Day After Thoughts

dstew60105;3652750 said:
Cowher is not coming here. He lives in Carolina and is waiting on the Panthers job once Fox is fired.

I think Fox is waiting to be fired at whatever point Cowher decides he wants to coach again.

If Cowher has his personal life in order and wants to, he can step in there at any point, from what I have heard.
 
arglebargle;3652756 said:
I think Fox is waiting to be fired at whatever point Cowher decides he wants to coach again.

If Cowher has his personal life in order and wants to, he can step in there at any point, from what I have heard.

I will be shocked if Cowher is not coaching Carolina sometime in the very near future.
 
If you think Newman is playing up to expectations, your expectations for him must be extremely low. He gave up two big plays last night that led to easy Giants TD's. Also missed the first interception that hit him in the hands, and let Smith get behind him badly at one point for what woulda been another easy TD grab had the ball been anywhere near Smith.

I know alot of you guys love Newman, and i think he's a solid player. But we payed the guy like he was a top 10 CB in the league, and he simply has never been a playmaker at the position. He's solid in coverage normally, but great CB's generate turnovers. He makes too many mistakes and just doesn't make the big plays that the top CB's in the league make. Still a solid starter though and the best CB on our team right now, although Jenkins has the ability to be the best. I hope he can get out of his head and get back to playing his game.
 
RoyTheHammer;3652780 said:
If you think Newman is playing up to expectations, your expectations for him must be extremely low. He gave up two big plays last night that led to easy Giants TD's. Also missed the first interception that hit him in the hands, and let Smith get behind him badly at one point for what woulda been another easy TD grab had the ball been anywhere near Smith.

I know alot of you guys love Newman, and i think he's a solid player. But we payed the guy like he was a top 10 CB in the league, and he simply has never been a playmaker at the position. He's solid in coverage normally, but great CB's generate turnovers. He makes too many mistakes and just doesn't make the big plays that the top CB's in the league make. Still a solid starter though and the best CB on our team right now, although Jenkins has the ability to be the best. I hope he can get out of his head and get back to playing his game.

Not hard to be the best CB on the team when you only have 3 of them and the other two are Orlando Scandrick and Mike "PI" Jenkins.
 
dbair1967;3652646 said:
He coached 15 yrs in the same place, he should have won alot. They had talented teams.

That said, I've stated my concerns with him before. He was the one who overruled everyone in his organization about Kordell Stewart. He got Tom Donohoe fired. He had HFA several times, and lost quite a few home playoff games. The only championship he "won" was a joke, they got outplayed badly and only won because of some dubious officiating. My other fear is that if he comes back, its only because its for a huge payday. And we just went down that road with someone else.

I'll definitely be behind him 100% if he gets the job, but I will have concerns.

Fair enough. I'm admittedly not a huge fan either, but his track record is pretty good. I was just trying to understand why so many seemed to be dead set against him. He lacked high end quarterbacks for most of his days there and as we all know through Quincy/Testevede/Hutch/Bledsoe until the arrival of Romo, then QB is still the most important position on the field. His defenses were at least tough to play and looked interested, something that's lacking today with our team. Maybe we should just offer LeBeau a gazillion dollars to come here for a season or two.

In the end Jerry will probably do something crazy like promote Garrett and then hire Norv as his OC.
 
Great post. One thing we absolutely need to see what we have in Tashard. We need to bench Barber and see what Choice would do with 10+ carries a game. Another I liked what I saw out of Brent last night and with Hatcher's injury sliding Rat over to DE to see if that is any benefit to us with 3 FA D Ends we have.
 
RoyTheHammer;3652780 said:
If you think Newman is playing up to expectations, your expectations for him must be extremely low. He gave up two big plays last night that led to easy Giants TD's. Also missed the first interception that hit him in the hands, and let Smith get behind him badly at one point for what woulda been another easy TD grab had the ball been anywhere near Smith.

I know alot of you guys love Newman, and i think he's a solid player. But we payed the guy like he was a top 10 CB in the league, and he simply has never been a playmaker at the position. He's solid in coverage normally, but great CB's generate turnovers. He makes too many mistakes and just doesn't make the big plays that the top CB's in the league make. Still a solid starter though and the best CB on our team right now, although Jenkins has the ability to be the best. I hope he can get out of his head and get back to playing his game.

Newman was rated a top 5 CB by Pro Football Weekly's survey of NFL personnel people, scouts, GMs... He was rated 5th in that pre-2008 survey. Rod Woodson rated him a top 5 CB before the 2009 season. The "Ball Hawks" get their picks, but they get many of them playing zone. Newman plays a ton of man coverage with one safety high. Plus, the ball hawks gamble and give up big plays. They give and they take.

