Day 1 final thoughts

[jterrell]

After a night to sleep it off things I think I think.

Dallas got a good player in Travis Frederick.

He isn't a great player and doesn't have that top of the world upside almost no one reaches anyway. He may be the most unsexy player drafted in r1 this year and there was lots of not hots.

I didn't like the trade down because it didn't meet value on the charts. Dallas can take whatever chart they have and burn it. The other move downs met or exceeded the chart but ours did not. My philosophy is simple. Win trades vs the chart. Anything else and you get into player evaluations and needing to hit on guys. History says forget all that and just play the chart.

Frederick is by far our strongest OC. He has a ton of power. He plays off balance, falling down and yet still manages to block people. I agree with those who say he wont be skated back to Romo. He can handle NT. He may not be pretty but he does get the job done and I dont need pretty.

He isn't this mythical ZBS ballerina but I hate those guys. To me he is the closest thing this draft has at OC to Warmack and might be a poor man's Warmack at RG. He simply lacks Warmack's balance and footwork.
I think he gives us a chance to win some short yardage and goalline battles.
Very much like Livings. He'll get beat occasionally with speed but he isn't getting rag-dolled like Arkin or those pretty boy OL.

Now what?

I think if I am Dallas I return Bern to the swing back up spot he has excelled at. He'd battle Costa in camp to start at OC. I'd have Leary battle Frederick at RG.

I am signing Tyson Clabo and cutting Doug Free.

I roll with:
Tyron, Livings, Costa/Bern, Frederick, Clabo.

Anyone screaming OLOLOLOLOLOL should be happy with that grouping. That group could run block for me at RB after I left a buffet.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

After a night to sleep it off things I think I think.

Dallas got a good player in Travis Frederick.

He isn't a great player and doesn't have that top of the world upside almost no one reaches anyway. He may be the most unsexy player drafted in r1 this year and there was lots of not hots.

I didn't like the trade down because it didn't meet value on the charts. Dallas can take whatever chart they have and burn it. The other move downs met or exceeded the chart but ours did not. My philosophy is simple. Win trades vs the chart. Anything else and you get into player evaluations and needing to hit on guys. History says forget all that and just play the chart.

Frederick is by far our strongest OC. He has a ton of power. He plays off balance, falling down and yet still manages to block people. I agree with those who say he wont be skated back to Romo. He can handle NT. He may not be pretty but he does get the job done and I dont need pretty.

He isn't this mythical ZBS ballerina but I hate those guys. To me he is the closest thing this draft has at OC to Warmack and might be a poor man's Warmack at RG. He simply lacks Warmack's balance and footwork.
I think he gives us a chance to win some short yardage and goalline battles.
Very much like Livings. He'll get beat occasionally with speed but he isn't getting rag-dolled like Arkin or those pretty boy OL.

Now what?

I think if I am Dallas I return Bern to the swing back up spot he has excelled at. He'd battle Costa in camp to start at OC. I'd have Leary battle Frederick at RG.

I am signing Tyson Clabo and cutting Doug Free.

I roll with:
Tyron, Livings, Costa/Bern, Frederick, Clabo.

Anyone screaming OLOLOLOLOLOL should be happy with that grouping. That group could run block for me at RB after I left a buffet.

I agree with pretty much everything you said here. The only thing I would add is that I am still hoping that they will grab another interior lineman in the third or fourth.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I didn't like the trade down because it didn't meet value on the charts.

If you compare it to the trade last year, a second to move from 14 to 6, it sounds about right. That's not even factoring in the talent difference between this year and last year.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

After a night to sleep it off things I think I think.

Dallas got a good player in Travis Frederick.

He isn't a great player and doesn't have that top of the world upside almost no one reaches anyway. He may be the most unsexy player drafted in r1 this year and there was lots of not hots.

I didn't like the trade down because it didn't meet value on the charts. Dallas can take whatever chart they have and burn it. The other move downs met or exceeded the chart but ours did not. My philosophy is simple. Win trades vs the chart. Anything else and you get into player evaluations and needing to hit on guys. History says forget all that and just play the chart.

Frederick is by far our strongest OC. He has a ton of power. He plays off balance, falling down and yet still manages to block people. I agree with those who say he wont be skated back to Romo. He can handle NT. He may not be pretty but he does get the job done and I dont need pretty.

He isn't this mythical ZBS ballerina but I hate those guys. To me he is the closest thing this draft has at OC to Warmack and might be a poor man's Warmack at RG. He simply lacks Warmack's balance and footwork.
I think he gives us a chance to win some short yardage and goalline battles.
Very much like Livings. He'll get beat occasionally with speed but he isn't getting rag-dolled like Arkin or those pretty boy OL.

Now what?

I think if I am Dallas I return Bern to the swing back up spot he has excelled at. He'd battle Costa in camp to start at OC. I'd have Leary battle Frederick at RG.

I am signing Tyson Clabo and cutting Doug Free.

I roll with:
Tyron, Livings, Costa/Bern, Frederick, Clabo.

Anyone screaming OLOLOLOLOLOL should be happy with that grouping. That group could run block for me at RB after I left a buffet.

I agree that Frederick can be a solid, quality player and that he has a very good chance to start at guard or center.

All along I have been stating that Dallas needs to get starters out of this draft, even if they are not sexy picks. I was hoping Dallas could address the o and d-lines early and focus on RB, WR, and safety in rounds 4-6. I think they may still be able to address tackle in the 2nd round and Free can be set Free.

If they can address DT and safety as well, today, then it would be a good recovery from what was considered a disappointing 1st round.

 

[Chuck 54]

I don't see drafting another interior lineman.

We have to give our two free agents from last year, who played injured and beside the worst C in the league in Cook, another year. We also need a second year to see what Leary can do, and we are getting Kawalski back who showed he can be decent depth at both positions two seasons ago.
Now we've added a guy who can play C or G (LG at Wisconsin).

We need to draft an OT tonight with one of those three picks.

 

[jterrell]

If you compare it to the trade last year, a second to move from 14 to 6, it sounds about right. That's not even factoring in the talent difference between this year and last year.

No, it really doesnt.

in 2012 we moved up to the 6th pick and easily won by trade chart standards.

those high picks have tremendous value because you are expected to add pro bowl caliber talent there.

in 2013 we lost by 80 points in trade value because pick 74 just isn't that valuable on the chart. in virtually every draft teams have fewer than 25 r1 grades. moving to 31 means getting an r2 graded guy and thus the draft chart reflects that.

look at the other trades on the night. ne got like 4 picks to move down a round. atl paid more to move up into the 20s then sf did with us to 18. sf needed 1 starter, a safety, and yet we were the ones who gave up trade value....

i can easily get behind frederick. he is now a cowboy. he's a big nasty and he has a sweet beard.
but i cant get behind bad trade value vs the chart.

 

[Teague31]

Callahan does NOT run a pure ZBS

 

[jterrell]

Callahan does NOT run a pure ZBS

i completely understand that and hopefully this year is the last we hear of it.

he has always employed maulers and we've added maulers since hes been here.