Dallas Cowboys Film Session - Adjustments Made vs The Falcons

marchetta said:


Nice analysis and points made.
Click to expand...

when he points out the play Hitchens makes @16:28
forget Hitchens
watch Irving
he oles the tackle and puts him on his face, 1 arm stiffs the fullback plants him in the ground and stops the rb in his tracks tfl
that is one of the best plays ive seen at 3tech in a long time

thats why they tolerate David Irving
because when he plays, magic happens
 
Pretty good commentary on adjustments however some adjustments are made.
 
marchetta said:


Nice analysis and points made.
Click to expand...


That is complete nonsense.

He just makes things up as he goes.

He jibber-jabbers about how it's impossible to help Chaz Green schematically but then he loves a big play to Brice Butler when they helped Chaz Green schematically.

The play starting at about 13:38 is the big gain to Butler. They had Witten help Green just enough.

Then he goes on about how you can't do that because it slows Witten down too much.

Did he forget that the result of the play was a big gain to Butler? Witten's role after the little help block was to occupy the one defender that covered him.

He had told us previously that the extra defender that would normally cover the help blocker, would then blitz. Obviously he didn't blitz because he covered the help blocker Witten.

In his early comments he says they can't make any adjustment because the defense will adapt. In reality a great offensive coaching staff would not make the same adjustment on every snap.

There were a large number of things they could have done. Just lining a TE up next to Green changes the angles for the pass rusher even if the TE does not tough him and runs a route. The pass rusher either moves in tighter to be just barely on Green's outside should which we saw that Green can handle OR the pass rusher aligns outside the TE. If outside the TE the pass rusher has to rush at a slightly different angle than his normal wide alignment; otherwise he runs into the TE off the snap. The OT Green gets a split second extra AND there is no chance the pass rusher will try an inside move when aligned outside the TE.
 
xwalker said:
That is complete nonsense.

He just makes things up as he goes.

He jibber-jabbers about how it's impossible to help Chaz Green schematically but then he loves a big play to Brice Butler when they helped Chaz Green schematically.

The play starting at about 13:38 is the big gain to Butler. They had Witten help Green just enough.

Then he goes on about how you can't do that because it slows Witten down too much.

Did he forget that the result of the play was a big gain to Butler? Witten's role after the little help block was to occupy the one defender that covered him.

He had told us previously that the extra defender that would normally cover the help blocker, would then blitz. Obviously he didn't blitz because he covered the help blocker Witten.

In his early comments he says they can't make any adjustment because the defense will adapt. In reality a great offensive coaching staff would not make the same adjustment on every snap.

There were a large number of things they could have done. Just lining a TE up next to Green changes the angles for the pass rusher even if the TE does not tough him and runs a route. The pass rusher either moves in tighter to be just barely on Green's outside should which we saw that Green can handle OR the pass rusher aligns outside the TE. If outside the TE the pass rusher has to rush at a slightly different angle than his normal wide alignment; otherwise he runs into the TE off the snap. The OT Green gets a split second extra AND there is no chance the pass rusher will try an inside move when aligned outside the TE.
Click to expand...
Agree completely!!! This is COMPLETE nonsense. Helping a struggling OT is not Rocket Science. Yes, Garrett and Linehan attempted to help Green a small percentage of the game, but not nearly enough. Also, just because the TE or RB are chipping at the start of the play does not mean they are no longer a receiving threat. The defense still has to account for them. The logic, we need all our receivers out in the pattern to be an effective offense so we don’t want to chip, is idiotic. If you don’t chip you don’t have any offense anyway. Dak getting killed throughout the game was ALL on Garrett and Linehan because they were to stupid to give Green enough help. Worst coaching I saw all year. Both should have been fired after the game!!
 
xwalker said:
That is complete nonsense.

He just makes things up as he goes.

He jibber-jabbers about how it's impossible to help Chaz Green schematically but then he loves a big play to Brice Butler when they helped Chaz Green schematically.

The play starting at about 13:38 is the big gain to Butler. They had Witten help Green just enough.

Then he goes on about how you can't do that because it slows Witten down too much.

Did he forget that the result of the play was a big gain to Butler? Witten's role after the little help block was to occupy the one defender that covered him.

He had told us previously that the extra defender that would normally cover the help blocker, would then blitz. Obviously he didn't blitz because he covered the help blocker Witten.

In his early comments he says they can't make any adjustment because the defense will adapt. In reality a great offensive coaching staff would not make the same adjustment on every snap.

There were a large number of things they could have done. Just lining a TE up next to Green changes the angles for the pass rusher even if the TE does not tough him and runs a route. The pass rusher either moves in tighter to be just barely on Green's outside should which we saw that Green can handle OR the pass rusher aligns outside the TE. If outside the TE the pass rusher has to rush at a slightly different angle than his normal wide alignment; otherwise he runs into the TE off the snap. The OT Green gets a split second extra AND there is no chance the pass rusher will try an inside move when aligned outside the TE.
Click to expand...


