Day After Thoughts

[dbair1967]

Train wreck. Rock Bottom. Total and utter failure.

You pick the terms to describe futility, and it pretty much fits here.

Been watching football since 75, this version of the Cowboys has to go down as doing the least with the most in the history of the league, and certainly since the time I began watching it.

1) Jerry, you want fan forgiveness? Then act like you "get it" and run that doof Wade today. There's no reason whatsoever to keep him. The ONLY reason to keep him was for his defensive expertise, and now the defense is probably the worst in the NFL. He's totally lost the team, no matter what ny of them say publicly for him.

2) Phil Simms' comments should pretty much be sealing the doom for Wade. Its embarrassing. These last two games have been a joke defensively. Seriously Wade, there's gotta be more than two plays in your playbook. That crap is Zimmer-esque.

3) Positives- Jon Kitna...deserved much better than what he got. Dez Bryant. Kid is just amazing, they nailed it with him big time. Buehler. Pretty **** sad, he's a positive because he made his FG attempt. I guess I give props to Newman too, trying to play after reportedly taking multiple injections. At least he cares. I suspect he might be out a couple weeks now though. Which is gonna hurt.

4) We got beat badly at home, by a team that had been basically lambasted in all their losses this year. We're now 0-4 at home. A season that started with championship aspirations has sunk so low that not even halfway through the season, home fans have bags on their heads.

5) I think we're a shoe in for a top 5 pick, and honestly its hard for me to see us winning more than 2 more games this year. We might even end u with the 1st pick overall.

6) Suggestion to mods/owner. Anyone who posts "trade so and so" threads, why not move them to a garbage folder somewhere instead of taking up front page space? Trade Tony Romo, Jason Witten and DeMarcus Ware threads? REALLY? *** people. If they wont be moved, then people who crap all over said stupid idea shouldnt be "warned" or given "infractions" People also should cry or complain when people call them out over such stupidity.

7) Miles Austin...COME ON MAN. You run great routes and can display amazing hands at times (and did on a couple of thoser grabs yesterday) but you gotta quit dropping some of these easy ones. Even though he's dropped a few too many, he's still on pace for almost 100 catches and 1500 yds. **** good player. Cant believe we actually have fools questioning why we signed him to a longterm deal. Oh wait, this is CZ. No further explanation needed.

8) The more I watch Stanford, the more I like Jim Harbaugh. Though I wonder if he really wants to even try the NFL. If we didnt have Romo already, I'd say Andrew Luck would be a potential great add considering our likely draft position, but drafting them (QB's) that high is such a risk, and he'd really be more of a luxury pick. I also doubt any big name coach we do add would be willing to wait on Luck, when you could go with Romo and upgrade other areas, and be right back in the mix next year.

9) Glad to see Brent get more PT, and Lissemore as well. Cant say I noticed much, if any difference from Lissmore to guys like Hatcher, Bowen or Olshansky. Nobody has mentioned it any that I've seen, but I think the loss of Grantham, and him being replace by Pasqualoni was a HUGE loss. The DL (incl Ratliff) has taken a huge step back, especially vs the run. And Wade hired Pasqualoni virtually the second he was let go in Miami without even considering anyone else. This guy cant coach. I didnt think he was any good when he was here before, he was terrible in Miami and he's been lousy here again.

10) Absolutely, positively no reason not to start playing guys like Lee, Church, McCray and some of the young OL. I'd call up Bright (been saying it for weeks) to let him get some G reps. Young should probably start seeing some PT at RT but at the very least, you gotta put Barron out there for Colombo. Him and Davis are just embarrassingly bad. I'd also bring up McCann and start letting him get some reps at CB. Cant be much worse than Scandrick. Plus it looks like Newman might miss some games anayway.

11) Its not time to play McGee for Kitna, but I'd definitely consider it the last 3-4 games of the season. I would start getting him more and more reps in practice though.

12) Hey Barber, there's this thing instinctive players do when they get close to the GL and see they cant run in, its called REACH OUT WITH THE BALL. That first run on the GL should have been an easy TD. This guy shouldnt get anymore PT here unless Jones or Choice got hurt.

Break out the Pepto, liquor and Tylenol...its gonna be a long one.

 

[Gaede]

Good post David.

It's a pretty bad season when it's only halfway through and the only thing you can get excited about is the end of the season

 

[noshame]

Been watching football since 75, this version of the Cowboys has to go down as doing the least with the most in the history of the league, and certainly since the time I began watching it.

