Day 2 (RD2-3) Grade: B-

[gimmesix]

Only thing I'd say is Dallas tried to move up twice only to get outbid. They tried and didn't sell the farm, that is good patience. Overall, looks like a solid defensive draft which we needed with a OT that has good credentials. I'm happy with it. We'll see if McClay Magic holds true. Oh, and c'mon Trysten Hill let's do some thangs!!

Don't think you can mention "McClay Magic" and "Trysten Hill" in the same paragraph.

 

[conner01]

After Day 2 my grade holds steady at a B-.

I liked the picks better than most it seems as consensus draft boards rated them pretty poorly for various reasons.

Pick 44: Kelvin Joseph. Joseph was the 4th best CB in this draft for me. He has some off field concerns after a Bowl game suspension that saw him transfer. But he's only 20 years old, locked up DeVonta Smith tighter than a drum, and brings ball skills and 6'1" size to the table. Really good fit.

Pick 75: Osa Odighizuwa. Nose Tackle at UCLA in a 3-4. Probably a Tyrone Crawford starter kit. Really, really strong persistent inside guy who can handle any role along the DL depending upon down. I think you can put him at DE on run stuff downs and play him inside on pass rush downs. My guess is this guy has a long NFL career with a lot of 4 and 5 sack seasons.

Pick 84: Chauncey Gholston. Edge out of Iowa who was a Team Captain. Not a plus pass rusher but plays hard. Dorance Armstrong type guy with consistent tape. Limited upside as a speed rusher but can set an edge.

Pick 99: Rahshon Wright CB, Oregon St. Wright is a very long CB with great ball skills. He tested insanely poorly in agility and strength areas and was off many boards all together. But I actually really like this pick for Dallas. He is the prototype guy in a Cover 3. He is very long and he is always ball hunting. He's is not a get in your pocket guy by any means but he doesn't have to be as he plays a back off into zone then go get ball role. He changed games at Laney College than again at Oregon State with big plays.His brother was on Last Chance U before joining him at Oregon State. Oakland kid who grew up trying to be Richard Sherman.

Pros:
-Definitely loaded up on defense and because of that the roster spots are there to be won. LB, CB, DL, Edge, CB checks a lot of boxes.
-Kelvin Joseph was a very solid sleeper get at CB. I think he starts day 1. Higher ceiling than Diggs for me. Shut D. Smith out in college. Was my CB4 and CB3 flew off board by the high 20s.
-Scheme fits make these feel like Quinn selections. Cowboys empower their DC to weigh in heavily on draftees and some of these guys are Quinn prototypes.
-4 Darts mean good chance of success. I might have traded up and lost at least 1 of these picks but in 3 years the guy I traded away may be the one that hits.

Cons:
-Draft board value seem poor on many of these selections. With a zillion picks no apparent need to reach.
-No Safety or 1T yet though 5 selections.
-No sense of urgency in getting their guy at top of round 2 seemed off given the bevy of picks.
-I'm not sure Chauncey Gholston can make the team and cutting pick 84 would be really poor drafting.

All in all I love the depth of day with 4 selections. But the value seems pretty poor. Fans are going to be screaming about slot CB types but I am fine skipping Molden and Washington on day 2 but I do see some guys go off board right before we picked in round 2 and 3 that I'd have loved the value and fit on. Hoping combo of coaches/scouts were smarter than the draftniks. They have been before but we've also seen the draft classes fall flat at times when they went offbook. Can't wait to see these guys in camp.

Very fair evaluation
Wright sent me over the edge
I get the others though they aren’t what I would have done
Wright was really poor value

 

[conner01]

Only thing I'd say is Dallas tried to move up twice only to get outbid. They tried and didn't sell the farm, that is good patience. Overall, looks like a solid defensive draft which we needed with a OT that has good credentials. I'm happy with it. We'll see if McClay Magic holds true. Oh, and c'mon Trysten Hill let's do some thangs!!

They didn’t try hard enough to move up
Looks like they wanted Campbell and when he was gone they gave up. But there was other opportunities to move up and get good value

 

[jterrell]

Very fair evaluation
Wright sent me over the edge
I get the others though they aren’t what I would have done
Wright was really poor value

This is pretty much how most see it but you gotta take into account draft boards play zero actual football games and winning a higher draft grade means zero versus a player proving he was a good selection.
Wright is intriguing as heck to me. He just didn't test well enough to show up on peoples boards.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Very fair evaluation
Wright sent me over the edge
I get the others though they aren’t what I would have done
Wright was really poor value

With probably giving up only a 6th, and 5th we could had the following draft:

Parsons
Moerhig/Joseph
Mneil/Milton
Perkins
Jabril Cox
Togai DT Ohio State

 

[CowboyRoy]

They didn’t try hard enough to move up
Looks like they wanted Campbell and when he was gone they gave up. But there was other opportunities to move up and get good value

How do you take Wright over Jabril Cox, Togiai, Shelvin, ect.....ect.....

