David Irving 2nd round tender

[DHCBF66]

Say someone signs Irving away from the Cowboys, what to do with the extra 2nd? Use it to move up in the 1st? Keep it, use it for defense? TE? WR? LBer? So many options....

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Will we get the compensatory 2nd rd pick for this draft or the 2019?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He hasn't been tendered yet.

 

[xwalker]

Will we get the compensatory 2nd rd pick for this draft or the 2019?

It's not called a compensatory pick in regards to someone signing an RFA away. It's a direct pick from that that team.

 

[Biggems]

It's not called a compensatory pick in regards to someone signing an RFA away. It's a direct pick from that that team.

Yep and hopefully a team of suck, like Cleveland, so the pick will be high....

 

[TasteMyScythe]

I think if any team decides to give us a 2nd round pick for him it will be the Colts...they qualify as a team of suck. They are returning to a 43 defense and they don't have the personnel to do it, so they are going to be busy in FA and the draft to get what they need to start a transformation.

 

[jterrell]

Teams tender in early March as the league season opens.
RFA's can negotiate with other teams until mid-April.
Teams that forfeit picks do so this year unless compensation is adjusted via trade/negotiation.

If a team does NOT have a RD2 pick they'd be forfeiting their RD1 pick. --teams can trade for picks to use --BUT it has to your pick or higher
A team can NOT trade for pick 32 in a round and use that pick to meet tender requirement.

 

[jterrell]

I think if any team decides to give us a 2nd round pick for him it will be the Colts...they qualify as a team of suck. They are returning to a 43 defense and they don't have the personnel to do it, so they are going to be busy in FA and the draft to get what they need to start a transformation.

Very, very unlikely.

If a team were to sign Irving it'd almost certainly be a team that picks very low in the round and feels they are close to a Super Bowl.
The double whammy of lost pick and high salary it just nasty.
You don't do that on a rebuilding team.
But you might on a playoff team looking for one final push who has plenty of picks but those picks aren't top 20 per round.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Will we get the compensatory 2nd rd pick for this draft or the 2019?

Not so, when another team signs a restricted player from a team the team gets the actual pick for that years draft not compensatory pick. it's not a compensatory pick because not every team gets them and certainly not every team gets a 2nd round compensatory pick and the compensation for signing a restricted free agent is the pick in the up coming draft that year.
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[jterrell]

From wikipedia...
RFA stuff that is useful....

Examples of possible outcomes
In addition to the following outcomes, if a player does not receive an offer sheet from his original team, he becomes an unrestricted free agent. If a player signs the offer sheet from his original team, he remains with that team.

• Team declining to match offer sheet. Carolina Panthers cornerback Ricky Manning, Jr. was a restricted free agent in the 2006 offseason. Based on the tender placed on Manning by the Panthers, the team would receive a third-round pick in the NFL Draft if Manning signed with another team. On April 21, the Chicago Bears signed Manning to an offer sheet - a five-year contract worth up to $23 million. Although the Panthers had a full week to decide if they wanted to match the offer sheet, they announced on April 24 that they would not match. At this time, Manning became a member of the Bears and the Panthers received a third-round draft choice in the 2006 draft from Chicago.
• Team matching offer sheet. Arizona Cardinals offensive guard Reggie Wells was a restricted free agent in the 2006 offseason. On March 17, the Buffalo Bills signed him to an offer sheet - a five-year deal worth approximately $18 million. Four days later on March 21, the Cardinals matched the Bills' offer sheet for Wells, and he reverted to the Cardinals.
• Team consummating a trade. The Miami Dolphins offered wide receiver Wes Welker a second-round tender in 2007. Although it was widely rumored that the New England Patriots would offer Welker a seven-year, $35 million deal, the Patriots ultimately traded their second- and seventh-round draft picks to the Dolphins for Welker, signing Welker to a five-year, $18 million contract

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These useful outcomes are why you tender him an R2. The pressure in on everyone BUT YOU.
The agent must go find teams to compete and give him a massive deal.
Irving must settle and sign a deal he may well have to live under for 5+ seasons.
The offering team must have the pick to offer THEN hope you don't match or offer a structure you can not match. --thus why the Pats threw in a rd 7 pick as sweetener so they could offer a reasonable contract for Welker and have it not matched.

