Danny before Troy, Tony before Dakota

joseephuss said:
But Danny didn't start any games in 1988. He just did a little back up duty.
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Yeah that's right......I remember when Michael Irvin was drafted, he said he would put Danny White in the Pro Bowl, only for Danny to be holding a clipboard.
 
KJJ said:
Everyone from Don Meredith, Craig Morton, Danny White to Tony Romo had their chances to win a championship. As productive as Romo has been we've gotten closer to winning championships with the other QBs who missed out. Only 2 playoff wins with Romo and never got past the second of the playoffs with him. Not trying to put all the blame on him but he has to shoulder some of the blame being the starting QB. I'm looking forward to the Dak Prescott era.
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The quarterback is not the whole problem. Romo is a Great QB esp. the last three years or so. The fact that he's gotten hurt has messed up his success somewhat team wise. Troy as good as he was didn't win those superbowls by himself and neither did Roger. I've watched them all. I'm here to tell you Danny White was a really good QB, the team starting sucking bad after Roger because of a lack of talent. and every year it got worse. Football is a team sport not an individual. Romo spent the first part of his career having to run from pressure because we had such a bad OL it's only since we've rebuilt this line the last three years that we now are cooking with gas. Dak is the lucky recipient of that. I like Dak but don't care to hear Dak supporters trying to diss Romo over issues that clearly don't address all the pertinent areas that affect the W/L column. Go look at Romo's Rating the last few years and try to tell me he's the reason we're superbowless. How about the officiating on the Dez Catch? Everyone has a part in us not having a superbowl, mostly management.
 
lockster said:
The quarterback is not the whole problem. Romo is a Great QB esp. the last three years or so. The fact that he's gotten hurt has messed up his success somewhat team wise. Troy as good as he was didn't win those superbowls by himself and neither did Roger. I've watched them all. I'm here to tell you Danny White was a really good QB, the team starting sucking bad after Roger because of a lack of talent. and every year it got worse. Football is a team sport not an individual. Romo spent the first part of his career having to run from pressure because we had such a bad OL it's only since we've rebuilt this line the last three years that we now are cooking with gas. Dak is the lucky recipient of that. I like Dak but don't care to hear Dak supporters trying to diss Romo over issues that clearly don't address all the pertinent areas that affect the W/L column. Go look at Romo's Rating the last few years and try to tell me he's the reason we're superbowless. How about the officiating on the Dez Catch? Everyone has a part in us not having a superbowl, mostly management.
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Never said the QB was the whole problem but the one thing that Meredith, Morton, White and Romo have in common is turnovers especially at the most inopportune time. Meredith tossed an INT against the Packers in a playoff game that helped cost the Cowboys that game. It wasn't all his fault because the wrong players were on the field but he tossed a pick in the endzone and it cost the team. He quit football primarily because of all the booing from fans being down on him. Craig Morton tossed a pick in SB V at the worst possible time and it helped cost the Cowboys that game. He had turnover issues throughout his career. Danny White had turnover issues and most will remember him for the fumble vs SF in the 81 NFC title game in the final 30 seconds. Romo has had turnover issues and will be best remembered for the bobbled snap in Seattle that helped cost the Cowboys a playoff game. I'm certainly not putting all the blame on those QBs but show me a turnover prone QB and I'll show you a QB that probably doesn't have a ring other than Brett Favre and he can thank Drew Bledsoe's 4 INT's for the only SB he won.

Roger Staubach changed the Cowboys luck when he came along because he was clutch and made the players around him better. He was special especially when games were on the line and the team believed in him. Dak has shown the ability to be clutch and make the players around him better. He seems to embrace pressure not fold under it. Rarely do you see a rookie QB bring a team from behind by 2 scores against a defense with a fierce pass rush but he did it against Philly. He played his best football when the game was on the line. That really showed me that there's something special with him. No QB wins games on their own, they all have help but when games come down to crunch time the great ones make plays. I'm not saying we haven't won a SB because of Romo but his turnovers haven't helped. The primary reason we haven't won a SB with him is the defense that's put games on his shoulders. Romo's been a very good QB but he's had a large number of turnovers in do or die games.

