Danielle Hunter

[darthseinfeld]

Seems we are interested. What are your thoughts.

Im somewhat conflicted about this player. Checks off alot of boxes. Excellent run defender, freak athlete, high motor, intense. But he has no pass rush to speak of and his production shows that. Been called a high floor, high ceiling player which is odd, but I can see it in that he will at least give you quality snaps against the run

What do you think, can he be developed into pass rush threat or will he likely be a career 2 down player?

 

[darthseinfeld]

I will say this, I like him much better the Mario Edwards

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

I don't like having to project what guys are capable based on their physical gifts. I'd much rather see college production. Still, if Marinelli is as good as they say he is at getting the best out of guys, Hunter is the kind of raw material you'd like to give him to work with.

 

[tm1119]

Depends what we are talking...at 27? No way. Too much of a projection for a 1st rounder in my eyes. I'm not sure he's such a stout run defender as an NFL DE with his hand on the ground. But at 60? I wouldn't hate it, and yes, I would take him over Edwards as well.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Depends what we are talking...at 27? No way. Too much of a projection for a 1st rounder in my eyes. I'm not sure he's such a stout run defender as an NFL DE with his hand on the ground. But at 60? I wouldn't hate it, and yes, I would take him over Edwards as well.

I would honestly prefer him in the 3rd, but thats just not realistic. I think if they want him they need to take him at 60. He may not even get there

 

[Teague31]

No more LSU players.

 

[reddyuta]

I am extremely wary about guys who cant produce in college,when Michael sam can get 10 plus sacks in the SEC and Hunter has just 4 in his whole career then that is a huge red flag.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm wary.

 

[RS12]

You know what they say about potential 'it got the coach fired". Biggest reason they lost the Packer game is the D Lineman couldnt close the deal. See below: Bob Lilly closing the deal.

 

[xwalker]

Seems we are interested. What are your thoughts.

Im somewhat conflicted about this player. Checks off alot of boxes. Excellent run defender, freak athlete, high motor, intense. But he has no pass rush to speak of and his production shows that. Been called a high floor, high ceiling player which is odd, but I can see it in that he will at least give you quality snaps against the run

What do you think, can he be developed into pass rush threat or will he likely be a career 2 down player?

I watched all of his snaps from 3 games.

What I found was very odd. You have to go through many many snaps before seeing him in an all out pass rush. He plays the run really well. It seems as if they coached him to play the run and not really worry about pass rushing. He almost looks like he is a designated "spy" on the RB. If the RB goes out in a pass patter on his side, he goes with him. Even if the RB just comes up to the line to block, Hunter tends to stay with him just in case. Hunter even appeared to have RB coverage on some plays where the RB leaked out in the middle of the line.

He also appears to play to contain any running to the outside by QBs which is a bigger issue in college than the NFL.

It appears that if there is any chance that a pass will be thrown to his side he is more likely to hold up any pass rush in favor of going for a pass block. I saw him get a few blocked passes.

It is really hard for me to evaluate his pass rush ability because he just didn't go on an all out pass rush often. NFL teams have cut-ups where they can go through and just watch all of his pass rush snaps, but I don't have that.

He appears to have all of the tools that you look for in a pass rusher. He has a quick 1st step, excellent length, super athleticism, etc..

Summary: Generally you would expect a guy with his measurable(s) (6-6, 250, very fast) to be a great pass rusher that struggled to play the run; however, he plays the run really well and shows very good strength/leverage. I didn't see anything to indicate that he can't rush the passer, it just didn't seem to be a big part of what they required of him.

Obviously, he is not a 1st round pick, IMO, but if he is available at #60 you would have to consider it.

Most people are worried about the fact that he only had 4 sacks, but I would be more concerned that he is an LSU DLineman. I don't know if that's a rational concern but those guys worry me just like I never really liked Mack Brown players despite some of them being really good in the NFL.

This is another example of how college stats don't really mean much. It's easy to see why he didn't rack up a lot of sacks just based on how they used him.

 

[tm1119]

Just because I've got nothing to do waiting for this ridiculous Masters TV schedule I'll look at the LSU d lineman drafted in rounds 1-5 from '05-'13

'05- Marcus Spears (1st)
'06- Claude Wroten (3rd), Kyle Williams (5th)
'07- None
'08- Glenn Dorsey (1st)
'09- Tyson Jackson (1st)
'10- Al Woods (4th)
'11- Drake Nevis (3rd)
'12- Brockers (1st)
'13- Mingo (1st), Bennie Logan (3rd), Sam Montgomery (3rd), Lavar Edwards (5th)

1st, not nearly as many as I expected. 2nd, not many good players there aside from Kyle Williams.

 

[jobberone]

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First, Vic Beasley is an elite athlete, but as far as the Giants are concerned, Bud Dupree is an ELITE athlete. His Short Shuttle and 3-cone times keep him from blowing past Beasley, but in terms of pure, down-hill explosiveness -- which as a 270-pound 4-3 defensive end, is what the Giants would want out of him -- Dupree is in a league of his own.

On the other end of things, two players seem remarkably out of place. First is Dante Fowler, a player who is gaining a lot of consideration as the top edge rusher in the draft. His versatility, hustle, and athleticism on tape have drawn rave reviews. To see him as a below average NFL athlete is odd.

Next, and most obvious is Missouri DE/OLB Shane Ray. Ray's 3-cone drill, short shuttle, and jumps heavily penalized him, to the point where he is he is viewed as 50 percent below average athleticism for an NFL player. For a player who's calling card on the field was explosive, dynamic athleticism, this isn't just odd, it is shocking.