 

[BigDPlayer]

Don't think you can mention "McClay Magic" and "Trysten Hill" in the same paragraph.

We'll see! He was turning a corner toward the second half last season on the worst defense in Cowboys history. I know how that reads... just saying this is year two (I think) and I am hopeful. Call me a sucker.

 

[BigDPlayer]

They didn’t try hard enough to move up
Looks like they wanted Campbell and when he was gone they gave up. But there was other opportunities to move up and get good value

And they tried and got outbid. Just saying, we have to recognize their patience and give some credit. Maybe Jerry is learning his lesson and only making trades that make sense and not selling out. My two cents...

 

[Scotman]

After Day 2 my grade holds steady at a B-.

I liked the picks better than most it seems as consensus draft boards rated them pretty poorly for various reasons.

Pick 44: Kelvin Joseph. Joseph was the 4th best CB in this draft for me. He has some off field concerns after a Bowl game suspension that saw him transfer. But he's only 20 years old, locked up DeVonta Smith tighter than a drum, and brings ball skills and 6'1" size to the table. Really good fit.

Pick 75: Osa Odighizuwa. Nose Tackle at UCLA in a 3-4. Probably a Tyrone Crawford starter kit. Really, really strong persistent inside guy who can handle any role along the DL depending upon down. I think you can put him at DE on run stuff downs and play him inside on pass rush downs. My guess is this guy has a long NFL career with a lot of 4 and 5 sack seasons.

Pick 84: Chauncey Gholston. Edge out of Iowa who was a Team Captain. Not a plus pass rusher but plays hard. Dorance Armstrong type guy with consistent tape. Limited upside as a speed rusher but can set an edge.

Pick 99: Rahshon Wright CB, Oregon St. Wright is a very long CB with great ball skills. He tested insanely poorly in agility and strength areas and was off many boards all together. But I actually really like this pick for Dallas. He is the prototype guy in a Cover 3. He is very long and he is always ball hunting. He's is not a get in your pocket guy by any means but he doesn't have to be as he plays a back off into zone then go get ball role. He changed games at Laney College than again at Oregon State with big plays.His brother was on Last Chance U before joining him at Oregon State. Oakland kid who grew up trying to be Richard Sherman.

Pros:
-Definitely loaded up on defense and because of that the roster spots are there to be won. LB, CB, DL, Edge, CB checks a lot of boxes.
-Kelvin Joseph was a very solid sleeper get at CB. I think he starts day 1. Higher ceiling than Diggs for me. Shut D. Smith out in college. Was my CB4 and CB3 flew off board by the high 20s.
-Scheme fits make these feel like Quinn selections. Cowboys empower their DC to weigh in heavily on draftees and some of these guys are Quinn prototypes.
-4 Darts mean good chance of success. I might have traded up and lost at least 1 of these picks but in 3 years the guy I traded away may be the one that hits.

Cons:
-Draft board value seem poor on many of these selections. With a zillion picks no apparent need to reach.
-No Safety or 1T yet though 5 selections.
-No sense of urgency in getting their guy at top of round 2 seemed off given the bevy of picks.
-I'm not sure Chauncey Gholston can make the team and cutting pick 84 would be really poor drafting.

All in all I love the depth of day with 4 selections. But the value seems pretty poor. Fans are going to be screaming about slot CB types but I am fine skipping Molden and Washington on day 2 but I do see some guys go off board right before we picked in round 2 and 3 that I'd have loved the value and fit on. Hoping combo of coaches/scouts were smarter than the draftniks. They have been before but we've also seen the draft classes fall flat at times when they went offbook. Can't wait to see these guys in camp.

I agree with everything you said. I would have said a C-, but only because I hadn't heard of some of the guys they picked. I don't have a solid reason to discount the B-. We are counting on the scouts and coaches to know more than the draftniks this year more than any in recent history.

 

[NotForLong]

https://www.detroitlions.com/team/players-roster/ifeatu-melifonwu/
6-2 CB who’s rated much higher.

you can take Wright in 4-5 round

Multiple injuries in college

 

[conner01]

And they tried and got outbid. Just saying, we have to recognize their patience and give some credit. Maybe Jerry is learning his lesson and only making trades that make sense and not selling out. My two cents...

