Dallas needs to draft a QB at some point.

[Doomsday101]

No biggie.
Interactions with you are usually interesting to say the least

I am just refering to Johnson as a capable vet backup. I feel his is the right man for THAT job. I dont see the need to get a "better" vet backup. How does that work anways, right?(rhetorica question) LOL

I have no problem with Johnson and expect he will once again be in a backup role with us next season. As for better option I don't see anyone on the market at this time that I would take over Johnson. That could change down the road depending on what some teams may do.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I don't mind carrying 2 QB's on the roster as long as the backup is the real deal who you firmly believe can fill in for a month in case Romo suffers a 3-4 week injury (and I don't worry about "jinxes" and superstition, I worry about probabilities), so at least your team can tread water and it doesn't completely sink your season.

I don't feel confident Brad Johnson could fill in for a month without breaking one of his brittle old man bones or his noodle arm falling off. Then where does that leave us? Scouring the streets looking for someone to fill in for a few weeks, hoping he can pick up the offense in a few days. At least if you carry 3 QB's you have someone who has been all the way through mini camps and training camps and should at the very least know the offense.

Secondly, you should draft with the next 3-4 years in mind, because that's how long these rookies will be under contract. You don't draft just looking at next year. The Cowboys are going to need a long term solution at backup QB. Brad Johnson is in the last year of his contract. He certainly isn't a long term solution. Why not use just a small amount of foresight today and fill a hole cheaply that is going to be a pressing issue next offseason (and the offseason after that and the offseason after that). Just because there are always journeymen veteran QB's out there doesn't mean that's the best way to go. Anyone remember Paul Justin?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I have no problem with Johnson and expect he will once again be in a backup role with us next season. As for better option I don't see anyone on the market at this time that I would take over Johnson. That could change down the road depending on what some teams may do.

Exactly. No one to consider. I dont think we are even looking.


Hey... its no big deal... we can keep Johnson until Michael Vick gets outta jail.

How do you like him as our backup QB?
(ducks)

 

[GhettoxCowboy]

Isn't Drew Henson available?Technically he's still developmental, or needs mental development.

Hes the batboy for the yankees now LOL jk :laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't mind carrying 2 QB's on the roster as long as the backup is the real deal who you firmly believe can fill in for a month in case Romo suffers a 3-4 week injury (and I don't worry about "jinxes" and superstition, I worry about probabilities), so at least your team can tread water and it doesn't completely sink your season.

I don't feel confident Brad Johnson could fill in for a month without breaking one of his brittle old man bones or his noodle arm falling off. Then where does that leave us? Scouring the streets looking for someone to fill in for a few weeks, hoping he can pick up the offense in a few days. At least if you carry 3 QB's you have someone who has been all the way through mini camps and training camps and should at the very least know the offense.

Secondly, you should draft with the next 3-4 years in mind, because that's how long these rookies will be under contract. You don't draft just looking at next year. The Cowboys are going to need a long term solution at backup QB. Brad Johnson is in the last year of his contract. He certainly isn't a long term solution. Why not use just a small amount of foresight today and fill a hole cheaply that is going to be a pressing issue next offseason (and the offseason after that and the offseason after that). Just because there are always journeymen veteran QB's out there doesn't mean that's the best way to go. Anyone remember Paul Justin?

Because Rookies look lost and make a lot of bone head mistakes that cost their teams games. Even some of the top drafted QB have looked pathetic in the early part of their careers. Leaving the team in the hands of a guy who has no clue is a quick way to lose games. Johnson no doubt is a drop off to Romo but he will not make bonehead mistakes and turn the ball over and that will get you beat quicker than anything.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Because Rookies look lost and make a lot of bone head mistakes that cost their teams games. Even some of the top drafted QB have looked pathetic in the early part of their careers. Leaving the team in the hands of a guy who has no clue is a quick way to lose games. Johnson no doubt is a drop off to Romo but he will not make bonehead mistakes and turn the ball over and that will get you beat quicker than anything.

Again, I don't think you read my post.

I said I don't mind carrying 2 QB's as long as the 2nd guy is rock solid. Brad Johnson is not rock solid.

If you're going to go old and brittle at #2 like Brad Johnson, then make a good short and long term investment and carry 3 QB's.

