Dalton is not better than Dak

[Corso]

Dalton was bad.. Zeke screwed the entire team over but Dalton never got it going.

It’s hard to get it going though when Zeke fumbles twice, Gallup drops a TD, Ref doesn’t call an obvious PI.

I love excuses. They cut in so many ways.

 

[Brax]

Lol yeah let’s just throw out the record and not put any evaluation into the play of the QB itself.


What a joke.

Not sure what Dak would of looked like the way the Cards D played, everyone forget the 9 point wonder last year. The game was atrocious and the coaches are to blame for a great deal of it. Dalton looked horrible the D looked horrible, ST looked horrible the OL looked horrible. When all 3 phases play like that it falls on the coaches and everyone should wonder at what type of preperation they had.. Maybe Rodgers was right in his view of MM "McCarthy didn’t have a clue what he was doing" , “Mike has one of the lowest IQs, if not the lowest IQ, of any coach he’s ever had.” also Rodgers complained about the lack of energy on the sideline and the lack of a fear among players that failure to do their jobs will get them fired. The diatribes from both camps will continue and it will get worse with each loss or win. Daltons first full game was just terrible but it's not like it hasn't been seen before and will be seen again regardless of the QB. No matter your view the whole mess lays at one mans feet and we all know who that is, thanks Jerry for another amazing year.

 

[Brax]

Toxic, toxic fanbase.

25 years of Jerry ball does that to fans.

 

[HungryLion]

Not sure what Dak would of looked like the way the Cards D played, everyone forget the 9 point wonder last year. The game was atrocious and the coaches are to blame for a great deal of it. Dalton looked horrible the D looked horrible, ST looked horrible the OL looked horrible. When all 3 phases play like that it falls on the coaches and everyone should wonder at what type of preperation they had.. Maybe Rodgers was right in his view of MM "McCarthy didn’t have a clue what he was doing" , “Mike has one of the lowest IQs, if not the lowest IQ, of any coach he’s ever had.” also Rodgers complained about the lack of energy on the sideline and the lack of a fear among players that failure to do their jobs will get them fired. The diatribes from both camps will continue and it will get worse with each loss or win. Daltons first full game was just terrible but it's not like it hasn't been seen before and will be seen again regardless of the QB. No matter your view the whole mess lays at one mans feet and we all know who that is, thanks Jerry for another amazing year.

You’re right. We will never know for sure how Dak would have fared last night.

I think if you evaluate their actual play. It’s clear Dak is the better QB than Dalton though.

just from watching the two actually play the game.

People who were expecting no drop off from Dak to Dalton are misguided.


Ultimately what does that mean about Dak’s long term value? I don’t know.

I understand people wanting an elite QB. I get it. I would love one too. But some people on this board drastically undersell how hard it is to get very good QB play in this league. There are a ton of highly drafted QB’s that never play at Dak’s current level.

that’s the reality of the league and I’ve been beating that drum for years now.


People think the cowboys can just let Dak walk and easily pick up or draft somebody who will he just as good, if not better than Dak. And it aint that Easy.

 

[Vandyr]

lmao..

We have a bona fide case of cognitive dissonance in action!!

CATCH17 was giddy when Dak went down because we were going to get a REAL QB and were going to be a better team.

Instead of barely losing three games in shootouts we lost by 28 lmao..

and he thinks these things are equal lmao

The two highest rated defenses we've played against so far this season are the Rams and the Cardinals. Both QB's scored 1 TD off 266 passing yards in those two games. One being Dak, the other being Dalton. I don't see much cognitive dissonance here, just reality. How will Dalton do against the bottom feeding defenses Dak usually feeds on?

 

[RonnieT24]

Not sure what Dak would of looked like the way the Cards D played, everyone forget the 9 point wonder last year. The game was atrocious and the coaches are to blame for a great deal of it. Dalton looked horrible the D looked horrible, ST looked horrible the OL looked horrible. When all 3 phases play like that it falls on the coaches and everyone should wonder at what type of preperation they had.. Maybe Rodgers was right in his view of MM "McCarthy didn’t have a clue what he was doing" , “Mike has one of the lowest IQs, if not the lowest IQ, of any coach he’s ever had.” also Rodgers complained about the lack of energy on the sideline and the lack of a fear among players that failure to do their jobs will get them fired. The diatribes from both camps will continue and it will get worse with each loss or win. Daltons first full game was just terrible but it's not like it hasn't been seen before and will be seen again regardless of the QB. No matter your view the whole mess lays at one mans feet and we all know who that is, thanks Jerry for another amazing year.

