Dallas Cowboys fans are so spoiled

[Hostile]

So we were 3 PPG worse than 9th in the league? 9th is not elite. lol.

What the hell kind of an argument is that?

We were not an elite offensive team last year and there is no reason to believe that we will be this year. However, as I said before, we have an above average offense and a potentially great defense. That might be enough.

Do you consider yardage an indicator of the power of an Offense's potential? If not you probably should because it matters a great deal.

Only one team put up more yardage then the Cowboys in 2009, That was the Saints, by a mere 71 yards.

Dallas problem was that they stalled on too many scoring opportunities. Much of that was related to the Kicking problems. In addition to 11 missed FGs Dallas went for it on a number of occasions when they normally would have attempted the FG.

I forget who I was talking to about this, but I asked how many points Dallas left on the field in 2009, and he said it could be as much as 60 points. You add that to the 361 we did score and 421 points is just above the Colts and I think you can say they are an elite Offense.

It has to improve in 2010. No doubt. Don't forget as well that New Orleans scored 7 TDs on Defense last year. That is 49 points if you add the PATs. In other words, yes, the potential is already there to consider Dallas an elite Offense, but it falls on them to score TDs and not have kicking woes in 2010.

 

[The30YardSlant]

So we were 3 PPG worse than 9th in the league? 9th is not elite. lol.

What the hell kind of an argument is that?

We were not an elite offensive team last year and there is no reason to believe that we will be this year. However, as I said before, we have an above average offense and a potentially great defense. That might be enough.

I don't know what stats you're looking at, but you havent been right once thus far

 

[jswalker1981]

Our defense will have to carry this team if we are going to go to a superbowl. Our offense is above average, but that is all. Phillips was not going to make us a great offense. We do however have a chance to be a great defensive team.

Hey look! A spoiled fan!

 

[windjc]

Do you consider yardage an indicator of the power of an Offense's potential? If not you probably should because it matters a great deal.

Only one team put up more yardage then the Cowboys in 2009, That was the Saints, by a mere 71 yards.

Dallas problem was that they stalled on too many scoring opportunities. Much of that was related to the Kicking problems. In addition to 11 missed FGs Dallas went for it on a number of occasions when they normally would have attempted the FG.

I forget who I was talking to about this, but I asked how many points Dallas left on the field in 2009, and he said it could be as much as 60 points. You add that to the 361 we did score and 421 points is just above the Colts and I think you can say they are an elite Offense.

It has to improve in 2010. No doubt. Don't forget as well that New Orleans scored 7 TDs on Defense last year. That is 49 points if you add the PATs. In other words, yes, the potential is already there to consider Dallas an elite Offense, but it falls on them to score TDs and not have kicking woes in 2010.

Let me get more specific then.

In my opinion a dominating defense does the following:
Top 3 in PPG.
Top 10 in defensive scoring
Top 5 in sacks
Top 5 in turnovers
Top 10 in YPG

I think our defense has a decent shot at doing all of those.


In my opinion a dominating offense does the following:
Top 3 in PPG
Top 10 in fewest sacks allowed
Top 10 in fewest turnovers
Top 5 in YPG
Top 10 in time of possession
Top 10 in fewest penalties
Top 5 in red zone efficiency
Top 5 in 4th quarter time of possession.

I think our offense does not have a decent shot at reaching this level.

I guess this is blasphamy on these boards.

 

[Hostile]

Let me get more specific then.

In my opinion a dominating defense does the following:
Top 3 in PPG.
Top 10 in defensive scoring
Top 5 in sacks
Top 5 in turnovers
Top 10 in YPG

I think our defense has a decent shot at doing all of those.


In my opinion a dominating offense does the following:
Top 3 in PPG
Top 10 in fewest sacks allowed
Top 10 in fewest turnovers
Top 5 in YPG
Top 10 in time of possession
Top 10 in fewest penalties
Top 5 in red zone efficiency
Top 5 in 4th quarter time of possession.

I think our offense does not have a decent shot at reaching this level.

I guess this is blasphamy on these boards.

Why are you getting so defensive? Give me a good reason for it, because for the life of me I do not see where I accused you of any such nonsense and frankly neither did anyone else.

If you want me to react as rude as you are acting just say the word, but I warn you ahead of time, you're not a good enough debater to play that game with me. I merely brought up a different view to the topic. That happens on forums. Get used to it, or if that upsets you then don't respond. Heaven knows plenty of people will disagree with just about every topic. FYI, that's a good thing.

I will tell you this based upon your criteria above and you can look it up for yourself. Based on that criteria above there are not any teams who qualify.