 

[Knotamus]

Going back to the OP original question. If Irving is picked up by someone for a 2nd tender.. I believe that pick would almost certainly be used for defense. Our team would be minus a DT and we already could use another.. including a FS and a couple LBers.

Side note: I wouldn’t be upset if someone took Irving either. As talented as he is, make no mistake..he’s a beast, he seems to be a ticking time bomb. Not to mention his concussion concerns, I just don’t think it would be wise to invest long term. Get as much play out of him as you can or get something for him

 

[jterrell]

One discussed suitor is the Tennessee Titans, they have pick 57 of RD2 and could use a young interior guy with Irving's pass rush ability.

For sake of the OPs thread:
With pick 57 added to the arsenal I'd very very intrigued about moving up if a guy I felt was elite was falling.
If Nelson was at pick 12? I'd seriously consider a trade for him. 19+57 gets you right in that 12/13 range.
Nick Chubb would be a similar deal for me.

Remove Nelson/Chubb and it is Derwin James? I'd go up a couple spots with a RD4 and RD5.

Trading up is very seldom a good bet but this year so many QBs will be overdrafted you get 4-5 free slots anyway. If I can get a guy top 5 on the team draft board at 12-13? Yup. Top 7-8 at 16? Yup.

I don't need 11 draft picks this year so I'd gladly move up in the right situation but it doesn't have to be for an RD1 guy.
For instance:
R1 19: Maurice Hurst
R2 50: Will Hernandez
R2 57: James Washington(insert your WR choice here)
R3 70: trade up here for a guy ranked about 50th on my board but fell... Dallas Goedert TE --used 2 4th and a 5th.
R3 81: Josey Jewell

 

[gjkoeppen]

One discussed suitor is the Tennessee Titans, they have pick 57 of RD2 and could use a young interior guy with Irving's pass rush ability.

For sake of the OPs thread:
With pick 57 added to the arsenal I'd very very intrigued about moving up if a guy I felt was elite was falling.
If Nelson was at pick 12? I'd seriously consider a trade for him. 19+57 gets you right in that 12/13 range.
Nick Chubb would be a similar deal for me.

Remove Nelson/Chubb and it is Derwin James? I'd go up a couple spots with a RD4 and RD5.

Trading up is very seldom a good bet but this year so many QBs will be overdrafted you get 4-5 free slots anyway. If I can get a guy top 5 on the team draft board at 12-13? Yup. Top 7-8 at 16? Yup.

I don't need 11 draft picks this year so I'd gladly move up in the right situation but it doesn't have to be for an RD1 guy.
For instance:
R1 19: Maurice Hurst
R2 50: Will Hernandez
R2 57: James Washington(insert your WR choice here)
R3 70: trade up here for a guy ranked about 50th on my board but fell... Dallas Goedert TE --used 2 4th and a 5th.
R3 81: Josey Jewell

With all the needs this team has I'm opposed to any projected draft that trades away any picks. If there never was a late round or undrafted player to be a Pro Bowler of All Pro than fine use the late round picks but since there has and with all of the needs this team has to give up even the chance of finding the next All Pro late in the draft is foolish. If the Cowboys were just 1 or 2 players away from getting to the big dance it would be one thing but they need to much help to be trading away any picks.
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[jterrell]

Going back to the OP original question. If Irving is picked up by someone for a 2nd tender.. I believe that pick would almost certainly be used for defense. Our team would be minus a DT and we already could use another.. including a FS and a couple LBers.

Side note: I wouldn’t be upset if someone took Irving either. As talented as he is, make no mistake..he’s a beast, he seems to be a ticking time bomb. Not to mention his concussion concerns, I just don’t think it would be wise to invest long term. Get as much play out of him as you can or get something for him

Dallas would have so many picks they really don't need to make it a 1 for 1 player for pick swap there with the RD2.
Dallas would have 7 picks(in rounds 1-4) that could all be top 100 players on their board.
Pretty easy to refurbish both offense and defense with that many selections.

I do think DT and LB carry adjustments for the team in this draft in that they will be slightly higher than usual on the draft board.
Positional/personal modifiers allow you to weight things like position and character but then stick to the board come draft selection time.