And it could enough to scare many people far away from taking Ray.

It should be noted, however, that Ray didn't participate in the Scouting Combine due to a foot injury. His Pro Day performance was different enough from what he showed on tape to raise the question that perhaps his injury wasn't fully healed yet and impacted his performance.

Final Thoughts
But what does it all mean Basil? Well, for my money this is another way to look at the data created by the Combine, and compare across players. But it is also just a tool to confirm what you saw on tape, or go back and take another look. For Bud Dupree, the combine and pSPARQ score confirms what we already knew. He is a rare athlete and when he is allowed to just pin his ears back and rush, Dupree is legitimately explosive. For Ray, the Pro Day results and SPARQ score force us to go back and take another look at his tape. Does that lack of athleticism show up on tape? Or is the problem with the workout?

For me, tape is still King, but tools such as these can help you make sense of it.

http://www.bigblueview.com/2015-nfl...-Draft-SPARQ-Bud-Dupree-Shane-ray-vic-beasley

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http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2015...-defensive-ends-for-the-cowboys-in-2015-draft

I don't have the SPARQ scores on the player in the OP but you can read the first article and calculate it. I'm not sure how they do the production but I remember seeing it somewhere.

 

[jobberone]

DE
DANIELLE HUNTER
LSU SEC

• 4.57 SEC
  Top Performer
• 25 REPS

• 6'5"HEIGHT
• 34 1/4"ARM LENGTH
• 252LBS.WEIGHT
• 10 1/2"HANDS

OVERVIEW

Led LSU with 13 tackles for loss in 2014 and finished with 73 total tackles. In 2013, took over starting job in Week Four and never relinquished role, starting 23 consecutive games. Finished 2013 with three sacks. Was a special-teams demon in 2012. Rated a four-star prospect by Rivals coming out of high school.


PRO DAY RESULTS

Vertical jump: 36 1/2 inches
Broad jump: 10 feet, 10 inches
20-yard short shuttle: 4.47 seconds
Three-cone drill: 6.95 seconds
ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS

Freakish combination of size, athleticism and explosiveness. Has long arms with jarring power behind his hands. When technique is right, he can stack and overpower tackles at point of attack. Fluid and agile in space. Uses length to bat down passes and disrupt the passing lane. Flashes winning spin move in pass rush, but needs to learn to set it up better. Uses arm-over inside move to set up tackles for loss. High-end tackle production for his position. Secondary motor to pursue and speed to chase leads to more tackle opportunities. Lead all SEC defensive linemen in "stuffs" (tackles for no gain or loss of yards) with 17. Active and energetic at all times. Continues to work to improve position vs. run and pass. Off-field character considered "squeaky clean" by NFL scouts. Has speed and agility to become special-teams star early in his career.
WEAKNESSES
Relies heavily on his athleticism and motor over skill and instincts. Pass-rush production doesn't match the traits. Played 80 percent of the defensive snaps in 2014, managing just 1.5 sacks. Doesn't have the upfield burst and bend to turn the corner. Considered a "thinker" as a pass rusher rather than a naturally instinctive reactor. Must show he can effectively counter as a pass rusher. Has winning power in hands, but inconsistent with how he uses them against run and pass. Scouts want to see more competitive nastiness from him.
SOURCES TELL US
"If he walked into your living room, your eyes would pop out of your head. He looks that good on the hoof. He's going to blow up the combine, and then ace all of the interviews and NFL teams are going to fall in love with him. He still needs someone to unlock all that talent, though." -- Former LSU coach

Hunter wows scouts with dazzling pro-day display

• Hunter dined with Steelers' Tomlin before pro day

• 11 edge rushers in demand despite mixed production

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/danielle-hunter?id=2552603
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The video of the 40 at he combine gives you an idea what this guy looks like. He looks like a 3-4 OLB or monster Mike to me. He certainly could be drafted for 4-3 DE.

 

[XDez88BeastX]

I am hoping we can get him at 60 & play him at Sam Linebacker the same way Minnesota uses Barr. I think he would be perfect there. Just my opinion though.

 

[jobberone]

I am hoping we can get him at 60 & play him at Sam Linebacker the same way Minnesota uses Barr. I think he would be perfect there. Just my opinion though.

You may very well be right about him playing LB. Don't see him as a Will but certainly Sam and Mike are possibilities.

 

[reddyuta]

I am hoping we can get him at 60 & play him at Sam Linebacker the same way Minnesota uses Barr. I think he would be perfect there. Just my opinion though.

Somebody is going to take him before us.

 

[xwalker]

I am hoping we can get him at 60 & play him at Sam Linebacker the same way Minnesota uses Barr. I think he would be perfect there. Just my opinion though.

That is normally something you might consider with some smallish pass rushers that would have problems playing the run as a full time 4-3 DE like Bruce Irvin. Hunter does not have a problem playing the run and he would have a lot to learn in terms of playing coverage.

 

[Risen Star]

I don't know if I want to follow up the selection of Gurley with a guy named Danielle.

 

[jobberone]

That is normally something you might consider with some smallish pass rushers that would have problems playing the run as a full time 4-3 DE like Bruce Irvin. Hunter does not have a problem playing the run and he would have a lot to learn in terms of playing coverage.

Some difficulties but most athletic guys can learn if they have it upstairs. He may not be athletic enough to play it but all you can do is try it. You try pass rush first and then I'd play him as a Joker or Jack next. He still has to cover on passing downs even if they might be 1st or 2nd down. The guy just looks like a LB.

 

[RS12]

I got a feeling Shane Ray might be in the green room longer than anticipated.