Staubach had the Hail Mary and Aikman had the slant to Harper but Romo and the rest of the Cowboys QBs haven't been known to make that type of play in the real big moment. Dak to me seems like he's going to be that special QB we've been looking for. I see something with him that I haven't seen since the days of Staubach and Aikman. I never got the impression the team or the majority of fans believed in Romo when the games mattered most because of his turnover history in big games. Dak doesn't appear to be a QB that's going to have that kind of problem. Like I said he seems to embrace pressure and you could clearly see it against the Packers at Lambeau and the come from behind win vs Philly. He really impressed me with the poise and leadership he showed in those games. I'm just loving what I'm seeing with this kid and I've been watching the Cowboys since the 71 season.
 
KJJ said:
Never said the QB was the whole problem but the one thing that Meredith, Morton, White and Romo have in common is turnovers especially at the most inopportune time. Meredith tossed an INT against the Packers in a playoff game that helped cost the Cowboys that game. It wasn't all his fault because the wrong players were on the field but he tossed a pick in the endzone and it cost the team. He quit football primarily because of all the booing from fans being down on him. Craig Morton tossed a pick in SB V at the worst possible time and it helped cost the Cowboys that game. He had turnover issues throughout his career. Danny White had turnover issues and most will remember him for the fumble vs SF in the 81 NFC title game in the final 30 seconds. Romo has had turnover issues and will be best remembered for the bobbled snap in Seattle that helped cost the Cowboys a playoff game. I'm certainly not putting all the blame on those QBs but show me a turnover prone QB and I'll show you a QB that probably doesn't have a ring other than Brett Favre and he can thank Drew Bledsoe's 4 INT's for the only SB he won.

Roger Staubach changed the Cowboys luck when he came along because he was clutch and made the players around him better. He was special especially when games were on the line and the team believed in him. Dak has shown the ability to be clutch and make the players around him better. He seems to embrace pressure not fold under it. Rarely do you see a rookie QB bring a team from behind by 2 scores against a defense with a fierce pass rush but he did it against Philly. He played his best football when the game was on the line. That really showed me that there's something special with him. No QB wins games on their own, they all have help but when games come down to crunch time the great ones make plays. I'm not saying we haven't won a SB because of Romo but his turnovers haven't helped. The primary reason we haven't won a SB with him is the defense that's put games on his shoulders. Romo's been a very good QB but he's had a large number of turnovers in do or die games.

Staubach had the Hail Mary and Aikman had the slant to Harper but Romo and the rest of the Cowboys QBs haven't been known to make that type of play in the real big moment. Dak to me seems like he's going to be that special QB we've been looking for. I see something with him that I haven't seen since the days of Staubach and Aikman. I never got the impression the team or the majority of fans believed in Romo when the games mattered most because of his turnover history in big games. Dak doesn't appear to be a QB that's going to have that kind of problem. Like I said he seems to embrace pressure and you could clearly see it against the Packers at Lambeau and the come from behind win vs Philly. He really impressed me with the poise and leadership he showed in those games. I'm just loving what I'm seeing with this kid and I've been watching the Cowboys since the 71 season.
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This illustrates my point about quarterbacks not being responsible for wins and losses. Don Meredith through that costly interception on the last play of the '66 NFL championship game, but nobody ever mentions that he had linebacker Dave Robinson draped all over him. That interception was hardly Meredith's fault.

See interception Morton through in super bowl V bounced off the hands of Dan Reeves. It should have been a completion.

All people will talk about are the two turnovers… In my opinion neither was the fault of either quarterback.
 
rpntex said:
This illustrates my point about quarterbacks not being responsible for wins and losses. Don Meredith through that costly interception on the last play of the '66 NFL championship game, but nobody ever mentions that he had linebacker Dave Robinson draped all over him. That interception was hardly Meredith's fault.

See interception Morton through in super bowl V bounced off the hands of Dan Reeves. It should have been a completion.

All people will talk about are the two turnovers… In my opinion neither was the fault of either quarterback.
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Neither pick was the fault of either QB but both Meredith and Morton had more INT's in the playoffs than TD's and so did Danny White. Most associate those QBs with mistakes because they made some mistakes in big games and none won a championship. A championship can erase some bad plays from the memories of some. People talk about the turnovers that happen in the biggest of games because everyone is watching. Those games go into time capsules and make legends and goats out of players. No one would remember Romo's bobbled snap if it happened in week 5 of the regular season and not in a playoff game. No one would remember Jackie Smith's drop if it happened in week 3 and not in the SB.

