CFZ Dallas Cowboys Offense True Ranking

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why do fans care about this nonsense??!!
I will never understand why you're trying to make adjustments to lower the offense rankings and belittle the offense and by the way this is a fun fact here all this talk about the red zone issues which by the way a lot of it has been penalties dropped passes execution has been poor but the play calls and the quarterback have been fine by the way you know who else is doing poorly and yet not getting any public outlast it be the Philadelphia Eagles the four no division leading Philadelphia Eagles are not far ahead of the Cowboys in red zone scoring why don't you go pick that up make that a story as well as the fact that their quarterback is also has a lot of turnovers already so let's bring this whole narrative from last year about our offense too many turnovers can't do that now this year's red zone and bring it to Philly how about we talk about the Philadelphia Eagles again like we always liked you but this time let's be real their kicker like ours it's one of the top kickers in the league there was a meme the other day it brought it to my attention both our kicker and theirs have more points than the entire giants offense..

So why is this you ask it must be because they're not that good in the red zone either but I still don't understand these rankings who cares the point differential and net points is so outlandish it doesn't matter we're three and one and the only game we didn't win had really nothing to do with the offense it was a total team loss the defense didn't play well the coaching wasn't great on either side of the ball and play calling that's the one loss we wish we had back and here we are..​
You do realize that rankings mean nothing in sports these are used for who knows what betting lines fun for fans but really it's your competition what's your record what's your record in your division what's your record in your conference what's your record in common opponents and they use all this stuff at the end of the year in case there's a tie other than that it's only about wins and losses. Everything else is used for nonsense it's all fluff it's entertainment and really I don't understand why we need to adjust our offense to make them look bad because that is what this intention was whether you think it is or not I see it because I'm tired of hearing about the offense in red zone we're moving the ball very well we're getting in scoring position easily we're kicking field goals because we have not executed well in the red zone but our offense is still very good and I guarantee it can be dangerous if you back it in a corner and really need something with healthy you know we're not counting Arizona in my opinion total team lost but you can't expect the offense to have looked good without 3 Pro Bowl offensive lineman and a bunch of penalties..​
Sorry dude you are mistaken. What this poster is doing is the right thing to do, namely counter the "nonsense" of inflating the offense by simply looking at team points scored. The Cowboys are 11th in yards per game, the real indicator. Defensive and special team touchdowns inflate peoples ideas of how the team is at offense. So are short field scores after a turnover. Some people need to be reminded of this. It is not "belittling" it is reminding people of reality. We have a decent offense, one with a potential to be very good. The offense has not really won us a game yet. I hope it does. Lets keep watching and see.
 

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It looks like the OP included points for Washington and Chicago from the Thursday game which will make those teams look better since they would have played one extra game.
 

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It looks like the OP included points for Washington and Chicago from the Thursday game which will make those teams look better since they would have played one extra game.
yeah I was seeing the Boys 13th in yards but really they are 11th, have to exclude the thursday game
 

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The Cowboys are also tied for #1 in scoring from the kicking team. They have scored 48 points from combined extra points and field goals. When you subtract this number from the offense you are left only with the points from TD's and 2 point plays. The Cowboys offense has scored 8 TD's and have made two 2-point plays for a total of 52 points. When all teams are ranked this way then the Cowboys offense falls to #18.


this part is dumb. It’s still the offense.
 

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On the other hand when the defense scores it eliminates one offensive possession. So that takes away a scoring opportunity.

I’ll take defensive scores all day long, regardless of how it skews the statistics.
That's not the point of the thread but who wouldn't take defensive scores??
 

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Defense scores, it means less time for offense to score more points. This actually makes sense. Not saying its all golden, as there are are still some questions to be answered, but the context here matters
 

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Sorry dude you are mistaken. What this poster is doing is the right thing to do, namely counter the "nonsense" of inflating the offense by simply looking at team points scored. The Cowboys are 11th in yards per game, the real indicator. Defensive and special team touchdowns inflate peoples ideas of how the team is at offense. So are short field scores after a turnover. Some people need to be reminded of this. It is not "belittling" it is reminding people of reality. We have a decent offense, one with a potential to be very good. The offense has not really won us a game yet. I hope it does. Lets keep watching and see.
so the real indicator is yards per game. I guess that makes chicago the second best offense in the league. Better than KC. Commanders are 3rd best offense, ahead of niners, KC and eagles
that was a very simplistic, agenda driven stat.
but I am sure next time around if we are tops in yards, you will conveniently point to another stat and proudly indicate, its the real indicator.

perhaps. just perhaps. we have been playing with large leads and defense playing well and offense didn't need to go balls to the wall.
 

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Hard for me to accept a "significantly" drop to #10 when I see that just one more TD from the offense jumps them to #7. Additionally they would be just 2 spots away from #6. 8 points from #6 spot is just 2 points a game. That isn't a biggie considering the special team and defense scoring added in. I get you can't depend on that extra scoring but the Cowboys will be better in the red zone also.
We are actually #7 because he included Thursday game scores for Chicago and Washington. He should remove 40 points from Chicago and 20 points from Washington.
 

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KM sucks doesn't he?
His pass-happy Chargers offense has only scored 10 points more than McCarthy's Cowboys offense. That's because the Cowboys had to play 1 game in ugly rain pouring weather. The Chargers have played all 4 games in excellent weather conditions.

So, yes, KM sucks!
 

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I get the redzone worries, the rest is kinda crazy, if you didnt understand we were going to take care of the ball and drive the field and keep this defense fresh and killing folks, well you ignored everything that happened this offseason..plain and simple we shifted from full throttle offense and bend dont break D to TOP offense no points left on the field from TO's and an Attacking change the game D... it was clear as day...
:hammer: :hammer:
 

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Our offense has scored 124 points (4th in NFL) This is crazy considering how many field goals we've kicked from the red zone!
To clarify: Offense responsible for 97 points

Special Teams for 6....... (FG block return, missed XP)
Defense for 21 ...............(2 INT TD and 1 fumble return TD)

97 points would rank in the middle.
 