You failed to mention Gerald Sensabaugh not doing his job last night on that Steve Smith 32 yard pass. Newman played his assignment like he was supposed to do on that pay. He cut off Smith and the ball ended up being short and became a jump ball. Newman tried to knock the ball out, but he couldn't reach it.

Sensabaugh, who was late on the play, had the ball right there for him to strip away, but he didn't do it. I don't know what Sensabaugh is thinking by not going for the ball right in his face. That bracket coverage should have worked and would have if Sensabaugh had a clue.

Newman missed a tackle last night on a big WR, but he made several and probably saved a TD when he tripped Bradshaw.

Newman dropped that pick, but I"ve seen him make that pick over his entire career. He didn't drop the next one.

dbair is right.

Newman has been one of the few bright spots on this team this year, and it shouldn't be a big surprise. He's one of the most consistent players in the NFL, and he plays his best against the best.

How many times did Newman shut down DeSean Jackson last year?
 
dbair1967;3652391 said:
Well, we have 10 games to go but after last nights debacle, its probably safe to say we can start planning for the offseason and the draft. I've never been SOOOOO out and out wrong about a Cowboys team in all my years of watching. I genuinely thought this was a championship calibar team. I was wrong. There's some championship calibar talent, but they are lacking in so many key areas that talent cant make up for it.

I guess I can start with the positives (what few there were)

1) Dez Bryant is going to be an extremely special player, and could end up being one of the best draft decisions Jerry has ever made. And to think, he still isnt anywhere near 100%. Not only was the talent obvious, but I love this kids effort and fight. I love his confidence. He's the closest thing to an Irvin type player that I've seen since Irvin was in his prime. He will be scary good.

2) Kitna wasnt great, but considering the sieve of an OL he was playing behind and the fact that he hadnt played in a meaningful game in well over a year or so, he did ok. He definitely is far better than Brad Johnson. I said last night that if we had just a DECENT run game and the defense would play the way it should be, that we could win games with this guy. Especially for a short period.

3) The special teams had their best game of the year by far IMO, and not just because of Bryant's spectacular return. The coverage units were solid, Buehler's kickoffs were back to being good and he hit both his FG's.

4) There's only two defensive players that after 6 games, I can honestly say are playing up to expectations. Ware and Newman. Ratliff is not. Spencer is not. Brooking and James are not. None of the DE's have. Jenkins hasnt been as bad as people want to make him out to be, but he hasnt been as good as he was last yr either. Maybe some of it is effort, but I believe lousy coaching, preparation and just awful fundamentals are more to blame. The schemes are too vanilla at this point, and its easy pickins.

5) Really dumb rookie mistake by Gronkowski last night, but it happens. Rookies make mistakes. I'm not going to crucify him for it, and while he did get Romo jacked up, its more bad luck than anything that Romo got injured. QB's take those kinds of hits alot, most of the time they get up and are fine. Unfortunately that wasnt the case on this one.

6) Leonard Davis and Marc Colombo, its been nice. You played well for a few seasons, but its over. You guys cant block anything. Most of the time you cant even get in the way, let alone actually block them. No question they have to be replaced. I'd seriously consider bringing up Travis Bright and start getting him some time at one of the guard spots. Need to see what we have in him. Most wont agree, but I'd bench Colombo for Barron right now. At least he can move his feet some.

7) Similar to above. Wade, your a super good guy. You've had some success here, but you're done. You've definitely earned the right to be fired. You were brought here to make the defense excel, and into your 4th season, the defense has turned into a problem again. I think the game has passed him by. Then there's the other stuff, he just isnt a good HC. He doesnt seem to understand basic game management, he doesnt light a fire under anyone's rear, there's the constant "beaten" expression he has on the sideline, which certainly doesnt help instill confidence in anyone on the team. This wont be poular, but I'd still say Wade is the 3rd best HC we've had here. Yes, even ahead of HC Parcells. (Notice I didnt say Parcells the front office man). He had more success than Parcells did. He's won more games, he won two division titles and got us to HFA in one of those seasons, tying a franchise record for wins.

8) Who'd have thunk it. We get 5 turnovers (and should have had 6, if not for Ratliff deciding to try and dribble the ball), we cut down on penalties (5), the special teams plays well, and we still get beat. And for most of the game, beaten badly.

9) As many have pointed out, the safety positions have to be completely rebuilt. The two guys we have starting are just awful. Might be the worst pair of tackling safeties in modern league history. Other positions of dire need are RT, RG, LG, at least 1 ILB spot and probably one of the DL positions.

