CFZ Dallas Cowboys Offense True Ranking

[plasticman]

It is true that the Cowboys are listed as #4 in scoring so far this season. However, this is not exclusively an offensive statistic. As we are all aware, there are other methods of scoring that involve the defense or the special teams. So, who should get credit for what and how does this compare to other teams in the league?

The offense gets credit for offensive TD's, field goals, and all extra points whether one point or two.

The special teams get credit for Kickoff and punt return TD's or any block returned for a TD during a kick, field goal or punt.

The defense gets credit for any INT or fumble returned for a TD plus any safeties.

The Cowboys, so far, have scored 124 points. The NFL rank is #4. However, the defense has scored 18 points and the special teams 6 points. These 24 points in combined defense and special teams scoring is ranked #1 in the NFL. When you subtract the defensive TD's, safeties and special team scores from each team and re-rank them according to offensive scoring only, the Cowboys drop significantly to #10.

The Cowboys are also tied for #1 in scoring from the kicking team. They have scored 48 points from combined extra points and field goals. When you subtract this number from the offense you are left only with the points from TD's and 2 point plays. The Cowboys offense has scored 8 TD's and have made two 2-point plays for a total of 52 points. When all teams are ranked this way then the Cowboys offense falls to #18.

This is not even taking into consideration, the excellent field position gifted by the defense due to turnovers. This may be a situation where the Cowboys ranking in yardage is a more realistic indicator of where this offense is in relation to the other 31 teams in the league.

There is good news. the numbers achieved by the Cowboys offense has been under difficult circumstances. When you replace three Pro Bowl level O-linemen with a couple of undrafted rookie free agents and a journeyman with 15 starts, then it is unrealistic to expect an offense close to its previous productivity. As this veteran offensive line comes together I think we can expect a drastic improvement. Even as the team is currently ranked #4, I see rapid progress and I hope that begins Sunday night.

The Cowboys cannot depend on defensive scoring.

Ranking based off offensive points only

Team Pts Def Offense
1 MIA 150 0 150
2 BUF 139 6 133
3 SFO 125 0 125
4 CHI 115 0 115
5 LAC 110 0 110
6 PHI 118 8 108
7 WAS 109 6 103
8 KAN 101 0 101
9 DAL 124 24 100
10 DET 106 6 100
11 SEA 111 12 99
12 LAR 98 0 98
13 BAL 99 2 95
14 GNB 100 6 94
15 IND 97 6 91
16 HOU 96 6 90
17 DEN 100 12 88
18 MIN 90 6 84
19 ARI 88 6 82
20 TAM 84 6 78
21 CLE 76 0 76
22 JAX 80 6 74
23 TEN 72 0 72
24 ATL 62 0 62
25 LVR 62 0 62
26 CAR 67 6 61
27 NOR 62 6 56
28 NYJ 62 8 52
29 NWE 55 2 51
30 PIT 62 12 50
31 CIN 49 6 43

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

Half of those points are field goals. What a modern day tragedy.

 

[Verdict]

On the other hand when the defense scores it eliminates one offensive possession. So that takes away a scoring opportunity.

I’ll take defensive scores all day long, regardless of how it skews the statistics.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

When all teams are ranked this way then the Cowboys offense falls to #18.

Field goals are included as part of the calculation for scoring offense. You can’t just take them out of the equation.

Dallas has never had issues in the redzone over Dak’s whole career and I imagine the law of averages will likely come into play here over the next few weeks.

 

[DogFace]

Top 10 isn’t bad considering we moved to a slightly more conservative offense. Plus we’ve let up in a couple of those blowouts and likely could’ve scored again had we needed to.

 

[DuncanIso]

Our offense is Basic.

We are gonna see a lot of cover 2.

 

[Zman5]

Did you include the points for Chicago and Washington from Thursday game?

 

[Qcard]

Half of those points are field goals. What a modern day tragedy.

Thank goodness Aubrey is only outpacing Moody by 7pts and neither have kick a FG inside the Red Zone Splits....