It's impossible to hold and reasonable discussion if you are not willing to admit two things. 1) Dak is better than he was last year.. A lot better.. this is his second year with Moore and he was playing at a record breaking level before he went down. Now maybe he still has a 9 point stinker game in him but I would not expect to see it at home.. Dak has been pretty lights out at home over the years.. His home record is 24-11 and his passer rating is 101.5 there. 2) The other thing you have to acknowledge is his leadership and energy and the impact it has on this team. He is simply able to rally the troops in a way Dalton couldn't. At least he couldn't last night.

You make a fair point about McCarthy. I'm not seeing any aspect of the game where he is making a difference. I think the year off may have robbed him of HIS fastball as well. NFL sideline is a fast paced high leveraged environment. You have to be quick of mind and decisive there.. I don't see that in McCarthy. I see a guy who is struggling to think of what to do next. Maybe that's just confirmation bias on my part but I will be watching going forward for some signs that he is grabbing this team by the scruff of the neck and aiming it in the right direction. If I don't see it I'm gonna join the fire McCarthy bandwagon.

 

[Brax]

You’re right. We will never know for sure how Dak would have fared last night.

I think if you evaluate their actual play. It’s clear Dak is the better QB than Dalton though.

just from watching the two actually play the game.

People who were expecting no drop off from Dak to Dalton are misguided.

Like I said that's why they play the game, based on Monday night Dak is a better QB based on the play. A clear picture will arise as the year goes on as to how much better he is or isn't, Based on a one game sample and last year Dak is way ahead.

 

[Brax]

You’re right. We will never know for sure how Dak would have fared last night.

I think if you evaluate their actual play. It’s clear Dak is the better QB than Dalton though.

just from watching the two actually play the game.

People who were expecting no drop off from Dak to Dalton are misguided.


Ultimately what does that mean about Dak’s long term value? I don’t know.

I understand people wanting an elite QB. I get it. I would love one too. But some people on this board drastically undersell how hard it is to get very good QB play in this league. There are a ton of highly drafted QB’s that never play at Dak’s current level.

that’s the reality of the league and I’ve been beating that drum for years now.


People think the cowboys can just let Dak walk and easily pick up or draft somebody who will he just as good, if not better than Dak. And it aint that Easy.

Drafting a Great QB doesn't happen very often just look at recent drafts. Just looking that Mahomes went after Tribiskey and Watson should give people a clue as to how hard it is.

 

[Brax]

It's impossible to hold and reasonable discussion if you are not willing to admit two things. 1) Dak is better than he was last year.. A lot better.. this is his second year with Moore and he was playing at a record breaking level before he went down. Now maybe he still has a 9 point stinker game in him but I would not expect to see it at home.. Dak has been pretty lights out at home over the years.. His home record is 24-11 and his passer rating is 101.5 there. 2) The other thing you have to acknowledge is his leadership and energy and the impact it has on this team. He is simply able to rally the troops in a way Dalton couldn't. At least he couldn't last night.

You make a fair point about McCarthy. I'm not seeing any aspect of the game where he is making a difference. I think the year off may have robbed him of HIS fastball as well. NFL sideline is a fast paced high leveraged environment. You have to be quick of mind and decisive there.. I don't see that in McCarthy. I see a guy who is struggling to think of what to do next. Maybe that's just confirmation bias on my part but I will be watching going forward for some signs that he is grabbing this team by the scruff of the neck and aiming it in the right direction. If I don't see it I'm gonna join the fire McCarthy bandwagon.

Read down a few posts.

 

[HungryLion]

Drafting a Great QB doesn't happen very often just look at recent drafts. Just looking that Mahomes went after Tribiskey and Watson should give people a clue as to how hard it is.

Agreed man.

I like Dak. I think Dak is a very good QB.

I don’t think Dak is as good as Mahomes and a few other “elite” QB’s.

but I also know the cowboys could literally spend years and years and years trying to find an elite QB. It’s no small task.

 

[RonnieT24]

The two highest rated defenses we've played against so far this season are the Rams and the Cardinals. Both QB's scored 1 TD off 266 passing yards in those two games. One being Dak, the other being Dalton. I don't see much cognitive dissonance here, just reality. How will Dalton do against the bottom feeding defenses Dak usually feeds on?