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Stats are always used to prove a point and rarely are they definitive
What is definitive is winning football games
That’s the only stat that matters
The nfl is simple
Get into the playoffs is your first goal and it doesn’t matter how
Second goal is win the last game you play
See, simple lol
 

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His pass-happy Chargers offense has only scored 10 points more than McCarthy's Cowboys offense. That's because the Cowboys had to play 1 game in ugly rain pouring weather. The Chargers have played all 4 games in excellent weather conditions.

So, yes, KM sucks!
And I'm sure the defenses have nothing to do with that.

honestly.
 

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On the other hand when the defense scores it eliminates one offensive possession. So that takes away a scoring opportunity.

I’ll take defensive scores all day long, regardless of how it skews the statistics.
Was just about to make this point. Scoring is a product of opportunities and need. The defense has given the offense fewer opportunities and need.

The exception, and concern, of course, if the Arizona game. The offense didn't come through in that one when it had opportunity and need. Hoping it was an aberration, though.
 

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Well that's something that is gonna put to a test this weekend, hmm?

No matter how this game is won, if we can pull it off I don't care how our offense is rated. But if we lose with SF scoring less than 20 points than that's on the offense.
It will be a good challenge, San Fran has only given up more than 16 points in one game this year (23 to the Rams).

Of course, we've only given up more than 10 points in one game this year.
 

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This was not a condemnation of the Cowboys offense. Far from it. As we all know, Sunday's game may be the first time we see all starters on the offensive line for a very long time. This team had as many as three O-line starters out. That was challenging enough, but then to have two of them replaced by undrafted rookies. I'm pretty certain that some plays had to be taken out.

The repercussions due to injuries don't completely go away yet. These guys have to learn to play together and build the cohesion that will make them efficient and that may take a few games.

There was also the loss of Brandin Cooks and that might have really effected the scoring although I think Tolbert did an admirable job filling in.

These issues seriously effect the ability to score so the team we see on Sunday isn't the same team responsible for their previous performances. It's also true that the same can probably be said for half the teams in the league. NFL teams have a way of 'evolving" during the first half of the season. Ideally, you would want the most efficient version of your team in December and January.

So we should never take statistics too seriously as a measurement of the team we have. They are simply a tool to "approximate" where the team might be.

This may be a matter of semantics but, statistics, if measured accurately, is not flawed. It is the way they might be interpreted by human beings that can be very flawed. The data size must be very impressive for statistics to accurately predict an outcome, preferably in the hundred thousands. Even then the statement will offer a probability and neither the statement or the probability will be definitive.

An example of statistical statement might be. "There is a 90% probability that the Cowboys will score between 17 to 27 points on Sunday". I just made this up as an example so don't quote it...please!

However, as you can see, it's never very committal, not absolute confirmation. Pardon me if you are an attorney but you may have noticed that attorneys tend to do the same, it's never yes, no, absolutely, every time, etc. It's always perhaps, most likely, in all probability. They realize that there are always possibilities that could not be accounted for.

So again, stats can be relevant as long as we understand that you won't get definitive answers but you will get a pretty good feeling about what they might indicate. They might confirm some of what you think you see, some tendency.

Being ranked #1 doesn't mean you are truly the best defense, whatever that means. I say that because each player and, therefore, each team will be a different version of itself every game they play.
 

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You're right. We live or die with D, no doubt.

The offense's efficiency only makes this D better. Complimentary football at its finest.

Even though stats don't prove anything, they show a pattern. I think the pattern starting to show itself is a complete team playing complimentary football. Efficient in all three phases.

Something to think about...

We've run 70.5 offensive plays (3rd in NFL)

We have a 52% third down conversion rate (1rst in NFL)

Our offense has scored 124 points (4th in NFL) This is crazy considering how many field goals we've kicked from the red zone!

We are second in NFL in time of posession (22 seconds behind the Browns; keeping the D fresh)

We are only 11th in NFL in offensive yards/ game. (All those 3 and outs and turnovers the defenses force lead to great field position, like you pointed out! Still, dominating time of possesion due to their efficiency, though)

Our offense has scored twice as many TD's as their opponents offense on both the ground and through the air. (This stat is about complimentary football. It's as much about our D as our O)

I also read that we lead the league in 10+ play drives, but I can't find that official stat anywhere...

This team runs through the D, and we play that way. But, the offense hasn't even glimpsed it's ceiling. This could get real fun to watch!
Excellent post.
 

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Well, it's a team sport. Defensive and special teams points don't count less than offensive points in the end.
Actually in the end fans with ridiculous posts with analyzing every little thing about a game when it doesn't matter, right?

wins and losses, that's it that's all it matters...

this is a team sport , everything counts...

too many moving parts to blame one particular unit give too much credit to one particular unit , to start picking on players after losses, to start already dismissing rookies as busts 4-5 games into a season, talking about coaches being on the hot seat, I mean what subject would you like me to cover that means nothing except for one thing which has been a lot here wins and losses.

so the Dallas Cowboys not the Dallas defensive Cowboys or the Dallas special teams Cowboys or the Dallas offensive Cowboys ,​
it is literally all capital letters we root for THE Dallas Cowboys team,
that's the team we refer to have been responsible for what the top five winning unit in the league since 2016 and since 2021 I believe we might be top three in wins??​
I mean I haven't looked but isn't that what matters we will win more in the playoffs but right now skip to now,​

the team the team won 3 the team lost 1..
 
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