This modern game is a reflection of Society

 

[Typhus]

Thank goodness Aubrey is only outpacing Moody by 7pts and neither have kick a FG inside the Red Zone Splits....

This modern game is a reflection of Society

It's too much to think about when I'm trying to just watch the game, and kickers just suck in general.
Go sit at the end of the bench, don't talk to anyone, and kick the ball through the uprights when you are needed.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Half of those points are field goals. What a modern day tragedy.

Field goal fest 2023

 

[noshame]

KM sucks doesn't he?

 

[Typhus]

KM sucks doesn't he?

Yes he does

 

[CowboyoWales]

It is true that the Cowboys are listed as #4 in scoring so far this season. However, this is not exclusively an offensive statistic. As we are all aware, there are other methods of scoring that involve the defense or the special teams. So, who should get credit for what and how does this compare to other teams in the league?

The offense gets credit for offensive TD's, field goals, and all extra points whether one point or two.

The special teams get credit for Kickoff and punt return TD's or any block returned for a TD during a kick, field goal or punt.

The defense gets credit for any INT or fumble returned for a TD plus any safeties.

The Cowboys, so far, have scored 124 points. The NFL rank is #4. However, the defense has scored 18 points and the special teams 6 points. These 24 points in combined defense and special teams scoring is ranked #1 in the NFL. When you subtract the defensive TD's, safeties and special team scores from each team and re-rank them according to offensive scoring only, the Cowboys drop significantly to #10.

The Cowboys are also tied for #1 in scoring from the kicking team. They have scored 48 points from combined extra points and field goals. When you subtract this number from the offense you are left only with the points from TD's and 2 point plays. The Cowboys offense has scored 8 TD's and have made two 2-point plays for a total of 52 points. When all teams are ranked this way then the Cowboys offense falls to #18.

This is not even taking into consideration, the excellent field position gifted by the defense due to turnovers. This may be a situation where the Cowboys ranking in yardage is a more realistic indicator of where this offense is in relation to the other 31 teams in the league.

There is good news. the numbers achieved by the Cowboys offense has been under difficult circumstances. When you replace three Pro Bowl level O-linemen with a couple of undrafted rookie free agents and a journeyman with 15 starts, then it is unrealistic to expect an offense close to its previous productivity. As this veteran offensive line comes together I think we can expect a drastic improvement. Even as the team is currently ranked #4, I see rapid progress and I hope that begins Sunday night.

The Cowboys cannot depend on defensive scoring.

Ranking based off offensive points only

Team Pts Def Offense
1 MIA 150 0 150
2 BUF 139 6 133
3 SFO 125 0 125
4 CHI 115 0 115
5 LAC 110 0 110
6 PHI 118 8 108
7 WAS 109 6 103
8 KAN 101 0 101
9 DAL 124 24 100
10 DET 106 6 100
11 SEA 111 12 99
12 LAR 98 0 98
13 BAL 99 2 95
14 GNB 100 6 94
15 IND 97 6 91
16 HOU 96 6 90
17 DEN 100 12 88
18 MIN 90 6 84
19 ARI 88 6 82
20 TAM 84 6 78
21 CLE 76 0 76
22 JAX 80 6 74
23 TEN 72 0 72
24 ATL 62 0 62
25 LVR 62 0 62
26 CAR 67 6 61
27 NOR 62 6 56
28 NYJ 62 8 52
29 NWE 55 2 51
30 PIT 62 12 50
31 CIN 49 6 43

Do rankings matter going into a 49ers game??? The answer is we're a top Offense (WITH A LEAD), but dreadful when 7 pts(+) behind. This problem is exacerbated against the 49ers as they know Dak's preferences (see Jimmie Wards annual post match comment) and will sit in coverage all day.

The offensive performance when/if we trail is going to be AS important as the final result, has this offense got the patience and variety to score TD's when trailing (against other good defenses)....because it WILL be needed in the play-offs.

 

[Nav22]

We're 5th in the NFL in offensive efficiency.

Some of you really have no clue what you're watching on Sundays.