For instance let's take the top 3 teams in points allowed for Defense.

New York Jets
Dallas Cowboys
Baltimore Ravens

Only the Jets were in the top 10 in Defensive scoring. So we have eliminated 31 teams in a mere 2 categories. They are not top 5 in Turnovers, nor are they top 5 in sacks.

Therefore by your definition, there was no elite Defense in 2009. Ridiculous.

Now let's do the same for Offense.

Saints, Vikings, & Packers were the top 3 scoring teams.

The Packers fall by the wayside as top 5 in yardage. I didn't even have to get to sacks allowed which would have killed them.

The Saints leave the equation in top 10 in fewest turnovers. If you don't think the Saints Offense was elite then think again. That's silly.

But now only the Vikings are left. Can we eliminate them? Of course we can.

 

[JustDezIt]

I don't know what stats you're looking at, but you havent been right once thus far

Long time no see. Been so long i cant remember. But welcome back nonetheless.

 

[TonyRomo09]

silly troll is silly.

 

[windjc]

Why are you getting so defensive? Give me a good reason for it, because for the life of me I do not see where I accused you of any such nonsense and frankly neither did anyone else.

If you want me to react as rude as you are acting just say the word, but I warn you ahead of time, you're not a good enough debater to play that game with me. I merely brought up a different view to the topic. That happens on forums. Get used to it, or if that upsets you then don't respond. Heaven knows plenty of people will disagree with just about every topic. FYI, that's a good thing.

I will tell you this based upon your criteria above and you can look it up for yourself. Based on that criteria above there are not any teams who qualify.

For instance let's take the top 3 teams in points allowed for Defense.

New York Jets
Dallas Cowboys
Baltimore Ravens

Only the Jets were in the top 10 in Defensive scoring. So we have eliminated 31 teams in a mere 2 categories. They are not top 5 in Turnovers, nor are they top 5 in sacks.

Therefore by your definition, there was no elite Defense in 2009. Ridiculous.

Now let's do the same for Offense.

Saints, Vikings, & Packers were the top 3 scoring teams.

The Packers fall by the wayside as top 5 in yardage. I didn't even have to get to sacks allowed which would have killed them.

The Saints leave the equation in top 10 in fewest turnovers. If you don't think the Saints Offense was elite then think again. That's silly.

But now only the Vikings are left. Can we eliminate them? Of course we can.

Dude you just went and lost your mind. I wasn't referring to you specifically. But you don't acknowledge the multiple posts that call me a "troll". I say that our offense is not elite. And people attack me. That's fine.

Its a little like being in church and saying the cross looks a bit off. So blasphamy was an analogy.

I don't think our offense is as talented as our defense.

I could certainly match you toe to toe if I wanted to take the time to pull all the stats to refine an argument based on those. So don't try to pull out your E-sword and threaten me with how huge it is.

Again, I believe our defense will most likely outperform our offense and that if we make a SB run it will be because of this.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

This is what I came up with for points the Dallas offense left on the field. I consider any penetration inside the 30 yard line worth three points since a 47 yard field goal is something a pro should be hitting.

If the offense has first and goal, that should be worth 7. A field goal in that case is four points left on the field.

Any end of the game possession within the 30 is 3 points lost, any EOG possession with the 10 worth 7.

Here we go:

Tampa Bay: 7 total
4: inside the 10, ended up with a field goal.
3: End of the game on the TBay 26.

NYG, none

Carolina: 11 points
3: Missed field goal
4: Down to their 1
4: Again, down to their 1

Denver: 10 total
3: interception on 3rd down on Denver 17
7: You know the series and how it ended on our last possession

Kansas City: 11 points
3: Missed FG from 40 yards
4: 1st and goal at the 8
4: 1st and goal at the 9

Atlanta: 3 points
3: end of game on the Atlanta 30

Seattle: 3 points
3: Missed Field Goal

Philly: 4 points
4: 1st and goal at the 4

Green Bay: 13 points
3: Missed FG
3: Roy Williams Fumble on his catch was at the 30 of GB
7: 1st and goal on the 1 yard line, interception

Washington: 6 points
3: Fumble inside the red zone
3: Missed field goal
Here is another dicey one though. We get the ball back on Washington's 37 and just try to run out the clock. If we needed 3 points, we probably could get the 7 yards to try, but I'm not going to include that here.

Oakland: 6 points
3: 1st and 10 at the 27, end up punting from the 41
3: Missed Field Goal

NYG: 10 points
4: 1st and goal at the 9
3: 57 yard field goal attempt no good.
3: Missed field goal.