Had they wanted to move up they could
You are talking about one time for Campbell
I’m talking about many chances to move up for players that at least most teams had higher grades on.
And we know this because they picked them
I think it was foolish to make 11 picks when we could have picked less players and got more quality
Maybe it works out but we’ve done fairly well picking high but not so much picking past the 3-4 round
Most teams don’t do as well late but we could have leveraged this picks to get more higher picks
I think it was a lost opportunity you don’t get back for many, many years
Time will tell who was right
I hope they were right but if we don’t get 5 quality starters out of this draft then it failed
We will know in a few years

 

[Creeper]

I agree with those saying the Cowboys should have moved up to get a player they really wanted, but maybe there was no one they really wanted in the 3rd and were willing to settle for several different guys.

I would have preferred to move up and grab Milton Williams. We'll have to see how he turns out as he is a high risk/reward player. He certainly has all the athletic skills to excel. Maybe Dallas thought Williams would be there at 75.I certainly did.

But as it turned out I think they drafted the best players available to them at 75 and 84. Who else could they have taken? Maybe Paulson Adebo and Chazz Surratt? Or, go OL taking Wyatt Davis, Spencer Brown, or Ben Cleveland?

 

[gimmesix]

We'll see! He was turning a corner toward the second half last season on the worst defense in Cowboys history. I know how that reads... just saying this is year two (I think) and I am hopeful. Call me a sucker.

I think you are being optimistic. Hill wasn't getting much pressure and he wasn't stopping the run. The defense took a step forward when he got injured and Gallimore replaced him, even though Gallimore was inconsistent, which was no surprise with a rookie.

I hope Hill can find his game, but based on what we've seen so far, I will be surprised if he does. Of course, it does take a while for some players to hit their stride, so we'll see.

 

[DuncanIso]

After Day 2 my grade holds steady at a B-.

I liked the picks better than most it seems as consensus draft boards rated them pretty poorly for various reasons.

Pick 44: Kelvin Joseph. Joseph was the 4th best CB in this draft for me. He has some off field concerns after a Bowl game suspension that saw him transfer. But he's only 20 years old, locked up DeVonta Smith tighter than a drum, and brings ball skills and 6'1" size to the table. Really good fit.

Pick 75: Osa Odighizuwa. Nose Tackle at UCLA in a 3-4. Probably a Tyrone Crawford starter kit. Really, really strong persistent inside guy who can handle any role along the DL depending upon down. I think you can put him at DE on run stuff downs and play him inside on pass rush downs. My guess is this guy has a long NFL career with a lot of 4 and 5 sack seasons.

Pick 84: Chauncey Gholston. Edge out of Iowa who was a Team Captain. Not a plus pass rusher but plays hard. Dorance Armstrong type guy with consistent tape. Limited upside as a speed rusher but can set an edge.

Pick 99: Rahshon Wright CB, Oregon St. Wright is a very long CB with great ball skills. He tested insanely poorly in agility and strength areas and was off many boards all together. But I actually really like this pick for Dallas. He is the prototype guy in a Cover 3. He is very long and he is always ball hunting. He's is not a get in your pocket guy by any means but he doesn't have to be as he plays a back off into zone then go get ball role. He changed games at Laney College than again at Oregon State with big plays.His brother was on Last Chance U before joining him at Oregon State. Oakland kid who grew up trying to be Richard Sherman.

Pros:
-Definitely loaded up on defense and because of that the roster spots are there to be won. LB, CB, DL, Edge, CB checks a lot of boxes.
-Kelvin Joseph was a very solid sleeper get at CB. I think he starts day 1. Higher ceiling than Diggs for me. Shut D. Smith out in college. Was my CB4 and CB3 flew off board by the high 20s.
-Scheme fits make these feel like Quinn selections. Cowboys empower their DC to weigh in heavily on draftees and some of these guys are Quinn prototypes.
-4 Darts mean good chance of success. I might have traded up and lost at least 1 of these picks but in 3 years the guy I traded away may be the one that hits.

Cons:
-Draft board value seem poor on many of these selections. With a zillion picks no apparent need to reach.
-No Safety or 1T yet though 5 selections.
-No sense of urgency in getting their guy at top of round 2 seemed off given the bevy of picks.
-I'm not sure Chauncey Gholston can make the team and cutting pick 84 would be really poor drafting.