 

[Doomsday101]

Again, I don't think you read my post.

I said I don't mind carrying 2 QB's as long as the 2nd guy is rock solid. Brad Johnson is not rock solid.

If you're going to go old and brittle at #2 like Brad Johnson, then make a good short and long term investment and carry 3 QB's.

Well if there was a vet QB out on the market who was better than I would be in favor of getting him but right now I don't see any vet out there who would be any better. That could change before the start of the year who knows. I expect Dallas will have 3 QB's one being a rookie or a guy heading into his 2nd year

 

[Stautner]

I hear ya... but I think Dallas will be an exception just like Indy, NE and a few other teams that you never really hear about the backup QB.

Romo is gonna start for the next 6 years? We can cover our arse by having a good set of vet backups behind him for that duration.

I dont know what they are thinking but didnt they just let that kid go? Baker? Doesnt seem like its on the front burner by any stretch.

But what if he doesn't. This is football after all, and career ending injuries do occur. Even absent that lengthy injuries occur, and it can be a crapshoot trying to find a strong veteran backup who will accept that role for a number of years.

That's why I was so disappointed when we cut Matt Moore.

I liked him too.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

But what if he doesn't. This is football after all, and career ending injuries do occur. Even absent that lengthy injuries occur, and it can be a crapshoot trying to find a strong veteran backup who will accept that role for a number of years.

I hear ya... but no team is making MAJOR investments in their backup QB's.

If any of these QB's goes down their team is pretty much done for the season

• Brady
• Manning (Peyton not Eliza)
• Romo
• Pennington (come on that was funny)
• Palmer

etc....

 

[Stautner]

I hear ya... but no team is making MAJOR investments in their backup QB's.

If any of these QB's goes down their team is pretty much done for the season

• Brady
• Manning (Peyton not Eliza)
• Romo
• Pennington (come on that was funny)
• Palmer

etc....

You were responding to a post that said we should have a developmental QB on the roster, not make a "major investment".

I don't think anyone here is talking about using a 1st rounder on a QB, but we are talking about finding someone with potential that can develop into a strong QB.

You know - like Romo did. And that was not a major investment.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You were responding to a post that said we should have a developmental QB on the roster, not make a "major investment".

I don't think anyone here is talking about using a 1st rounder on a QB, but we are talking about finding someone with potential that can develop into a strong QB.

You know - like Romo did. And that was not a major investment.

Ok... these posts are just getting more and more spun.

So what do we want? I will play along

• an old, wiley vet backup QB
• an 30-ish, wiley vet backup QB
• an old backup QB
• a former #1 vet backup QB
• a project 3rd stringer

pick one any one

 

[lkelly]

Last season Dallas was too busy using a roster spot on a player who logged a few downs during a meaningless game at the end of the season and then made no impact in the playoff game.

I firmly vote for a strategy that has us drafting a QB at least every other year to try and hit on the next starter/backup quality guy. These players have the highest trade return rate and it's ludicrous to not look at stocking up on them for a cheap price.

If you want a reason for Dallas' mediocrity between Aikman's career end and Romo's starting career beginning, look no further than their reluctance to draft a QB. Sure they blew a pick 2 rounds too high on Quincy, but other than that they drafted virtually nobody and only traded/signed baseball rehab projects. If it's the most important position in team sports, why not pay it some attention each year?

And I'm also in the Brad Johnson is essentially a waste of space camp. Perhaps they hoped he'd be a good player/coach and tutor Romo. He certainly can't play worth a damn.

 

[Doomsday101]

Ok... these posts are just getting more and more spun.

So what do we want? I will play along

• an old, wiley vet backup QB
• an 30-ish, wiley vet backup QB
• an old backup QB
• a former #1 vet backup QB
• a project 3rd stringer

pick one any one

Myself A vet backup who has seen the heat of battle in the NFL and a young QB sitting as the 3rd string who has a chance to develop into more down the road.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Myself A vet backup who has seen the heat of battle in the NFL and a young QB sitting as the 3rd string who has a chance to develop into more down the road.

Fair enough. Brad is not the guy for you and others.

Can you name some backup vets that are on other teams that you would like. That you like what they bring in the backup role for that team.

