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Well, we have 10 games to go but after last nights debacle, its probably safe to say we can start planning for the offseason and the draft. I've never been SOOOOO out and out wrong about a Cowboys team in all my years of watching. I genuinely thought this was a championship calibar team. I was wrong. There's some championship calibar talent, but they are lacking in so many key areas that talent cant make up for it.

I guess I can start with the positives (what few there were)

1) Dez Bryant is going to be an extremely special player, and could end up being one of the best draft decisions Jerry has ever made. And to think, he still isnt anywhere near 100%. Not only was the talent obvious, but I love this kids effort and fight. I love his confidence. He's the closest thing to an Irvin type player that I've seen since Irvin was in his prime. He will be scary good.

2) Kitna wasnt great, but considering the sieve of an OL he was playing behind and the fact that he hadnt played in a meaningful game in well over a year or so, he did ok. He definitely is far better than Brad Johnson. I said last night that if we had just a DECENT run game and the defense would play the way it should be, that we could win games with this guy. Especially for a short period.

3) The special teams had their best game of the year by far IMO, and not just because of Bryant's spectacular return. The coverage units were solid, Buehler's kickoffs were back to being good and he hit both his FG's.

4) There's only two defensive players that after 6 games, I can honestly say are playing up to expectations. Ware and Newman. Ratliff is not. Spencer is not. Brooking and James are not. None of the DE's have. Jenkins hasnt been as bad as people want to make him out to be, but he hasnt been as good as he was last yr either. Maybe some of it is effort, but I believe lousy coaching, preparation and just awful fundamentals are more to blame. The schemes are too vanilla at this point, and its easy pickins.

5) Really dumb rookie mistake by Gronkowski last night, but it happens. Rookies make mistakes. I'm not going to crucify him for it, and while he did get Romo jacked up, its more bad luck than anything that Romo got injured. QB's take those kinds of hits alot, most of the time they get up and are fine. Unfortunately that wasnt the case on this one.

6) Leonard Davis and Marc Colombo, its been nice. You played well for a few seasons, but its over. You guys cant block anything. Most of the time you cant even get in the way, let alone actually block them. No question they have to be replaced. I'd seriously consider bringing up Travis Bright and start getting him some time at one of the guard spots. Need to see what we have in him. Most wont agree, but I'd bench Colombo for Barron right now. At least he can move his feet some.

7) Similar to above. Wade, your a super good guy. You've had some success here, but you're done. You've definitely earned the right to be fired. You were brought here to make the defense excel, and into your 4th season, the defense has turned into a problem again. I think the game has passed him by. Then there's the other stuff, he just isnt a good HC. He doesnt seem to understand basic game management, he doesnt light a fire under anyone's rear, there's the constant "beaten" expression he has on the sideline, which certainly doesnt help instill confidence in anyone on the team. This wont be poular, but I'd still say Wade is the 3rd best HC we've had here. Yes, even ahead of HC Parcells. (Notice I didnt say Parcells the front office man). He had more success than Parcells did. He's won more games, he won two division titles and got us to HFA in one of those seasons, tying a franchise record for wins.

8) Who'd have thunk it. We get 5 turnovers (and should have had 6, if not for Ratliff deciding to try and dribble the ball), we cut down on penalties (5), the special teams plays well, and we still get beat. And for most of the game, beaten badly.

9) As many have pointed out, the safety positions have to be completely rebuilt. The two guys we have starting are just awful. Might be the worst pair of tackling safeties in modern league history. Other positions of dire need are RT, RG, LG, at least 1 ILB spot and probably one of the DL positions.

10) In terms of next years HC, I really have no preference right now. Other than that I really dont want a retread. I do think Jerry will lean towards a high profile guy, because he will have to do something to re-energize the fan base. A no name or another Wade Phillips type retread isnt going to do that. And the rest of this year may get really ugly. Cowher worries me but I could see why Jerry would want him. Gruden is interesting, but who he'd surround himself with on the staff would be key. I like what I've seen from Jim Harbaugh at Stanford, but he's a pretty huge risk. Del Rio and Fox will probably both be canned, but I really dont want either of them. Fox maybe, but like Gruden it would be key to see who he installs as OC and DC. I'd really love to see us nail the next Jimmy Johnson type coach though. Might not be one out there, but that would be ideal.