No one would remember Danny White's fumble if it happened in week 6 and not in the NFC title game with game on the line. The Hail Mary wouldn't be one of the most iconic plays in NFL history if didn't happen in a playoff game. Bad plays happen every week but it's the magnitude of the games they happen in that make them memorable. No one would remember the 2 poor plays by Leon Lett if one didn't happen on Thanksgiving day when everyone was watching and the other didn't happen in the SB. Some people think he was a bad player because those were the only plays he's known for.
 
Most of the blame for Morton's pick in SB V goes on Dan Reeves who's SB jinx carried on with him as a head coach. Don't think any player/coach was involved in more SB/championship losses than him with the Cowboys,/Broncos and Falcons.
 
Danny White was an elite QB for most of his career. One of the best starters in an era where the league had some of the greatest QBs of all time - a lot more good QBs than today.

I can see the comparisons between him and Romo. However, as good as Tony was, I'd still give White a slight edge.

I don't agree the transition between Romo and Dak compares with White (via Pelleur) to Aikman.

As good as White was, Aikman was better. Aikman looked like an elite future HOF player the moment he stepped on the field, in spite of being on the weakest team in the league.
 
KJJ said:
Never said the QB was the whole problem but the one thing that Meredith, Morton, White and Romo have in common is turnovers especially at the most inopportune time. Meredith tossed an INT against the Packers in a playoff game that helped cost the Cowboys that game. It wasn't all his fault because the wrong players were on the field but he tossed a pick in the endzone and it cost the team. He quit football primarily because of all the booing from fans being down on him. Craig Morton tossed a pick in SB V at the worst possible time and it helped cost the Cowboys that game. He had turnover issues throughout his career. Danny White had turnover issues and most will remember him for the fumble vs SF in the 81 NFC title game in the final 30 seconds. Romo has had turnover issues and will be best remembered for the bobbled snap in Seattle that helped cost the Cowboys a playoff game. I'm certainly not putting all the blame on those QBs but show me a turnover prone QB and I'll show you a QB that probably doesn't have a ring other than Brett Favre and he can thank Drew Bledsoe's 4 INT's for the only SB he won.

Roger Staubach changed the Cowboys luck when he came along because he was clutch and made the players around him better. He was special especially when games were on the line and the team believed in him. Dak has shown the ability to be clutch and make the players around him better. He seems to embrace pressure not fold under it. Rarely do you see a rookie QB bring a team from behind by 2 scores against a defense with a fierce pass rush but he did it against Philly. He played his best football when the game was on the line. That really showed me that there's something special with him. No QB wins games on their own, they all have help but when games come down to crunch time the great ones make plays. I'm not saying we haven't won a SB because of Romo but his turnovers haven't helped. The primary reason we haven't won a SB with him is the defense that's put games on his shoulders. Romo's been a very good QB but he's had a large number of turnovers in do or die games.

Staubach had the Hail Mary and Aikman had the slant to Harper but Romo and the rest of the Cowboys QBs haven't been known to make that type of play in the real big moment. Dak to me seems like he's going to be that special QB we've been looking for. I see something with him that I haven't seen since the days of Staubach and Aikman. I never got the impression the team or the majority of fans believed in Romo when the games mattered most because of his turnover history in big games. Dak doesn't appear to be a QB that's going to have that kind of problem. Like I said he seems to embrace pressure and you could clearly see it against the Packers at Lambeau and the come from behind win vs Philly. He really impressed me with the poise and leadership he showed in those games. I'm just loving what I'm seeing with this kid and I've been watching the Cowboys since the 71 season.
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This should be bronzed and mounted.
While it's not all on the quarterback he is one of two players that touch the ball every offensive play one of them is a grunt.
While a quarterback can't win a game by himself he can certainly play a large part in a win or loss .
like a couple years ago when we played the Commanders to decide who is going to the playoffs Tony cost us the game there's no denying it.
 