X have one question, have you coached football? And at what level?

You don't just line players up anywhere without changing the scheme and creating issues other places, like changing the protection for the lineman to start, you also have a young Qb, now he has to adjust, the rb has to adjust and you're doing this on the fly with no practice. They gave him help, but they also didn't want to completely scrap the scheme entirely that they practice.
 
Last edited:
Dre11 said:
X have one question, have you coached football? And at what level?

You don't just line players up anywhere without changing the scheme and creating issues other places, like changing the protection for the lineman to start, you also have a young Qb, now he has to adjust, the rb has to adjust and you're doing this on the fly with no practice. They gave him help, but they also didn't want to completely scrap the scheme entirely that they practice.
Click to expand...

There are multiple things that they've done in the past with the same OC and most don't change the thought process for the QB to change.

As I said, the easiest thing is lining the TE up next to Green. It forces the DE to change angles even if the TE does not block.

More running right at the DE would help. Run just inside Green. Any time the DE jumps too much outside, they can gash them with the run at that spot. The DE will stop jump outside or lining up wide.

I'm somewhat a fan of Linehan. I think the Green issue had some to do with coordination between Linehan, Pollack the OL coach and Garrett.

They made more changes this offseason than have been widely publicized. Linehan has more control. He wanted Pollack and Dooley gone and they're gone. He wanted Lal and he's here. He wanted the OL coach Alexander and he's here. He wanted Dez gone and he's gone. He wanted Witten to play less than 100% of the snaps which had been forced on to Linehan by Garrett.

Stephen Jones even said on local sports talk radio that they we're going to give Linehan "Full Control". He even referenced an example of how in retrospect it was unfair to Callahan that year he was the play caller but didn't have normal OC type control of surrounding issues (personnel, etc..).

The scuttlebutt by local media is that Stephen Jones really likes Linehan and want's Garrett to have the same limited input to offense that he has to defense.

Don't be shocked if Linehan replaces Garrett at some point as the HC. If the Offense plays reasonably well but they don't advance in the playoffs, it's likely Stephen pushes Garrett out; although, Garrett has a year remaining on his contract after this season, IIRC, and Stephen does not like spending money (Garrett gets paid regardless).
 
The real truth or blame here should be on the person that reached for this player at 3 in 2015, and the person who ignored the standard of demanding Green earn the job..

Last Linehan should have known well before then tht Green would need help.He was crap playing guard for three games well before then..

Garrett deserves some blame for not managing that situation better no question...

It is the reason why Im pointing to the source..And the reason why the oline deficiencies were the first thing resolved in FA, and the 2nd in this years draft..The source was the reason this became an issue and why they were put in that position..
 
xwalker said:
There are multiple things that they've done in the past with the same OC and most don't change the thought process for the QB to change.

As I said, the easiest thing is lining the TE up next to Green. It forces the DE to change angles even if the TE does not block.

More running right at the DE would help. Run just inside Green. Any time the DE jumps too much outside, they can gash them with the run at that spot. The DE will stop jump outside or lining up wide.

I'm somewhat a fan of Linehan. I think the Green issue had some to do with coordination between Linehan, Pollack the OL coach and Garrett.

They made more changes this offseason than have been widely publicized. Linehan has more control. He wanted Pollack and Dooley gone and they're gone. He wanted Lal and he's here. He wanted the OL coach Alexander and he's here. He wanted Dez gone and he's gone. He wanted Witten to play less than 100% of the snaps which had been forced on to Linehan by Garrett.

Stephen Jones even said on local sports talk radio that they we're going to give Linehan "Full Control". He even referenced an example of how in retrospect it was unfair to Callahan that year he was the play caller but didn't have normal OC type control of surrounding issues (personnel, etc..).

The scuttlebutt by local media is that Stephen Jones really likes Linehan and want's Garrett to have the same limited input to offense that he has to defense.

Don't be shocked if Linehan replaces Garrett at some point as the HC. If the Offense plays reasonably well but they don't advance in the playoffs, it's likely Stephen pushes Garrett out; although, Garrett has a year remaining on his contract after this season, IIRC, and Stephen does not like spending money (Garrett gets paid regardless).
Click to expand...

LINEHAN will go either at the same time or before Garrett, however JJ knows that he has the best option at HC due the way he has backed himself in the corner with coaches in the past..As far as Stephen goes, i hold him responsible for failures by the Cowboys in getting vet backup qb play, and Chaz Green.. So Dont think Stephen has clean hands either!
 
Before we forget how all of this happened we need to remember a few things..