 

[jterrell]

With all the needs this team has I'm opposed to any projected draft that trades away any picks. If there never was a late round or undrafted player to be a Pro Bowler of All Pro than fine use the late round picks but since there has and with all of the needs this team has to give up even the chance of finding the next All Pro late in the draft is foolish. If the Cowboys were just 1 or 2 players away from getting to the big dance it would be one thing but they need to much help to be trading away any picks.
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I hear what you are saying but ultimately roster limits and such come into play.
Dallas has drafted very well but a lot of late round picks never even get a fair shot due to roster numbers.
And this is not a team that will have a 10 or 11 player turnover IMHO.

If I can pull in 7-8 guys in my top 100 I am doing so and become far less worried about late shots in the dark that I will get anyway via UDFA.

Keep in mind this is one of the 3-4 youngest teams in football ALREADY.

 

[TasteMyScythe]

Very, very unlikely.

If a team were to sign Irving it'd almost certainly be a team that picks very low in the round and feels they are close to a Super Bowl.
The double whammy of lost pick and high salary it just nasty.
You don't do that on a rebuilding team.
But you might on a playoff team looking for one final push who has plenty of picks but those picks aren't top 20 per round.

Just depends on how the Colts view themselves. Would the Colts consider Irving to be better than any DE/3 tech they could draft with their 2nd? Let's not forget that Eberflus is now their DC and is going to be in charge of transforming that defense...having familiarity with players may play a part. Don't be shocked if Hitchens ends up in there too.

Colts draft Chubb, get Irving and Hitchens...not a bad start into their transformation.

The Colts also have a little over 79 million in cap space...3rd most in the league. Check out what most playoff teams have to spend... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

By the way, how is that a lost pick for the Colts? A potential double digit sack player.

The Colts are in my opinion not a team that will be in a full rebuild...they get their QB back,sign a vet WR and build that defense through the draft and FA

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

I think if any team decides to give us a 2nd round pick for him it will be the Colts...they qualify as a team of suck. They are returning to a 43 defense and they don't have the personnel to do it, so they are going to be busy in FA and the draft to get what they need to start a transformation.

And Eberflus is D coordinator

 

[ShiningStar]

id like to see Dallas move up in the first, but i really want to see what they do because i have more confidence they will screw it up.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Side note: I wouldn’t be upset if someone took Irving either. As talented as he is, make no mistake..he’s a beast, he seems to be a ticking time bomb. Not to mention his concussion concerns, I just don’t think it would be wise to invest long term. Get as much play out of him as you can or get something for him

Most fans get that. But there are those who will throw that back in the face of the Cowboys if he leaves and turns out to be a very good player. Look at those who bang the Cowboys for letting Leary leave last year. Nevermind he only started 11 games and ended up on the IR.

 

[big dog cowboy]

One discussed suitor is the Tennessee Titans, they have pick 57 of RD2 and could use a young interior guy with Irving's pass rush ability.

For sake of the OPs thread:
With pick 57 added to the arsenal I'd very very intrigued about moving up if a guy I felt was elite was falling.
If Nelson was at pick 12? I'd seriously consider a trade for him. 19+57 gets you right in that 12/13 range.
Nick Chubb would be a similar deal for me.

Remove Nelson/Chubb and it is Derwin James? I'd go up a couple spots with a RD4 and RD5.

Trading up is very seldom a good bet but this year so many QBs will be overdrafted you get 4-5 free slots anyway. If I can get a guy top 5 on the team draft board at 12-13? Yup. Top 7-8 at 16? Yup.

I don't need 11 draft picks this year so I'd gladly move up in the right situation but it doesn't have to be for an RD1 guy.
For instance:
R1 19: Maurice Hurst
R2 50: Will Hernandez
R2 57: James Washington(insert your WR choice here)
R3 70: trade up here for a guy ranked about 50th on my board but fell... Dallas Goedert TE --used 2 4th and a 5th.
R3 81: Josey Jewell

Good stuff JT. Depending on what the Cowboys do in FA, all the extra picks will allow the Cowboys to easily move to get players they want. They don't need all those draft picks. Use them to get the players that can really upgrade the roster.