10) In terms of next years HC, I really have no preference right now. Other than that I really dont want a retread. I do think Jerry will lean towards a high profile guy, because he will have to do something to re-energize the fan base. A no name or another Wade Phillips type retread isnt going to do that. And the rest of this year may get really ugly. Cowher worries me but I could see why Jerry would want him. Gruden is interesting, but who he'd surround himself with on the staff would be key. I like what I've seen from Jim Harbaugh at Stanford, but he's a pretty huge risk. Del Rio and Fox will probably both be canned, but I really dont want either of them. Fox maybe, but like Gruden it would be key to see who he installs as OC and DC. I'd really love to see us nail the next Jimmy Johnson type coach though. Might not be one out there, but that would be ideal.

11) Just going off how we are playing, its hard to see us winning more than 5 or 6 games total, especially if Romo is done for the year. (And I think barring a miracle run here by the team, they'll shut him down rather than put him back out there in December in some meaningless games behind a poorous OL). Being 5-11 or 6-10 would probably net us a pick somewhere around 6, 7 or 8. Whomever the new HC will be, we'll have a chance to have a significant turnaround pretty quick with the talent already in place here, as well as what we can add next yr in free agency and the draft. We could be set up to get a couple of really significant additions via the draft.

12) Will be interesting to see if things do hit rock bottom (ie, get worse) if they give McGee some time at QB, and perhaps even start him some down the stretch. I would tend to think Kitna wont be back here as a backup but am not 100% sure of his contract status. They would get a really good indicator over a 3-4-5 game span of whether McGee might be ready to assume that role as Romo's backup, and who knows. Might really open some eyes.


Very solid post IMO. Pretty much the same way I feel from top to bottom. Kitna will get atleast 3-5 games IMO to try and salvage the season then it should be McGee's team the rest of the way. Same with most of the o-line except Free. Both rookie safeties should get tons of playing time from here on out as should Sean Lee and all 17 of the Williams LB's we have. Maybe not start but def tons of snaps. We've got to make a positive out of this season and the only way to do that is play the young guys and get them those reps Especially once we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Would love to see this team shock the world but right now the focus has to be making positives out of negatives and taking care of the fundamentals just like it's training camp all over. Sad but true
 
41gy#;3653023 said:
Newman was rated a top 5 CB by Pro Football Weekly's survey of NFL personnel people, scouts, GMs... He was rated 5th in that pre-2008 survey. Rod Woodson rated him a top 5 CB before the 2009 season. The "Ball Hawks" get their picks, but they get many of them playing zone. Newman plays a ton of man coverage with one safety high. Plus, the ball hawks gamble and give up big plays. They give and they take.

You failed to mention Gerald Sensabaugh not doing his job last night on that Steve Smith 32 yard pass. Newman played his assignment like he was supposed to do on that pay. He cut off Smith and the ball ended up being short and became a jump ball. Newman tried to knock the ball out, but he couldn't reach it.

Sensabaugh, who was late on the play, had the ball right there for him to strip away, but he didn't do it. I don't know what Sensabaugh is thinking by not going for the ball right in his face. That bracket coverage should have worked and would have if Sensabaugh had a clue.

Newman missed a tackle last night on a big WR, but he made several and probably saved a TD when he tripped Bradshaw.

Newman dropped that pick, but I"ve seen him make that pick over his entire career. He didn't drop the next one.

dbair is right.

Newman has been one of the few bright spots on this team this year, and it shouldn't be a big surprise. He's one of the most consistent players in the NFL, and he plays his best against the best.

How many times did Newman shut down DeSean Jackson last year?

I've said it before. Newman is a solid player. He's not top 5 in the league though. He gets beat to often, and even picked on at times. The only reason teams shy away from him sometimes is because he's the best CB on the team. Naturally teams throw at our other CB's cuz they have been terrible. That's all.

Newman has also dropped more than his fair share of picks over the years, which is why we say he's not a playmaker. He's really not, especially for the money he gets paid. The second one that he did pick was tipped and right to him. A monkey could have caught that.

Point is, he's a good CB, but he does have mental lapses, he does get beat, and he doesn't make enough plays to be considered elite. I'm still glad he's on our team, he's just not as great as some here think.
 
ShiningStar;3652635 said:
15 years to get a SB ring, than look what Tomlin has done since than.


...the difference is Polamalu, Roethlisberger, Harrison and Ward...just to name a few...Cowher was never going to get a ring with the likes of Neil O'donnell and Kordell Stewart/Tommy Maddox but he came close...
 
ThreeSportStar80;3653242 said:
Dallas needs to draft another lockdown CB... Patrick Peterson from LSU would be ideal.


...i think Scandrick, Jenkins and Newman are fine but a new DC is sorely needed...these guys don't believe in Wade/Campo anymore...and perhaps he quit on them first, which facilitated the decline...a [young] veteran Free Safety is the single best thing the Cowboys can do for the secondary...they can't afford to draft high on anything but the o-line and projects like Ball won't get them where they need to go NOW...New Orleans did'nt get over the hump until they got Darren Sharper and his super season of INT's...
 
wileedog;3652752 said:
Just ask yourself this question and be honest.