Truer words have never been spoken, I've been watching since '64 and it's a fact.

 

[canters]

I tend to agree. Let's play the newer guys on D more to see what we have. We know what we have in the older guys, and it ain't good.

 

[Hoofbite]

I'm right with you. I can't see more than a win or two.

Buddy of mine told me Dallas would finish with 5 and I couldn't help laughing.

Before yesterday I was looking at Detroit and Arizona as the only ones possible but even those teams look better than Dallas. At least they play hard.

I'd start getting some younger guys playing time, especially on defense. The results really cannot get any worse. I don't know what I would do about the OL though. Seems the entire line and it's backups are trash, Free being the only exception and Kosier who is hurt.

I had forgotten that the GB game was on Sunday Night. Dallas is going to get embarrassed for a 2nd time in like 2 weeks on national TV.

If I were Jerry, or more likely Stephen, I'd go into that locker room and put people on notice. Anyone who quits on the team will be looking for another team or traded to the sphincter of the league in Buffalo. Dallas may have a record close to Buffalo's but at least it doesn't get hellish cold in Dallas.

I think it's a sad day when guys can't even play for pride. These guys literally cannot even play hard enough to hold their heads up. Management should start making a list of guys who aren't giving everything they have and look to start trading them, no matter what their name is. I'm dead serious. Nobody should be spared if they are believed to have quit. Currently, that list would probably be LONG as only a few guys have given the impression that they actually care.

Marion Barber has the attitude but he no longer has the game. He's a perfect example of why the entire system in Dallas is broken. He's not getting the job done. I love the way the guy plays the game and loved it when he was pounding the defense but he's lost 2-3 steps. He can't get to the corner and can't make a person miss anymore. At this point, he should be told that the team is going to go with another player but it hasn't happened. Barber and Choice should have their roles switched but for whatever reason, nothing is being done about it.

Alan Ball is the worst football player in the league. He's worse than Jesse Holley. I honestly can't even think of another name. Jesse Holley was the team's biggest joke until Alan Ball stepped out on the field this year. Now, Holley looks like a deity in cleats. There is no way that Ball should make the squad next year. He and about probably about a dozen other players should get pink slips immediately after the last game of the season. Let them try to find jobs without a CBA. I said in another thread that the team didn't make a mistake by getting rid of Hamlin. Hamlin was a JAG. Not starting quality......which is probably why he isn't starting. The mistake they made was thinking Alan Ball could play. Who actually advocated for this kid? Who missed so badly on Alan Ball? I'm not saying I would have liked Dallas to burn a 1st rounder on a safety but there are a couple of safeties from that draft who went later than the 1st round and who would be significant upgrades. Rampage's crush would probably be a significant upgrade. Dallas will get a good look at him next week.

I've almost lost all interest in this season. I had to check what time the game was on yesterday morning because I didn't bother looking earlier. Usually, I know when a game is on and my Sunday is planned. I actually planned a Sunday without having football included and just decided I would move around my important things depending on the time of the game. Pretty much sucks. At least I pulled a Fantasy win. My team is actually pretty good but I gotta find a QB somewhere. I should just rotate in and out the QBs who are playing against Dallas. I may actually pick up Stafford and try that out in a couple of weeks.

This season just sucks. If Wade isn't canned today, I'll wait until next week. That is only thing that I am really looking forward to on a weekly basis. Wade getting fired. Let's hope it happens soon.

 

[casmith07]

Great post, Dave...I agree with #6 and #12.

Also, I was glad to see Barry Church in there. Dude isn't afraid to hit someone and even when he almost got run over by Maurice Jones-Drew, he wrapped up on the tackle and didn't just do the "body bump."

Thanks for this one - I posted that Hostile's and Yakuza Rich's posts are my favorite, you're in my top 3 post-game threads too. Keep it up, even if we keep tanking it.

 

[Gaede]

It sucks to say, but I agree, I only see one more win at most in the rest of the season. These guys have so obviously packed it in, that there is no possible way they can actually earn a win. Even with all the luck in the world (see: giants game) they'll still quit. A team with no fire or interest in the game is completely useless. We have NO chance at all.

It's not even defeatist to say this now. We're actually gonna end up with the #1 pick in the draft. Think about it.

 

[Iago33]

12) Hey Barber, there's this thing instinctive players do when they get close to the GL and see they cant run in, its called REACH OUT WITH THE BALL. That first run on the GL should have been an easy TD. This guy shouldnt get anymore PT here unless Jones or Choice got hurt.