Yes I am asking serious... not "breaking your chops"

 

[joseephuss]

No one seems to be talking about this, but our backup QB situation is absolutely horrible. I always believe you should have one developmental QB on your roster at all times. Since Dallas cut Matt Moore, they have no one. "Jason's guy" Brad Johnson in the preseason made Vinny Testerverde look young and spry. Dallas better have a priority on scouting the developmental QB's in the draft.

Dallas does have a developmental QB. Bartel is on the practice squad. If Moore had not have been claimed by the Panthers he would have been on the practice squad. Is it a question of having a young developmental QB or just having one that you like? I am not opposed to Dallas adding another one late in this year's draft if a decent prospect is available, but it already looks as if Bartel has some potential.

I did like Moore as well. I think he can be a good one. He probably never would have been the main guy in Dallas, but they could possibly gotten something in return for him someday had they kept him on the roster. I do not think he could have helped Dallas this past season had Romo been injured. Vet Johnson was better in that role as the immediate back up, but Moore could have a good future. Bartel could also have a good future, but we just don't know too much about him at this time. That will hold true for any developmental QB Dallas picks up this year, next year or whenever.

 

[Stautner]

Ok... these posts are just getting more and more spun.

So what do we want? I will play along

• an old, wiley vet backup QB
• an 30-ish, wiley vet backup QB
• an old backup QB
• a former #1 vet backup QB
• a project 3rd stringer

pick one any one

Spun? Wasn't it you that started talking about "major investments" in response to people who never suggested anything of the kind?


But I'll take your question at face value.

Ideally we would have a proven veteran who is still young and athletic enough to make plays. Then, also have a developing young QB to take over as the backup in a year or two.

Obviously we can't always have what is ideal.

The point being discussed is to have a young developing QB who we have faith can make plays and continue to develop rather than year after year having to scramble and find a proven veteran.

The upside to that route is this:

1. We don't end up settling for a guy like Johnson, who has little left in the tank.

2. We are developing someone who may eventually be ready to take the reigns once Romo either gets hurt or loses effectiveness through age or whatever else.

 

[Doomsday101]

Fair enough. Brad is not the guy for you and others.

Can you name some backup vets that are on other teams that you would like. That you like what they bring in the backup role for that team.

Yes I am asking serious... not "breaking your chops"

I don't have a problem with Brad. I'm open to another option should one be on the market who the team feels is better. Right now there is none and I expect Johnson to play out his final year on his contract with the Cowboys.

 

[Stautner]

Dallas does have a developmental QB. Bartel is on the practice squad. If Moore had not have been claimed by the Panthers he would have been on the practice squad. Is it a question of having a young developmental QB or just having one that you like? I am not opposed to Dallas adding another one late in this year's draft if a decent prospect is available, but it already looks as if Bartel has some potential.

I did like Moore as well. I think he can be a good one. He probably never would have been the main guy in Dallas, but they could possibly gotten something in return for him someday had they kept him on the roster. I do not think he could have helped Dallas this past season had Romo been injured. Vet Johnson was better in that role as the immediate back up, but Moore could have a good future. Bartel could also have a good future, but we just don't know too much about him at this time. That will hold true for any developmental QB Dallas picks up this year, next year or whenever.

It does depend on how you feel about Bartell - or more accurately, how the Dallas coaches feel about him. Maybe he is the guy, but I had a lot better feeling about Moore.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think many people have talked about getting another QB or pulling a Ron Wolfe type of deal each year.

Another thing is the scenario that Dallas (the poster not the team) brought up.

If the team normally only wants to carry two QBs to give them extra roster spots in other areas...they wind up trying to hide a guy on the PS and another team comes and snatches him up.

So you have a Starting QB...now if you follow their ideals you either keep a drafted rookie QB or inexp QB as your backup or you keep a Vet with EXP as your backup. While keeping another roster spot open.

Or you do what they do and hope your young QB with no EXP stays on the PS...which does not seem to have worked for them as of late.:laugh1:

 

[joseephuss]

It does depend on how you feel about Bartell - or more accurately, how the Dallas coaches feel about him. Maybe he is the guy, but I had a lot better feeling about Moore.

Between the two I liked Moore more, but I did like what I saw out of both of them.