Dallas is 0-16 the Last 2 Years When They Don't Score 30

[DFWJC]

Here's what you didn't say with you lost listings. In 2019 the average score in games for the league was 22.8 and the Cowboys had the 6th ranked scoring offense averaging 27.1 points per game. Now like all averages there are some with higher scores and some with lower scores. Now with 3 games of scoring 24 points, more than the league average for 2019 that should have been enough to win those games but the defense gave up 34, 28 and 31 points in those games, well over the average winning scores. Now just like many teams, offenses have games where they struggle and the Cowboys offense did struggle in some games, but before you try to put the blame for all the losses on the offense you need to take a lot at the whole picture.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/scoring.htm
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/points-per-game?date=2020-02-03
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I wasn't putting all the blame of losses on the offense whatsoever. I know the D is worse.

Just pointing out the glaringly obvious bs...that he was implying we need basically need to score 30 to win games.
I listen to Cavenaugh all the time on the radio. I know exactly where he stands on this.
But the blame needs to shared
And of course, I agree that the defense has been worse than the offense more often than not.

In the last two years, other than a couple of exceptions, you'll find that our offense is Jeckle and Hyde.
They run up huge stat-padding and scoring padding numbers on poor defenses and several times barely score 10 points against the good ones.
They also get ina hole vs good teams and run up numbers trying to catch up when the game is already over.

Unlike in 2016 (or 2014) when the offense took control of games, the averages are extremely misleading the last couple of years.

 

[CWR]

I wasn't putting all the blame of losses on the offense whatsoever. I know the D is worse.

Just pointing out the glaringly obvious bs...that he was implying we need basically need to score 30 to win games.
I listen to Cavenaugh all the time on the radio. I know exactly where he stands on this.
But the blame needs to shared
And of course, I agree that the defense has been worse than the offense more often than not.

In the last two years, other than a couple of exceptions, you'll find that our offense is Jeckle and Hyde.
They run up huge stat-padding and scoring padding numbers on poor defenses and several times barely score 10 points against the good ones.
They also get ina hole vs good teams and run up numbers trying to catch up when the game is already over.

Unlike in 2016 (or 2014) when the offense took control of games, the averages are extremely misleading the last couple of years.

One huge misconception that has gone around for some time now is how well ANYONE does against top ranked defenses. Its nearly universal that everyone struggles. Its certainly not exclusive to Dak or our offense. Still it does not change the fact there are times the offense needs to step up and it doesn't.

 

[pete026]

One huge misconception that has gone around for some time now is how well ANYONE does against top ranked defenses. Its nearly universal that everyone struggles. Its certainly not exclusive to Dak or our offense. Still it does not change the fact there are times the offense needs to step up and it doesn't.

This is really what it comes down to; the team is dysfunctional and this has gone on for more than the last two years.

The offense will do their part in a game and the defense will either outright suck or just do enough to keep them in the game and then get steamrolled on a final drive to lose.

Then there are games where the defense will stymie the other team and the offense can't get out of its own way.

The timing never matches up. Another way to say it is they maximize their losses for their level of performance, hence their label as "underperformers". About the only thing they are consistent with.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Pathetic. But hey, it's all Dak's fault!!

that's Dak's fault for not being able to lead the team to 30 pts every game....

 

[Vanilla2]

The cowboys are a 8-8 money printing machine. As long as they are the owners want teams like gb and kc and tampa and buffalo winning. Making the pie that much bigger. We won’t win again until the cowboys money printer stops working.

 

[pete026]

You can argue back and forth about offense and defense but during the early 90's when they won 3 superbowls and went to four straight NFC Championship games the Cowboys had great offenses, defenses, and special teams so you need them all to be in the show!

This is no longer true in the NFL.
Rule changes since the Cowboys SB run have limited a team's ability to dominate all phases of the game. Any team that has had any long-term success has really come down to coaching, player acquisition (drafting, FA, etc), and playing complimentary football which ties back to coaching. Match your style of play to limit exposure of your weaknesses and maximize the benefit of your strengths. Because NFL parity rules will limit a team's ability to be strong across the board. At least in the long term.

 

[streetcredit]

Here's what you didn't say with you lost listings. In 2019 the average score in games for the league was 22.8 and the Cowboys had the 6th ranked scoring offense averaging 27.1 points per game. Now like all averages there are some with higher scores and some with lower scores. Now with 3 games of scoring 24 points, more than the league average for 2019 that should have been enough to win those games but the defense gave up 34, 28 and 31 points in those games, well over the average winning scores. Now just like many teams, offenses have games where they struggle and the Cowboys offense did struggle in some games, but before you try to put the blame for all the losses on the offense you need to take a lot at the whole picture.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/scoring.htm
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/points-per-game?date=2020-02-03
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If they scored 22.8 points each game they would have been 12-4...high scoring team destroying bums in the NFL east.

 

[nalam]

Man, our offense sucks.

Defense sucking was one of the prime reasons that even when we had better offenses during Romo and Dak times we couldnt go deeper in playoffs. If we even had an average defense we should have beaten the NYG at home ( 30 sec TD just before half time to equalize , blah ) and that year instead of NYG we could have played in the SB , its another matter whether we could have beaten patriots.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Wrong. My point is simple if you care to go back and read. I completely agreed that the D is the main culprit. I am also merely suggesting that the offense has had it's fair share of struggles as well. Don't be binary and black and white. Two things can be true simultaneously: Our D is atrocious. And our offense is inconsistent and turns the ball over too much. I hope I didn't just melt your brain.