LEARY leaving the Cowboys was a known issue in 2015..The Cowboys were not going to resign him because of a reoccurring knee issue..that was degenerative...

The Cowboys were caught flat footed when Free retired..Not sure why..

LaEl Collins was a complete fall in..Meaning if he had been able to enter the draft, Dallas would have not had much chance to sign him..

So knowing that Leary was not going to be resigned, Dallas fooled around till this year to draft a guard..

As well as Dallas has drafted over the last five years this hole is just plain negligent oversight by the GM Personnel..
 
I have went back and watched every sack in the Atlanta game. 2 of them were on Dak, one was outside the pocket and he could have easily thrown the ball away and got tackled in the open field. The other was the final strip sack with Bell in. He should have slid up an to the right in the pocket but since he has no pocket awareness, he started his 2.5 minute windup he has. The others were on the player, especially the first one, he just didn't out of his stance and the DE ran right by him. There was another one where it appeared that that OL slid his way but again, Green didn't get out of his stance in time and was not able to get out wide and force the DE inside where his help was.

I know people want blood over that game and its by the biggest excuse people give Dak for his lack luster performance last year but players have bad games, coaches have bad games, it happens. Did everyone want Jimmy fired when Aikman got sacked 11 times in a game?
 
I think you are forgetting the pressure on Dak was on the first 8 games..The Cowboys had effectively two players new on the oline..You are focused on the Atlanta game..This issue didnt start there, it blew up there..
 
If you really want to analyze last season find tape on green by ****NOT-AN-OFFICIAL-SOURCE*** where they analyze Green at the first of the season...It was tough to find but when I did..It was real easy to name the pain..
 
Cowboy4ever said:
I have went back and watched every sack in the Atlanta game. 2 of them were on Dak, one was outside the pocket and he could have easily thrown the ball away and got tackled in the open field. The other was the final strip sack with Bell in. He should have slid up an to the right in the pocket but since he has no pocket awareness, he started his 2.5 minute windup he has. The others were on the player, especially the first one, he just didn't out of his stance and the DE ran right by him. There was another one where it appeared that that OL slid his way but again, Green didn't get out of his stance in time and was not able to get out wide and force the DE inside where his help was.

I know people want blood over that game and its by the biggest excuse people give Dak for his lack luster performance last year but players have bad games, coaches have bad games, it happens. Did everyone want Jimmy fired when Aikman got sacked 11 times in a game?
Click to expand...

Last season hurts but the thing you need to accept is that Dallas is not ready to compete for a SB..Dallas blew that when they didnt reinstall Romo back after he returned from his injury..

Honestly the fact Dak has led Dallas to a 22-10 Record in that time frame speaks to the overall job that the coaches have done..

SURE im dissappointed at the prospect we wasted the opportunity, but rookie qbs have never taken their team to the sb, and last year there were way too many problems with the oline, and the secondary, and the lbrs to even get into the playoffs..

Are you upset because Dak didnt play well, or are you upset because you expected too much?
 
xwalker said:
That is complete nonsense.

He just makes things up as he goes.

He jibber-jabbers about how it's impossible to help Chaz Green schematically but then he loves a big play to Brice Butler when they helped Chaz Green schematically.

The play starting at about 13:38 is the big gain to Butler. They had Witten help Green just enough.

Then he goes on about how you can't do that because it slows Witten down too much.

Did he forget that the result of the play was a big gain to Butler? Witten's role after the little help block was to occupy the one defender that covered him.

He had told us previously that the extra defender that would normally cover the help blocker, would then blitz. Obviously he didn't blitz because he covered the help blocker Witten.

In his early comments he says they can't make any adjustment because the defense will adapt. In reality a great offensive coaching staff would not make the same adjustment on every snap.

There were a large number of things they could have done. Just lining a TE up next to Green changes the angles for the pass rusher even if the TE does not tough him and runs a route. The pass rusher either moves in tighter to be just barely on Green's outside should which we saw that Green can handle OR the pass rusher aligns outside the TE. If outside the TE the pass rusher has to rush at a slightly different angle than his normal wide alignment; otherwise he runs into the TE off the snap. The OT Green gets a split second extra AND there is no chance the pass rusher will try an inside move when aligned outside the TE.
Click to expand...

He could have ended the video about halfway through but it wasn't complete nonsense. They helped Green with backs and TE lined up in various formations with the OG sitting in to help inside.

His point about Witten was about lining him in the backfield as opposed to on the los. Witten having lost a step made lining him up 5 yards back a bad idea.

And I have no idea why you bolded same when his whole premise was the 3 different ways the team helped Green.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Members online

... and 100 more.
Total: 9,095 (members: 200, guests: 8,895)
Robots: 1,524

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
474,629
Messages
14,548,767
Members
24,212
Latest member
JerryJonesSupporter
Back
Top