11) Just going off how we are playing, its hard to see us winning more than 5 or 6 games total, especially if Romo is done for the year. (And I think barring a miracle run here by the team, they'll shut him down rather than put him back out there in December in some meaningless games behind a poorous OL). Being 5-11 or 6-10 would probably net us a pick somewhere around 6, 7 or 8. Whomever the new HC will be, we'll have a chance to have a significant turnaround pretty quick with the talent already in place here, as well as what we can add next yr in free agency and the draft. We could be set up to get a couple of really significant additions via the draft.

12) Will be interesting to see if things do hit rock bottom (ie, get worse) if they give McGee some time at QB, and perhaps even start him some down the stretch. I would tend to think Kitna wont be back here as a backup but am not 100% sure of his contract status. They would get a really good indicator over a 3-4-5 game span of whether McGee might be ready to assume that role as Romo's backup, and who knows. Might really open some eyes.
 
Good post.


Jerry has to at least consider dumping huge salary guys this season because who knows what kind of salary cap we'll be dealing with in the new CBA.

He needs to take advantage of this lone year without a cap. It will give him more spending flexability in the off-season.
 
I say its time to display the depth for the next guy. Make it official behind the scenes and give Wade a nice send off in the offeason. What else can you do, all but Sherman i have lost faith in the whole staff.


and the draft doesnt excite me so far because if the scouting department isnt heaved as well i dont really think they will draft anything decent. They hit on Dez because luck will happen, but I dont see Sean lee the heir apparent to anything and we needed that FS or OL man a lot lot more.


Time for a upheveal but i wont get it.
 
Chris in Arizona;3652404 said:
Good post.


Jerry has to at least consider dumping huge salary guys this season because who knows what kind of salary cap we'll be dealing with in the new CBA.

He needs to take advantage of this lone year without a cap. It will give him more spending flexability in the off-season.

I asked this earlier in the year but didn't get an answer.

How late in the season can we go and still release players and have their signing bonuses accelerated into this uncapped year?

We have to think proactively along those lines seeing the situation we are currently in.
 
I don't know why everyone has to countenance criticism of Wade by saying he is a "good guy." His constant excuses and enabling behavior don't help anyone reach their potential and after a few seasons bring out the absolute worst in professional athletes. He's coaching poison, even if he serves it with a gentle tone.
 
Spencer and Jenkins have regressed badly. Spencer in particular was dominant end of last year. I dont think Jenkins could tackle me.
 
RS12;3652507 said:
Spencer and Jenkins have regressed badly. Spencer in particular was dominant end of last year. I dont think Jenkins could tackle me.


I dont think Spencer regressed, he wasnt as good as fans wanted him to be, Jenkins just getting bad advice from our coaches. and probably not being let to play his game.
 
If Wade hangs around until the season is over, I doubt the Cowboys win four games.

This team has basically quit on Wade, and if this team didn't seize the opportunity to make a push for respectability and to stay in the race for the division when it had the chance, I don't think it will put in the effort down the stretch.

With Wade Phillips, I'm saying the Cowboys finish at 3-13, 4-12 at best. That will put is in the top 5 in the 2011 draft. At least that will give a new coach something to work with in terms of bringing in a player who will fit his style - provided we don't get another Wade as coach.
 
Another thing: David you are right about Dez, has the ability to be the greatest Cowboy reciever ever, hopefully that comes to pass. The guy just has that "it" quality.
 
i really do not like barron but the way columbo has played the last three games i agree it might be time to bench him. if kitna struggles the next two games i would also think about getting mcgee some playing time. i would not start mcgee but maybe a couple of series in each half would be good time to see if he can play against first string players.
 
RS12;3652507 said:
Spencer and Jenkins have regressed badly. Spencer in particular was dominant end of last year. I dont think Jenkins could tackle me.

this is wades fault. young players need to be pushed to get better the way parcells did ware and james. wade has failed to get these two player to understand that they cannot rest on what they did last season. he should have pushed them harder in offseason workouts and preaseason games.
 