KJJ said:
Never said the QB was the whole problem but the one thing that Meredith, Morton, White and Romo have in common is turnovers especially at the most inopportune time. Meredith tossed an INT against the Packers in a playoff game that helped cost the Cowboys that game. It wasn't all his fault because the wrong players were on the field but he tossed a pick in the endzone and it cost the team. He quit football primarily because of all the booing from fans being down on him. Craig Morton tossed a pick in SB V at the worst possible time and it helped cost the Cowboys that game. He had turnover issues throughout his career. Danny White had turnover issues and most will remember him for the fumble vs SF in the 81 NFC title game in the final 30 seconds. Romo has had turnover issues and will be best remembered for the bobbled snap in Seattle that helped cost the Cowboys a playoff game. I'm certainly not putting all the blame on those QBs but show me a turnover prone QB and I'll show you a QB that probably doesn't have a ring other than Brett Favre and he can thank Drew Bledsoe's 4 INT's for the only SB he won.

Roger Staubach changed the Cowboys luck when he came along because he was clutch and made the players around him better. He was special especially when games were on the line and the team believed in him. Dak has shown the ability to be clutch and make the players around him better. He seems to embrace pressure not fold under it. Rarely do you see a rookie QB bring a team from behind by 2 scores against a defense with a fierce pass rush but he did it against Philly. He played his best football when the game was on the line. That really showed me that there's something special with him. No QB wins games on their own, they all have help but when games come down to crunch time the great ones make plays. I'm not saying we haven't won a SB because of Romo but his turnovers haven't helped. The primary reason we haven't won a SB with him is the defense that's put games on his shoulders. Romo's been a very good QB but he's had a large number of turnovers in do or die games.

Staubach had the Hail Mary and Aikman had the slant to Harper but Romo and the rest of the Cowboys QBs haven't been known to make that type of play in the real big moment. Dak to me seems like he's going to be that special QB we've been looking for. I see something with him that I haven't seen since the days of Staubach and Aikman. I never got the impression the team or the majority of fans believed in Romo when the games mattered most because of his turnover history in big games. Dak doesn't appear to be a QB that's going to have that kind of problem. Like I said he seems to embrace pressure and you could clearly see it against the Packers at Lambeau and the come from behind win vs Philly. He really impressed me with the poise and leadership he showed in those games. I'm just loving what I'm seeing with this kid and I've been watching the Cowboys since the 71 season.
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noshame said:
This should be bronzed and mounted.
While it's not all on the quarterback he is one of two players that touch the ball every offensive play one of them is a grunt.
While a quarterback can't win a game by himself he can certainly play a large part in a win or loss .
like a couple years ago when we played the Commanders to decide who is going to the playoffs Tony cost us the game there's no denying it.
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This is a truth that can be.... well....

A.) what have you done for me lately (Romo wins SB)

or

B.) People really only remember your last thing (if it was great)

Like Elway... he lost 3 Superbowls by massive blowouts.... all three... but Broncos fans say crap like, after a loss.... "we are so used to winning... it's ok, you can have that one" it's ridiculous.


My point. Elway is a legend because of the 90s SBs. That would not have been the case if Terrell Davis didn't happen along.

I know,,, I lived in Colorado during his colossal collapses.
 
REDVOLUTION said:
i am on record that I want Romo to get his Super Bowl.

I do wonder if this has parallels of sorts....

Success with Danny = no prize though
Troy arrives = leaves with 3 Superbowls

Success with Romo = TBD... Tic toc... tic toc...
Dak arrives = TDB
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There is the small detail of the hershel walker trade. what might Danny White have done with that talent?
 
REDVOLUTION said:
This is a truth that can be.... well....

A.) what have you done for me lately (Romo wins SB)

or

B.) People really only remember your last thing (if it was great)

Like Elway... he lost 3 Superbowls by massive blowouts.... all three... but Broncos fans say crap like, after a loss.... "we are so used to winning... it's ok, you can have that one" it's ridiculous.


My point. Elway is a legend because of the 90s SBs. That would not have been the case if Terrell Davis didn't happen along.

I know,,, I lived in Colorado during his colossal collapses.
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I actually liked elway in the early years when he was running all over the place launching rockets lol
 
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