Darn

[LittleBoyBlue]

Thank you ESPN.

You can by me a beer when Jerry makes the announcement during the 2nd week of the SuperBowl.

Deal?

I will do the same.... if............ lol... I cant even say it.

 

[Anjinsan]

You can by me a beer when Jerry makes the announcement during the 2nd week of the SuperBowl.

Deal?

I will do the same.... if............ lol... I cant even say it.

lol. You are misguided.

 

[Pokeness]

Jeff Fisher

 

[dbair1967]

x2

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[wileedog]

If jerry hires gruden or even fisher at this point over garrett I am going to be very disgruntled.

Yeah, why hire a guy who has been to or won the Superbowl over someone with 7 games of head coaching experience?

I can see having a preference, but being 'disgruntled' over it?

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah, why hire a guy who has been to or won the Superbowl over someone with 7 games of head coaching experience?

I can see having a preference, but being 'disgruntled' over it?

So by your argument, maybe Jones should consider Barry Switzer too?

Just because a guy won a super bowl, doesnt make them the be all end all.

Cowher didnt win a super bowl IMO, the league awarded him one.

 

[gimmesix]

Jerry is sure to find someway to screw it all up.

Then watch Jason lead another team to the Super Bowl.

Don't forget:
New Orleans, super Bowl champs, former Cowboy coach
Kansas City, biggest turnaround, former Cowboy coach

Jason probably said something that hurt poor Jerry's ego...something like "Back me up on this, Jerry!"

I'm sure Jerry's hearing those "voices."

I remain very doubtful that Jones would just give Garrett an eight-game tryout with a team that was 1-7. I'm fairly certain he'll give him a year with Garrett's handpicked coordinators and a healthy Romo before even really considering moving on.

 

[wileedog]

So by your argument, maybe Jones should consider Barry Switzer too?.

Really? That's you're argument?

Gruden built a Raiders team from garbage into a contender, and won a SB with a Tampa team that didn't have a whole more talent than this one.

Say what you want about Cowher but his teams contended more often than not.

Do you really want to compare resumes to Jason?

 

[dbair1967]

Really? That's you're argument?

Gruden built a Raiders team from garbage into a contender, and won a SB with a Tampa team that didn't have a whole more talent than this one.

Say what you want about Cowher but his teams contended more often than not.

Do you really want to compare resumes to Jason?

I just dont want a retread. And I've always thought Cowher was vastly overrated. I'd probably prefer Gruden to him, though I wonder about the switch to a totally different style of passing game, considering how good our QB is under the current one.

As for building teams, niether has ever proven they can build anything. Niether had total power over personnel decisions and alot of decisions they did have hands in went bad.

 

[gimmesix]

Niether had total power over personnel decisions and alot of decisions they did have hands in went bad.

That's the main worry I have with Garrett. He's the guy who went to bat for Brad Johnson when fans could see Johnson clearly didn't have it anymore.

I don't trust his opinion in that area of the operation.

 

[dbair1967]

That's the main worry I have with Garrett. He's the guy who went to bat for Brad Johnson when fans could see Johnson clearly didn't have it anymore.

I don't trust his opinion in that area of the operation.

Its been widely reported though that he wanted Kerry Collins before Brad Johnson, but Collins decided to stay in Tennessee. IIRC he even took less money to stay there because of his family and his love for the area.

Its hard for me to kill the guy over this when 1) its widely reported he wanted somebody else 2) Brad Johnson was a proven veteran backup, with alot of experience in his style offense and 3) we dont know who else (other than Collins) was a real option.

 

[wileedog]

I just dont want a retread.

Whatever, I'm tired of the term, and I think its ridiculously over-used here.

And I've always thought Cowher was vastly overrated.

I'm actually not a Cowher fan either. But again, to compare his resume to Garrett's is ludicrous.

I'd probably prefer Gruden to him, though I wonder about the switch to a totally different style of passing game, considering how good our QB is under the current one.

Actually I've always liked the idea of Romo in a WCO style system. Downfield is not his forte. Most of all I think Gruden would get way more out of him than Garrett.

As for building teams, niether has ever proven they can build anything. Niether had total power over personnel decisions and alot of decisions they did have hands in went bad.

What exactly has Garrett had power over? And what personnel decisions has he made the past few years or even since he took over that lead you to believe he is any better?

My point is not that Gruden or Cowher or another 'retread' are the only answer. But to be "disgruntled" because we brought in a top of the line coach over a guy with 4 total season's of ANY coaching experience and no track record worth a damn is just silly. I like what Jason has done for the most part, but he certainly isn't screaming THE ANSWER at this point.

 

[cowboyeric8]

I'm actually not a Cowher fan either. But again, to compare his resume to Garrett's is ludicrous.