Day after thoughts are nice, but this team needs a day after pill.
 
RS12;3652507 said:
Spencer and Jenkins have regressed badly. Spencer in particular was dominant end of last year. I dont think Jenkins could tackle me.

Spencer did nothing but rush (try to at least) the QB last night. He played very undisciplined football and we got gashed by the run to his side. The announcers even pointed it out.
 
Outstanding post IMO.....I can't disagree with a single point you've made. It's as if I wrote it myself (sans my poor grammar). :)
 
How come nobody seems to like Cowher? He won. A lot. His teams were consistently good. I don't get the downside.

I don't think he'd take the job given the meddling you can expect from above but I think he'd be Jerry's pick just because of the 3-4
 
The Great Number 8;3652598 said:
How come nobody seems to like Cowher? He won. A lot. His teams were consistently good. I don't get the downside.

I don't think he'd take the job given the meddling you can expect from above but I think he'd be Jerry's pick just because of the 3-4


15 years to get a SB ring, than look what Tomlin has done since than.
 
The Great Number 8;3652598 said:
How come nobody seems to like Cowher? He won. A lot. His teams were consistently good. I don't get the downside.
I don't think he'd take the job given the meddling you can expect from above but I think he'd be Jerry's pick just because of the 3-4

He coached 15 yrs in the same place, he should have won alot. They had talented teams.

That said, I've stated my concerns with him before. He was the one who overruled everyone in his organization about Kordell Stewart. He got Tom Donohoe fired. He had HFA several times, and lost quite a few home playoff games. The only championship he "won" was a joke, they got outplayed badly and only won because of some dubious officiating. My other fear is that if he comes back, its only because its for a huge payday. And we just went down that road with someone else.

I'll definitely be behind him 100% if he gets the job, but I will have concerns.
 
dbair1967;3652646 said:
He coached 15 yrs in the same place, he should have won alot. They had talented teams.

That said, I've stated my concerns with him before. He was the one who overruled everyone in his organization about Kordell Stewart. He got Tom Donohoe fired. He had HFA several times, and lost quite a few home playoff games. The only championship he "won" was a joke, they got outplayed badly and only won because of some dubious officiating. My other fear is that if he comes back, its only because its for a huge payday. And we just went down that road with someone else.

I'll definitely be behind him 100% if he gets the job, but I will have concerns.


and those concerns would be warranted than turned into downright tears of sorrow.
 
dbair1967;3652646 said:
He coached 15 yrs in the same place, he should have won alot. They had talented teams.

That said, I've stated my concerns with him before. He was the one who overruled everyone in his organization about Kordell Stewart. He got Tom Donohoe fired. He had HFA several times, and lost quite a few home playoff games. The only championship he "won" was a joke, they got outplayed badly and only won because of some dubious officiating. My other fear is that if he comes back, its only because its for a huge payday. And we just went down that road with someone else.

I'll definitely be behind him 100% if he gets the job, but I will have concerns.

Cowher is not coming here. He lives in Carolina and is waiting on the Panthers job once Fox is fired.
 
dbair1967;3652391 said:
This wont be poular, but I'd still say Wade is the 3rd best HC we've had here. Yes, even ahead of HC Parcells. (Notice I didnt say Parcells the front office man). He had more success than Parcells did. He's won more games, he won two division titles and got us to HFA in one of those seasons, tying a franchise record for wins.

Just ask yourself this question and be honest.

If Wade was handed the 2003 team with Quincy Carter at the helm and Zimmer playing bend don't break defense, what would have been the result? The only good player on the entire defense was Woody, and borderline Dat. There was no one worth a damn on offense.

If Parcells was handed the 2007 team with Tony Romo with a Pro Bowl year under his belt, Ware and Ratliff and much better talent throughout the roster, what do you guess would have been the result?

If there is a shred of intellectual honestly, you have to say that Parcells would have won more games, two division titles, got us HFA one of those seasons, and probably a lot more.

Wade got handed a Ferrarri and his driving skills are being compared to Parcells in a Kia.

Wade can't win with this team this year. What makes you think he could have done a darn thing with the rubbish Parcells inherited?
 

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