San Diego: 10 points
7: 1st and goal from the 4, went for it on 4th down
3: Missed Field Goal

("Believe" movement starts.)

New Orleans: 3 points
3: Missed field goal

Washington: 3 points
3: went for it on 4th down from the 30 yard line

Philly: 10 Points
7: 1st and goal at the 9, interception
3: Missed field goal


Total points left on the field: 100.

Not necessarily realistic considering we were stopped by good defense on a few of them. I just set up my scan through the games on a perfect world scenario of a 1st and goal being worth 7 regardless of the outcome. Anything inside the 30 should be worth 3 points, regardless if you threw the interception or what have you.

 

[CCBoy]

I don't know what stats you're looking at, but you havent been right once thus far

Nice to have another Aggie back....as you know how many Aggies it takes to get something 'right.' And you know what math is, it's just logic that adds up!:starspin

 

[CCBoy]

This is what I came up with for points the Dallas offense left on the field. I consider any penetration inside the 30 yard line worth three points since a 47 yard field goal is something a pro should be hitting.

If the offense has first and goal, that should be worth 7. A field goal in that case is four points left on the field.

Any end of the game possession within the 30 is 3 points lost, any EOG possession with the 10 worth 7.

Here we go:

Tampa Bay: 7 total
4: inside the 10, ended up with a field goal.
3: End of the game on the TBay 26.

NYG, none

Carolina: 11 points
3: Missed field goal
4: Down to their 1
4: Again, down to their 1

Denver: 10 total
3: interception on 3rd down on Denver 17
7: You know the series and how it ended on our last possession

Kansas City: 11 points
3: Missed FG from 40 yards
4: 1st and goal at the 8
4: 1st and goal at the 9

Atlanta: 3 points
3: end of game on the Atlanta 30

Seattle: 3 points
3: Missed Field Goal

Philly: 4 points
4: 1st and goal at the 4

Green Bay: 13 points
3: Missed FG
3: Roy Williams Fumble on his catch was at the 30 of GB
7: 1st and goal on the 1 yard line, interception

Washington: 6 points
3: Fumble inside the red zone
3: Missed field goal
Here is another dicey one though. We get the ball back on Washington's 37 and just try to run out the clock. If we needed 3 points, we probably could get the 7 yards to try, but I'm not going to include that here.

Oakland: 6 points
3: 1st and 10 at the 27, end up punting from the 41
3: Missed Field Goal

NYG: 10 points
4: 1st and goal at the 9
3: 57 yard field goal attempt no good.
3: Missed field goal.

San Diego: 10 points
7: 1st and goal from the 4, went for it on 4th down
3: Missed Field Goal

("Believe" movement starts.)

New Orleans: 3 points
3: Missed field goal

Washington: 3 points
3: went for it on 4th down from the 30 yard line

Philly: 10 Points
7: 1st and goal at the 9, interception
3: Missed field goal


Total points left on the field: 100.

Not necessarily realistic considering we were stopped by good defense on a few of them. I just set up my scan through the games on a perfect world scenario of a 1st and goal being worth 7 regardless of the outcome. Anything inside the 30 should be worth 3 points, regardless if you threw the interception or what have you.

Morning, Salty...hope you've had your coffee.

Good stuff, and it falls into the category of a Parcells' boiled down principal for winning. Controlling the clock; controlling field positioning; and scoring when you have a chance. Lol.:starspin

 

[Hostile]

Dude you just went and lost your mind. I wasn't referring to you specifically. But you don't acknowledge the multiple posts that call me a "troll". I say that our offense is not elite. And people attack me. That's fine.

I have a big time problem with anyone who gets called a name, doesn't report being called a name by using the report function built in here, then publicly complains about being called names.

I didn't call you any names. I wasn't involved in your previous pissing matches. I merely said one small thing and you went ape. Get over it.

Its a little like being in church and saying the cross looks a bit off. So blasphamy was an analogy.

A bad one.

I don't think our offense is as talented as our defense.

I wasn't arguing that with you. I said that yards gained per season is a factor in determining an Offense's potential. We left too many points on the field, but no one can deny this Offense moved the football down the field better than every team except one.

I could certainly match you toe to toe if I wanted to take the time to pull all the stats to refine an argument based on those. So don't try to pull out your E-sword and threaten me with how huge it is.

LOL

Take your time and give it your best shot.

Again, I believe our defense will most likely outperform our offense and that if we make a SB run it will be because of this.

Again, I wasn't saying anything about our Defense.

 

[nathanlt]

Another reason we are spoiled. We now fight over whether our offense is just elite or just plain old good.