Tricked into thinking our offense sucks because of the red zone TD%, omitting the fact that we're #1 in the league in red zone trips (19) and #1 in 3rd down efficiency (52%).

We're also 2nd in defensive efficiency, 8th in special teams efficiency and 3rd in overall efficiency (Buffalo and SF are the top 2).

 

[Streifenkarl]

Top 10 isn’t bad considering we moved to a slightly more conservative offense. Plus we’ve let up in a couple of those blowouts and likely could’ve scored again had we needed to.

Well that's something that is gonna put to a test this weekend, hmm?

No matter how this game is won, if we can pull it off I don't care how our offense is rated. But if we lose with SF scoring less than 20 points than that's on the offense.

 

[T-RO]

We're 5th in the NFL in offensive efficiency.

Some of you really have no clue what you're watching on Sundays.


Tricked into thinking our offense sucks because of the red zone TD%, omitting the fact that we're #1 in the league in red zone trips (19) and #1 in 3rd down efficiency (52%).

We're also 2nd in defensive efficiency, 8th in special teams efficiency and 3rd in overall efficiency (Buffalo and SF are the top 2).

I kinda agree.

But look, We've had 19 red zone trips in large part because of our League-leading turnovers and defensive oppression. 10 turnovers already and plenty of 3-and-out stands.

I do commend you for posting efficiency numbers.

 

[DandyDon52]

stats are flawed, the op is right on that.
That is why they cant tell you anything accurate.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It is true that the Cowboys are listed as #4 in scoring so far this season. However, this is not exclusively an offensive statistic. As we are all aware, there are other methods of scoring that involve the defense or the special teams. So, who should get credit for what and how does this compare to other teams in the league?

The offense gets credit for offensive TD's, field goals, and all extra points whether one point or two.

The special teams get credit for Kickoff and punt return TD's or any block returned for a TD during a kick, field goal or punt.

The defense gets credit for any INT or fumble returned for a TD plus any safeties.

The Cowboys, so far, have scored 124 points. The NFL rank is #4. However, the defense has scored 18 points and the special teams 6 points. These 24 points in combined defense and special teams scoring is ranked #1 in the NFL. When you subtract the defensive TD's, safeties and special team scores from each team and re-rank them according to offensive scoring only, the Cowboys drop significantly to #10.

The Cowboys are also tied for #1 in scoring from the kicking team. They have scored 48 points from combined extra points and field goals. When you subtract this number from the offense you are left only with the points from TD's and 2 point plays. The Cowboys offense has scored 8 TD's and have made two 2-point plays for a total of 52 points. When all teams are ranked this way then the Cowboys offense falls to #18.

This is not even taking into consideration, the excellent field position gifted by the defense due to turnovers. This may be a situation where the Cowboys ranking in yardage is a more realistic indicator of where this offense is in relation to the other 31 teams in the league.

There is good news. the numbers achieved by the Cowboys offense has been under difficult circumstances. When you replace three Pro Bowl level O-linemen with a couple of undrafted rookie free agents and a journeyman with 15 starts, then it is unrealistic to expect an offense close to its previous productivity. As this veteran offensive line comes together I think we can expect a drastic improvement. Even as the team is currently ranked #4, I see rapid progress and I hope that begins Sunday night.

The Cowboys cannot depend on defensive scoring.

Ranking based off offensive points only

Team Pts Def Offense
1 MIA 150 0 150
2 BUF 139 6 133
3 SFO 125 0 125
4 CHI 115 0 115
5 LAC 110 0 110
6 PHI 118 8 108
7 WAS 109 6 103
8 KAN 101 0 101
9 DAL 124 24 100
10 DET 106 6 100
11 SEA 111 12 99
12 LAR 98 0 98
13 BAL 99 2 95
14 GNB 100 6 94
15 IND 97 6 91
16 HOU 96 6 90
17 DEN 100 12 88
18 MIN 90 6 84
19 ARI 88 6 82
20 TAM 84 6 78
21 CLE 76 0 76
22 JAX 80 6 74
23 TEN 72 0 72
24 ATL 62 0 62
25 LVR 62 0 62
26 CAR 67 6 61
27 NOR 62 6 56
28 NYJ 62 8 52
29 NWE 55 2 51
30 PIT 62 12 50
31 CIN 49 6 43

Why would you take away field goals? I get it. The offense hasn’t been playing well.