So if you ran a business you would never hire an inteligent up and coming young guy, but rather hire an older guy who has retired once and only was successful once just because he has experience?

If this was your line of thinking young people would never have a job.

 

[wileedog]

So if you ran a business you would never hire an inteligent up and coming young guy, but rather hire an older guy who has retired once and only was successful once just because he has experience?

If this was your line of thinking young people would never have a job.

So in your line of thinking you should only hire young people who have never proved anything?

Any company who has the opportunity and resources to hire a guy considered one of the top of his field will typically jump at it.

And also to reiterate, comparing regular business practices to the NFL is stupid.

 

[gimmesix]

Its been widely reported though that he wanted Kerry Collins before Brad Johnson, but Collins decided to stay in Tennessee. IIRC he even took less money to stay there because of his family and his love for the area.

Its hard for me to kill the guy over this when 1) its widely reported he wanted somebody else 2) Brad Johnson was a proven veteran backup, with alot of experience in his style offense and 3) we dont know who else (other than Collins) was a real option.

I'm not killing him over it, just wary of him on personnel decisions because of that and a few other offensive choices he likely had a hand in. Considering Ciskowski (and his staff) and Jones are the main men on the trigger during the draft, it's not a big sticking point, but it would be nice to have a head coach (and coaching staff) who can give valued input. Not saying Garrett can't, just that I haven't seen evidence that he can.

 

[cowboyeric8]

So in your line of thinking you should only hire young people who have never proved anything?

Any company who has the opportunity and resources to hire a guy considered one of the top of his field will typically jump at it.

And also to reiterate, comparing regular business practices to the NFL is stupid.

Meh, its still a business.

Tell that to the New Orleans Saints. And don't give me that crap about him being a better candidate, hindsight is 20/20

I believe Garrett can get the job done, he has had very few games and inherited a team that was in shambles without a franchise QB. Give him an offseason. If he sucks next year go out and get your pointless big name coach. Coachs that mind you had years to get their super bowl win.

 

[wileedog]

Meh, its still a business.

Its a position with 32 openings in the entire world. To compare it to an opening as a travelling vacuum cleaner salesman is ridiculous.

Tell that to the New Orleans Saints. And don't give me that crap about him being a better candidate, hindsight is 20/20

Do you understand how much more experience and pedigree Payton had than Garrett does right now?

I believe Garrett can get the job done, he has had very few games and inherited a team that was in shambles without a franchise QB. Give him an offseason. If he sucks next year go out and get your pointless big name coach. Coachs that mind you had years to get their super bowl win.

He may. I was all for him taking over for Wade. But I think too many people are not understanding just how little he actually has done, or discounting the fact that a 'retread' could easily have come in here and done what he has done to date.

I'm not rooting against Jason by any stretch. But I ain't gonna cry if we bring a someone who has actually accomplished something in here either. Just get the best coach and stop worrying about labels like 'retread.'

 

[KJJ]

Jerry Jones said on NFL Network that he enjoys a challenge and there's never been a head coach who won a Super Bowl with 2 different teams. He also questioned Garrett's head coaching experience.

Jerry is big on having an experienced head coach so anyone who thinks Garrett is a lock for next year better think again. It's clear from Jerry's pre game comments that Garrett is far from a lock and the loss today just hurt his chances even more.

 

[dbair1967]

Jerry is big on having an experienced head coach so anyone who thinks Garrett is a lock for next year better think again. It's clear from Jerry's pre game comments that Garrett is far from a lock and the loss today may prove to be his undoing.

I dont know how Jones would peg todays loss on Garrett, or why it would weigh heavily on his decision to keep him as HC or let him go elsewhere.

That said, I dont think Jones has his mind made up on what he will do one way or another.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Its a position with 32 openings in the entire world. To compare it to an opening as a travelling vacuum cleaner salesman is ridiculous.



Do you understand how much more experience and pedigree Payton had than Garrett does right now?



He may. I was all for him taking over for Wade. But I think too many people are not understanding just how little he actually has done, or discounting the fact that a 'retread' could easily have come in here and done what he has done to date.

I'm not rooting against Jason by any stretch. But I ain't gonna cry if we bring a someone who has actually accomplished something in here either. Just get the best coach and stop worrying about labels like 'retread.'

Payton's pedigree compares to Garrett's, they aren't all that different. Yes Payton is better and at the time of his hire was, I'm not arguing.

Thats just fine. I'm not exactly against an older coach. I just really am not impressed with Cowher, Gruden, and especially not Fisher. And I just believe that Garrett has what it takes. And if we hire one of them I hope he does well. I just think Garrett can get it done.

Differing opinions, thats fine, thats what this board is all aobut. I'm not discrediting anything you have said, it is very accurate.