If Wade was handed the 2003 team with Quincy Carter at the helm and Zimmer playing bend don't break defense, what would have been the result? The only good player on the entire defense was Woody, and borderline Dat. There was no one worth a damn on offense.

If Parcells was handed the 2007 team with Tony Romo with a Pro Bowl year under his belt, Ware and Ratliff and much better talent throughout the roster, what do you guess would have been the result?

If there is a shred of intellectual honestly, you have to say that Parcells would have won more games, two division titles, got us HFA one of those seasons, and probably a lot more.

Wade got handed a Ferrarri and his driving skills are being compared to Parcells in a Kia.

Wade can't win with this team this year. What makes you think he could have done a darn thing with the rubbish Parcells inherited?

No, I dont believe that at all.

First Parcells chose to stick with Zimmer, he wasnt forced into it. If he didnt like the guy or his coaching philosophy/scheme, he should have replaced him immediately. He didnt.

Second, while making the playoffs in 2003 is an accomplishment, anyone can see it was more of a reflection on one of the easiest schedules we've ever had more than anything else.

Wade was a better defensive coach than Parcells or Zimmer, and initially the difference he made was very noticeable.

Lastly, when we got Parcells it was not Parcells of the Giants days. It was Parcells the burnout who IMO only came back for the money.
 
The Great Number 8;3652957 said:
In the end Jerry will probably do something crazy like promote Garrett and then hire Norv as his OC.

And that wouldnt be the worst thing that could happen. Read Randy Galloway's column today about promoting Garrett (now, not later)

As for Norv, I wouldnt want him as HC but the guy is the best playcaller/game planner in the league. he's be a huge asset as OC.
 
dbair1967;3652391 said:
4) There's only two defensive players that after 6 games, I can honestly say are playing up to expectations. Ware and Newman.

I have to ask....do you really think DWare has played up to expectations this season, or are you merely recognizing the same talent that everyone recognizes and are a little afraid of the backlash of saying the guy isn't making plays, isn't getting consistent pressure on QBs, and most of the time isn't really much of a factor?

In my opinion, Ware is a guy who is so talented that he completely destroys weak OTs and will get sacks in bunches if help isn't provided. However, it seems to me that when he's blocked 1-1 by a good OT or gets RB help, the guy has no answer and is basically invisible for long stretches of time. I don't even care about sacks...as often as teams pass, the guy should have numerous pressures and a few hits on QB's no matter who's blocking him. He looks like he either speed rushes around the outside, running himself out of the play, or he makes a move, sees the OT has great position, and just stops.

In his first 2-3 years, the guy was all over the field, chasing down RBs and receivers, making tackles...everyone says how great he is, but he doesn't seem to produce to me. If it's really all about how he's blocked, then why aren't teams blocking the guys who ARE putting up all the big plays the same way?

I'm disappointed in Spencer's lack of production this year, but I'm equally unhappy with what I don't see from Ware.
 
[10) In terms of next years HC, I really have no preference right now. Other than that I really dont want a retread. I do think Jerry will lean towards a high profile guy, because he will have to do something to re-energize the fan base. A no name or another Wade Phillips type retread isnt going to do that. And the rest of this year may get really ugly. Cowher worries me but I could see why Jerry would want him. Gruden is interesting, but who he'd surround himself with on the staff would be key. I like what I've seen from Jim Harbaugh at Stanford, but he's a pretty huge risk. Del Rio and Fox will probably both be canned, but I really dont want either of them. Fox maybe, but like Gruden it would be key to see who he installs as OC and DC. I'd really love to see us nail the next Jimmy Johnson type coach though. Might not be one out there, but that would be ideal.

I'm still sick just plain sick. Good posts above and I would like to add the team played with emotion I had not seen in any of the games thus far this year. They just got beat by a superior team. Wade's situation is obvious and I have been thinking about it nonstop. The three names you keep hearing the most are the chin, fox, and chuckie. Which of these three has the most experience with a "hands on" owner? Would that not be chuckie? Did he not have Bruce Allen controlling the front office as well? I think its him guys based on this. The only problem I see, as you stated above is who would be brought in. I would not be thrilled moving back to a 4-3 but spencer and ware may be better suited as pure DE so you never know. Gosh I am just sick. Romo gets blamed in here for not being the guy or having it, well now we get to see, exactly what he brings to the table. Please don't count this week if your a Romo basher, the jags defense is one of the worst and makes cassel look like a top ten qb..wait till we play a team with a secondary first please.
 
DBair, I wish you could add an edit to point number three for a special mention of Sam Hurd. He played like the season was on the line and I for one appreciated it.
 

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