But like Verdict eluded too when the defense scored touchdowns that eliminated offensive possessions. Who’s to say they don’t score on those possessions we get turnovers on?

The objective is to score. The issue isn’t the offensive production but the redzone. This team has shown they can march down the field and they’ve done it against Pats and Jets.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I kinda agree.

But look, We've had 19 red zone trips in large part because of our League-leading turnovers and defensive oppression. 10 turnovers already and plenty of 3-and-out stands.

I do commend you for posting efficiency numbers.

Have you seen this team have issues moving the football? Just using the eye test? I’ve yet to see anyone truly stop us except the Cardinals.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It is true that the Cowboys are listed as #4 in scoring so far this season. However, this is not exclusively an offensive statistic. As we are all aware, there are other methods of scoring that involve the defense or the special teams. So, who should get credit for what and how does this compare to other teams in the league?

The offense gets credit for offensive TD's, field goals, and all extra points whether one point or two.

The special teams get credit for Kickoff and punt return TD's or any block returned for a TD during a kick, field goal or punt.

The defense gets credit for any INT or fumble returned for a TD plus any safeties.

The Cowboys, so far, have scored 124 points. The NFL rank is #4. However, the defense has scored 18 points and the special teams 6 points. These 24 points in combined defense and special teams scoring is ranked #1 in the NFL. When you subtract the defensive TD's, safeties and special team scores from each team and re-rank them according to offensive scoring only, the Cowboys drop significantly to #10.

The Cowboys are also tied for #1 in scoring from the kicking team. They have scored 48 points from combined extra points and field goals. When you subtract this number from the offense you are left only with the points from TD's and 2 point plays. The Cowboys offense has scored 8 TD's and have made two 2-point plays for a total of 52 points. When all teams are ranked this way then the Cowboys offense falls to #18.

This is not even taking into consideration, the excellent field position gifted by the defense due to turnovers. This may be a situation where the Cowboys ranking in yardage is a more realistic indicator of where this offense is in relation to the other 31 teams in the league.

There is good news. the numbers achieved by the Cowboys offense has been under difficult circumstances. When you replace three Pro Bowl level O-linemen with a couple of undrafted rookie free agents and a journeyman with 15 starts, then it is unrealistic to expect an offense close to its previous productivity. As this veteran offensive line comes together I think we can expect a drastic improvement. Even as the team is currently ranked #4, I see rapid progress and I hope that begins Sunday night.

The Cowboys cannot depend on defensive scoring.

Ranking based off offensive points only

Team Pts Def Offense
1 MIA 150 0 150
2 BUF 139 6 133
3 SFO 125 0 125
4 CHI 115 0 115
5 LAC 110 0 110
6 PHI 118 8 108
7 WAS 109 6 103
8 KAN 101 0 101
9 DAL 124 24 100
10 DET 106 6 100
11 SEA 111 12 99
12 LAR 98 0 98
13 BAL 99 2 95
14 GNB 100 6 94
15 IND 97 6 91
16 HOU 96 6 90
17 DEN 100 12 88
18 MIN 90 6 84
19 ARI 88 6 82
20 TAM 84 6 78
21 CLE 76 0 76
22 JAX 80 6 74
23 TEN 72 0 72
24 ATL 62 0 62
25 LVR 62 0 62
26 CAR 67 6 61
27 NOR 62 6 56
28 NYJ 62 8 52
29 NWE 55 2 51
30 PIT 62 12 50
31 CIN 49 6 43

Meaningless. Those picks and special teams TD's took away 4 or 5 possessions the offense would have had. Probably score another 20 points off those possessions.

The huge leads allowed us to play conservatively stressing not turning the ball over and not taking chances.