All in all I love the depth of day with 4 selections. But the value seems pretty poor. Fans are going to be screaming about slot CB types but I am fine skipping Molden and Washington on day 2 but I do see some guys go off board right before we picked in round 2 and 3 that I'd have loved the value and fit on. Hoping combo of coaches/scouts were smarter than the draftniks. They have been before but we've also seen the draft classes fall flat at times when they went offbook. Can't wait to see these guys in camp.

picks 84 and 99 should have been used on getting at least one OT.

 

[visionary]

I agree with those saying the Cowboys should have moved up to get a player they really wanted, but maybe there was no one they really wanted in the 3rd and were willing to settle for several different guys.

I would have preferred to move up and grab Milton Williams. We'll have to see how he turns out as he is a high risk/reward player. He certainly has all the athletic skills to excel. Maybe Dallas thought Williams would be there at 75.I certainly did.

But as it turned out I think they drafted the best players available to them at 75 and 84. Who else could they have taken? Maybe Paulson Adebo and Chazz Surratt? Or, go OL taking Wyatt Davis, Spencer Brown, or Ben Cleveland?

when you Telegraph your needs and players to other teams as stupidly as we do then you have to be ready that someone Rhee might trade up in front of you for a player and do you can’t stand pat. There is a reason the Raiders traded up above us to take Moehrig and KC took McNeil and Philly took Williams just before we did

our FO is a bunch of morons

 

[AsthmaField]

when you Telegraph your needs and players to other teams as stupidly as we do then you have to be ready that someone Rhee might trade up in front of you for a player and do you can’t stand pat. There is a reason the Raiders traded up above us to take Moehrig and KC took McNeil and Philly took Williams just before we did

our FO is a bunch of morons

What did Dallas do to telegraph anything on Moehrig, McNeil or Williams?

And Dallas didn’t want Moehrig, they wanted a CB.

 

[visionary]

What did Dallas do to telegraph anything on Moehrig, McNeil or Williams?

And Dallas didn’t want Moehrig, they wanted a CB.

you think Raiders traded up above us just because? The Moehrig and Williams interest was being reported for weeks

 

[AsthmaField]

you think Raiders traded up above us just because? The Moehrig and Williams interest was being reported for weeks

Yes, but not by the Cowboys… which is my point.

Reporters see 4 guys from the Cowboys at the TCU Pro Day and then they look at the Dallas roster, see a safety need, and report, “Dallas is very interested in Trevon Moehrig.”

Then fans read that from the reporters and say, “Dallas is really looking into Moehrig!” Then the fans get on the internet and read every scrap of information that is written about Moehrig, like what they read and then say, “I bet Dallas is targeting Moehrig in the second round.”

Then, someone who really likes Moehrig says “He won’t make it to the second round… He’s going to go late first.” All the fans really know is that they saw a mock draft showing Moehrig going to Baltimore in the late 20’s, and that they’ve been asking for a safety since Woody left.

Meanwhile, Dallas is sending guys to all of the pro days and thinking, “We have to come out of the draft with a starting cornerback.”

The Raiders also see that Dallas needs a safety and they read the reports that Dallas sent 4 guys to TCU.

Draft day comes and Dallas is unable to get a cornerback that they want at pick 10, and Moehrig “miraculously” slips out of round one.

Dallas thinks “we have Kazee, who we like, and we must have a starting corner in this second round and there are only two more CB’s that we feel can start year 1.”

Dallas, targeting Campbell try to trade up (because he’s a guy they want, unlike Moehrig) into the top of the 2nd but Jacksonville takes him with the first pick in the second. Dallas, now only have Joseph as a guy that they think can start and they think he will make it to pick 44, so they sit tight.

Moehrig keeps sliding and the fans, with only eyes for him, are getting more and more excited about getting him at 44. Dallas keeps eyeing the corner they want.

The Raiders, who want Moehrig are thinking Dallas might take him, so they move up just in front of Dallas and take the safety.

Dallas takes who they were wanting and get a starting CB.

The fans, disappointed after a Spring of studying Moehrig, erupt because Dallas screwed around and lost who they wanted… except that wasn’t who they wanted.

Nowhere in there did Dallas do anything to “Telegraph” anything about Moehrig. It was inferred by the fans and media from pro days and their perceived roster needs.

And Carolina and Denver already picked before Dallas. They didn’t jump Dallas to take the two first round corners… they just took who they wanted to draft.

Milton Williams… all I ever heard in regards to him was the media reporting that Dallas sent several guys down to his pro day. The rest was media and fans saying “Dallas sent a ton of scouts down to watch Williams’ pro day… they’re going to draft him.” I don’t remember hearing a thing from the Cowboys on him.