LMAO.. you also left out one threw two picks which should have been three.. one was at home .. and one was on the road playing his first game under a new coaching staff with no preseason. Oh yeah.. one guy had his team down 21-3 at the half and the other guy had his team ahead at the half and led the team to 17 points.. until the two time defensive player of the year took over and destroyed the offensive line. Oh and that same guy completed a 50 yard bomb to Gallup that set his team up in easy FG range if not in position to score a TD for an outright win until a very questionable offensive PI call took it away. But yeah.. other than those tiny things no real difference.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

The two highest rated defenses we've played against so far this season are the Rams and the Cardinals. Both QB's scored 1 TD off 266 passing yards in those two games. One being Dak, the other being Dalton. I don't see much cognitive dissonance here, just reality. How will Dalton do against the bottom feeding defenses Dak usually feeds on?

the Cards pass defense was awful coming into this game.

Thanks for displaying cognitive dissonance.

 

[Jake]

Pardon me for stating the obvious but 2 specific members here and others both said they were ok with Dak being hurt because Dalton was an actual starting qb. I’d like to hear everyone’s thoughts on that.

I'd like to think people who say Dalton is better, or even Dak's equal, are joking but it's clear some of them actually believe it. Dak Derangement Syndrome is real.

Dak obviously isn't Mahomes but he's not Andy bleepin' Dalton either.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

LMAO.. you also left out one threw two picks which should have been three.. one was at home .. and one was on the road playing his first game under a new coaching staff with no preseason. Oh yeah.. one guy had his team down 21-3 at the half and the other guy had his team ahead at the half and led the team to 17 points.. until the two time defensive player of the year took over and destroyed the offensive line. Oh and that same guy completed a 50 yard bomb to Gallup that set his team up in easy FG range if not in position to score a TD for an outright win until a very questionable offensive PI call took it away. But yeah.. other than those tiny things no real difference.

Lol the hill these Dak haters are dying on is akin to a mound of mud lmao

 

[Hennessy_King]

Pardon me for stating the obvious but 2 specific members here and others both said they were ok with Dak being hurt because Dalton was an actual starting qb. I’d like to hear everyone’s thoughts on that.

We all knew Dalton wasnt that good. But he has the "look" of a qb to the ppl that dont think dak is any good

 

[CarolinaFathead]

We all knew Dalton wasnt that good. But he has the "look" of a qb to the ppl that dont think dak is any good

Yep...

 

[RonnieT24]

I'm not in the Dalton > Dak camp but come on now.
He wasn't good last night. Nor, really, was anyone.

Just another reminder

• Dak faced one pass defense similar to this one and he put up exactly the same number of yards (266) in a loss, and the team scored 17 points. That was with Martin on the line and having run KM's offense in live games. A Gallup catch in the endzone would've made it 17 last night too....fwiw.

Again, Andy is not Dak, but he is better than what he showed last night.

Uh no.. we kicked the FG after the Gallup play.. so at best it would have been 14. And how is the same yardage on 15 fewer attempts with NO INTs "exactly the same." And while we're playing the "if" game then why not point out that shady PI call against Gallup that cost Dak 50 yards and the ball inside the Rams 30 yard line with time to take a few shots into the end zone and if not successful kick the FG and go into OT on a roll.

 

[the_h0wey]

Pardon me for stating the obvious but 2 specific members here and others both said they were ok with Dak being hurt because Dalton was an actual starting qb. I’d like to hear everyone’s thoughts on that.

Only someone who is stupid actually thought this, and yes I know this applies to several Zone members.

 

[DFWJC]

Uh no.. we kicked the FG after the Gallup play.. so at best it would have been 14. ...

fabulous

 

[RonnieT24]

Agreed man.

I like Dak. I think Dak is a very good QB.

I don’t think Dak is as good as Mahomes and a few other “elite” QB’s.

but I also know the cowboys could literally spend years and years and years trying to find an elite QB. It’s no small task.

I would agree.. Dak is probably behind Mahomes, Rodgers and Wilson. I am not willing to put any other QBs in the current NFL ahead of him. Especially the way he was playing before he got hurt. I think he is every bit as good as Watson and Jackson. The difference is that Dak has only been a "passing" QB since he got to the NFL. We all know he was pretty much a single wing tailback at MSU because that's what Mullen needed him to be in order to carry that team ... The thing that the Dak haters can't admit is that Dak is still improving. He took a huge step forward last year and then another huge step this year. Only a blind man would fail to see it and only an idiot would refuse to admit it. Because Dak is still getting better I don't think we can definitively say he will "never be as good as" so and so. He's already good enough to win a Super Bowl if we could just pair him with an above average defense. By the time he's 30 he could be the best in the game. And he will be all ours.. But there will still be people pining for Romo. Some things never change.