I can't believe I'm defending Barber because he just hasn't been good enough, but his arm was being held on the goal line attempt. He couldn't reach out.

 

[TNCowboy]

I think it's wishful thinking to believe that we can be "right back in the mix" next year. It's possible as mediocre as the league is right now, but I think that more than likely, there's too much rot in this team to just plug a few guys in and be back in serious contention.

Our OL needs to be completely retooled. We have maybe 2 starters who can be here for more than another year or so. The DL has serious issues as well. Not to mention that if they hire a coach who wants to run the 43, that's a whole new level of uncertainty. The secondary is in shambles. The 1-6 record isn't a fluke.

Maybe we can get a coach who can turn it around in one year. I have my doubts. One of the big reasons I don't think it is likely is that our second line players, the guys who play STs, the nickel DBs, the backups in general, are terrible. I think once you get past our top 10 or 12 players, we have one of the worst rosters in the league. Since 2006, our drafts have been terrible, and it's finally catching up to us.

If you look at our OL, for example, how many guys do we have that could start for the Giants? Or the Ravens? Gurode, maybe? I think that, truthfully, this is a bigger rebuilding project than we want to admit.

I believe a young guy like Harbaugh might be inclined to start over with his own QB. From listening to ESPN, the football people they have on over the years have differing opinions on Romo, so I don't think it's a given that the new coach won't want to draft a QB. Even if the new coach in question is a big believer in Romo, he's going to be 31 next spring. The time is approaching when you have to start looking for his replacement, unless you want to get caught like we did after Aikman, with 5 years of scrubs.

As much as it annoys you, trade debates (and the draft) will be about all we have to discuss the next several months. Like it or not, there is no player that should be safe. As someone said in another thread, if ABC player can fetch us a bounty, he shouldn't be off the table, especially if the new coach comes in with the premise that he can't win with this roster and it needs to be rebuilt.

 

[casmith07]

I think it's wishful thinking to believe that we can be "right back in the mix" next year. It's possible as mediocre as the league is right now, but I think that more than likely, there's too much rot in this team to just plug a few guys in and be back in serious contention.

Our OL needs to be completely retooled. We have maybe 2 starters who can be here for more than another year or so. The DL has serious issues as well. Not to mention that if they hire a coach who wants to run the 43, that's a whole new level of uncertainty. The secondary is in shambles. The 1-6 record isn't a fluke.

Maybe we can get a coach who can turn it around in one year. I have my doubts. One of the big reasons I don't think it is likely is that our second line players, the guys who play STs, the nickel DBs, the backups in general, are terrible. I think once you get past our top 10 or 12 players, we have one of the worst rosters in the league. Since 2006, our drafts have been terrible, and it's finally catching up to us.

If you look at our OL, for example, how many guys do we have that could start for the Giants? Or the Ravens? Gurode, maybe? I think that, truthfully, this is a bigger rebuilding project than we want to admit.

I believe a young guy like Harbaugh might be inclined to start over with his own QB. From listening to ESPN, the football people they have on over the years have differing opinions on Romo, so I don't think it's a given that the new coach won't want to draft a QB. Even if the new coach in question is a big believer in Romo, he's going to be 31 next spring. The time is approaching when you have to start looking for his replacement, unless you want to get caught like we did after Aikman, with 5 years of scrubs.

As much as it annoys you, trade debates (and the draft) will be about all we have to discuss the next several months. Like it or not, there is no player that should be safe. As someone said in another thread, if ABC player can fetch us a bounty, he shouldn't be off the table, especially if the new coach comes in with the premise that he can't win with this roster and it needs to be rebuilt.

I think we'll be back in the mix next year, but I think we'll be 1 year away from seriously competing. That is, of course, assuming that the other teams don't go completely upside down again and we emerge as the least-worst like the Giants did last week.

New Orleans looks like they've finally gotten their football legs, though. They're only going to be more dangerous once they get Reggie Bush back if they're continuing to click like this without him as a weapon in their lineup.

 

[Bware_Dware]

Good post.... I believe it has to start with coaching coaching coaching..

Jerry needs to bring in someone who can hand pick who they want and have control of the football aspect rather than an owner playing fantasy football up in his box. I like Jerry and his desire to win, but he needs to stick to the business aspect.

As for our likely high draft pick. I know OL is a must but we cant overlook taking guys like P.Patterson or Amukamara to pair up with Jenkins.

Clean out the waste. Guys like Bigg... Columbo... Brooking... are liabilities and serve no real purpose this year/next. Mankins is a top priority in my mind this off season. Barber will likely be gone so Choice will be more than capable.

