fastest guy on the team, when we had both Newman, Glenn and Joey Galloway (all very fast guys). Alexander Wright won the NFL's fastest man competition back in the day. Wright was a so so receiver, but nothing to brag about. Nobody even knows who Randall Williams is outside of a handful of Cowboys fans. And both of those guys had, in all likelyhood, better speed than anyone who's currently on the Cowboys or Giants rosters. Speed means very little in the NFL once you get to the 4.5 range. Unless you are Deion fast it's all basically the same. And even if you are Deion fast, if you can't run routes and catch the ball you won't make much of a WR.

I'm sure Carter is fast. I'm not sure he's much of a WR. I base that on his lack of production in the past and this year. I'm assuming he's healthy this year, but with only 3 catches it's hard to tell. So, for me at least, this speed debate is pointless. Carter is as fast or faster than Glenn. Carter is not remotely the same receiving threat that Glenn is. To compare one aspect of their games is a bit silly, since they'll likely have a vastly different impact on the game.

I dont know anything about those guys u mentioned no doubt. My pts is this. If we usually take a shot it goes to carter because of the speed. As with glenn, and moss on the skins you have your main guy that you prefer too go for the deep ball.

I agree speed doesnt mean much if they cant catch or run routes. That was never carters problem, his problem as mentioned before he couldnt stay on the field. He was nicked up in pre-season so he lost his 3rd spot as a wr and got too 4th, he just won back the 3rd wr spot. I am not comparing what Glenn has done as a wr vs Carter because there is no comparison, i was referring to what they mean to there teams in a sense.

Of course carter wont have the same meaning to his team when he was a 4th and glenn is a 1/2 wr for your team.

 

[DragonSoul]

You want to compare speed, fine. How about we compare their catches and catching ability? No comparison.

Ummm i already said that u cant compare Carter to any of ur 2 main guys. Again read what i wrote. Burress and Toomer is a diff. story those stats you can look up yourself.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

I don't think the Giants and Cowboys offenses are simliar at all. I'd play both completely different ways. The only similarity is that they both have plenty of weapons all over the field and can score a ton of points if everything is clicking. Shockey and Witten are not similar tight ends, Barber and Julius are not similar backs, Plaxico and Keyshawn are different receivers, Eli is a better athlete than Drew, the Cowboys have a much better offensive line......

 

[DragonSoul]

the similarities end defensively, though.

While the Cowboys secondary had it's moments versus the 49ers and the end of the Washington game, it's still a very good group and has generally played well. Man to man coverage versus the Eagles receivers all game - and shutting them down - with McNabb... it's hard to say the Cowboys don't have a pretty good secondary.

Giants secondary has been pretty bad and I think this will be the difference in the game. With the adjustments they have to make to keep the passing game under control, the Cowboys should be able to really get the running game going.

I think this one should resemble more of a Parcells-type game.

That i kind of disagree with for a couple reasons. One is because SF, Skins (even though only 2 plays but 2 that cost you the game), and even Oak got deep on you. Ok the eagles didnt, and then SD put up over 20 pts on you, that game i didnt see, but so far the trend is pts are put on your team and quite a few deep balls. Now maybe the eagles game was your turning point, but i have too see it again, right now i lean towards your secondary isnt playing as well.

Now our team is getting up on teams early, so once we do that our team plays more prevent, so we dont give up the big play (biggest play we have given up is 31 yds), and wait for the mistakes to come, which in turn runs the clock down. So when teams are beind us the teams have ave 46.5 attempts on our team. Even with an average QB they usually get 7 yards per attempt. So we are right around where we would be for giving up yds.

So it really isnt so black and white as you may think it is. But again we will find out in 2-3 weeks about both teams. I know we will test u deep. So we shall see.