It's funny, not ha ha finny, that teams in the playoffs have a worse turnover differential than the team you say turned the ball over to much. I don't like it when the Cowboys commit turnovers but every team does. It's just that some teams have defenses that get more turnovers which off sets the turnovers committed by the offense. I sure hope that didn't completely exploded your head.
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[gjkoeppen]

I give the defense 95% of the blame for 2020, not 2019. I don't like averages. Because had the Cowboys actually scored 27.1 points per game, they would have been 12-3-1 in 2019. So that average PPG is misleading. Because that offense struggled mightily against most teams with a halfway decent D.

As I said in my comment that the Cowboys did struggle in a couple of games, but when the Cowboys scored more than the league average and the defense gave up a lot more than the league average, just which unit is more to blame? In 2019 the Cowboys had the 6th best scoring offense yet that still wasn't good enough for their defense,
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[Trajan]

The whole team is a mess. A decade without leadership under Garrett and the Jones boys isn’t going to be undone in a season.

My hope is McCarthy and Quinn put some emphasis on the defense. I would love if the team switched from an offense focus to a defense one. We won’t, as Jerry wants sizzle over substance, but would like to see a dominate defense.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I wasn't putting all the blame of losses on the offense whatsoever. I know the D is worse.

Just pointing out the glaringly obvious bs...that he was implying we need basically need to score 30 to win games.
I listen to Cavenaugh all the time on the radio. I know exactly where he stands on this.
But the blame needs to shared
And of course, I agree that the defense has been worse than the offense more often than not.

In the last two years, other than a couple of exceptions, you'll find that our offense is Jeckle and Hyde.
They run up huge stat-padding and scoring padding numbers on poor defenses and several times barely score 10 points against the good ones.
They also get ina hole vs good teams and run up numbers trying to catch up when the game is already over.

Unlike in 2016 (or 2014) when the offense took control of games, the averages are extremely misleading the last couple of years.

The reason the Cowboys needed to score 30 or more points was because of the defense. for 2019 KC who the Super Bowl, 49ers and saints made the playoffs and didn't average 30 point. Why, because they had better defenses. Yes those three teams did average more than the Cowboys, saints by 1 more point and the 49ers by 2 points and KC by 2.5 more points but all under 30 points.
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[DFWJC]

One huge misconception that has gone around for some time now is how well ANYONE does against top ranked defenses. Its nearly universal that everyone struggles. Its certainly not exclusive to Dak or our offense. Still it does not change the fact there are times the offense needs to step up and it doesn't.

I hear you and agree for the most part.

But I will maintain (with proof) that Dallas' high-flying offense, on average, struggles more than the league average vs these teams.

My point is not at all to let the defense off the hook...not at all. They have been awful at times--especially early this year.

I'm just saying--and the stats back this up--that Dallas' offense is actually at or below the league average vs the better defenses.

2019 losses
Dallas averaged 17.1 points vs those teams but the rest of the league averaged 19.2

2020 losses
Dallas averaged 17.9 points vs those teams but the rest of the league averaged much more (21.9)

This trend existed in 2017 and 2018 as well.
So the last 4 years.

However, in 2016 and 2014, the offense exceeded league averages vs good teams

Note, we are only talking about losses in this thread. So it is a negative bias.

 

[gjkoeppen]

If they scored 22.8 points each game they would have been 12-4...high scoring team destroying bums in the NFL east.

Like all averages some games are more and some are less. Having an average doesn't mean that is what is scored in every game. Also even scoring 22.8 points is no guarantee that the defense won't allow more which has been the Cowboys problem for the past couple of years.
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[Bullflop]

The OP serves notice, as proof positive, that the Dallas defense is and has been at the root of their losing woes for the past 2 years.

That has to change, if the Cowboys are destined to arrive at the level of an NFL team worthy of living up to their resplendent history!

 

[ondaedg]

For sure. I agree. The D is broken. But in all our quest for accountability, don't leave the inconsistencies and struggles of the offense out of the conversation.

sure criticism should go around. But the offense has been carrying the defense so clearly the majority of the criticism should go to the defense.

 

[charron]

We know the defense sucks. We are way better at drafting offense than defense. When we do pick defense early in the draft it's a big reach or huge injury risk or a guy with drug issues.

 

[CWR]

We know the defense sucks. We are way better at drafting offense than defense. When we do pick defense early in the draft it's a big reach or huge injury risk or a guy with drug issues.

Marinelli was a horrible influence in the draft room. Hopefully without his input we make better selections. I like the guys we drafted last, and hope we go very heavy on that side of the ball this time around.

 

[Melonfeud]

So the trick is stop whining about the O and calling certain players crappy things and focus on the D and dem Hotboyz.

* Hahaha,yeah,but it's pretty obvious that the high luster full gloss factory finish embossed stamp seal of approval into country club Team Cowboys ain't one of those determining suckage factors being scrutinized ,huh?

 

[Whyjerry]

Yeah, who knew Dak sucks at defense. I forget what position does he play?

Dak could be a better tackler if we are being honest.