I do believe we have the people to be competitive next year but as previously stated, it comes down to the coaching. Which should be priority number 1.

 

[mldardy]

I think it's wishful thinking to believe that we can be "right back in the mix" next year. It's possible as mediocre as the league is right now, but I think that more than likely, there's too much rot in this team to just plug a few guys in and be back in serious contention.

Our OL needs to be completely retooled. We have maybe 2 starters who can be here for more than another year or so. The DL has serious issues as well. Not to mention that if they hire a coach who wants to run the 43, that's a whole new level of uncertainty. The secondary is in shambles. The 1-6 record isn't a fluke.

Maybe we can get a coach who can turn it around in one year. I have my doubts. One of the big reasons I don't think it is likely is that our second line players, the guys who play STs, the nickel DBs, the backups in general, are terrible. I think once you get past our top 10 or 12 players, we have one of the worst rosters in the league. Since 2006, our drafts have been terrible, and it's finally catching up to us.

If you look at our OL, for example, how many guys do we have that could start for the Giants? Or the Ravens? Gurode, maybe? I think that, truthfully, this is a bigger rebuilding project than we want to admit.

I believe a young guy like Harbaugh might be inclined to start over with his own QB. From listening to ESPN, the football people they have on over the years have differing opinions on Romo, so I don't think it's a given that the new coach won't want to draft a QB. Even if the new coach in question is a big believer in Romo, he's going to be 31 next spring. The time is approaching when you have to start looking for his replacement, unless you want to get caught like we did after Aikman, with 5 years of scrubs.

As much as it annoys you, trade debates (and the draft) will be about all we have to discuss the next several months. Like it or not, there is no player that should be safe. As someone said in another thread, if ABC player can fetch us a bounty, he shouldn't be off the table, especially if the new coach comes in with the premise that he can't win with this roster and it needs to be rebuilt.

It's not wishful thinking not in today's NFL. You can turn around a season in one year with a new coaching staff, new attitude, some good draft picks and a few small changes. Back in the 90's yeah it took 3-4 years to turn it around but not anymore. When you look at teams in the last decade that have either won or gone to the Super Bowl after having bad, mediocre seasons the year before. Look at teams like Tampa, St. Louis, Seattle, Kansas City, Oakland this year as prime examples. You can also fall on your face after being really good the year before too like us, Minnesota, San Diego. So no it isn't wishful thinking to be sitting here one year from now and we are in first place in the NFC East.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Great read. Thanks for it.



Jerry gets no forgiveness what so ever. He would be doing the franchise, himself, and the fans a favor by stepping down as the GM/Asst coach/coord/scouting,PR guy. I swear, does any owner do MORE interviews than this guy? It's a joke.

Hell, THIS defense, or poor excuse of a defense is making me MISS the Zimmer defense. And I couldn't stand that defense.

Yes, Dez is definately gonna be a player in this league, for a while. He is just that great. Props to Newman. It will be a loss, but, at this point. Doesn't really matter. I watched the Saints last night, playin with 3 safeties at DB and succeeding. Coaching, coaching.

Dallas has been terrible in the new home. Might as well of rebuilt Texas Stadium. Save some coin.

If Dallas does get in the top 5 for draft picks. Here's to hoping they trade down. Unless a stud RB is sitting there. Naw, still trade down. They need more then one player.

Miles, Miles, Miles, Focus bro, focus.

I can't comment on the Stanford thing. Don't know anything about Harbaugh.

I do like what I saw from Brent as well. he has a motor. Congrats on Lissmore fighting through the hands to the face and hold to get the sack.

Definately time to start evaluating younger talent. Won't hurt to play em. Find out what they got.

I agree with McGee getting some games in too. Towards the end. Hopefully they let him let it loose, not just checkdown passes.

I am 100% done with Barber. If doesn't play another down, good with me. He hurts this offense. Personally, I don't really care for any of the RB's Dallas has. If I am keeping one though, it is Jones.


Jack and Coke has been flying for weeks now. LOL. I am pretty sure I am keeping my local store in business with my purchases. He is becoming a Cowboys fan because of me spending so much money there.

It is time for this coaching staff and team to just go out and play balls out football. I just don't see it happening. I see players just collecting a check. Especially saw that on Sunday.

 

[Gaede]

Sparano and BP took a 1-15 team to the playoffs in one year.

We get a good coach, good draft, and dump the waste, we can be competitive again

 

[casmith07]

Sparano and BP took a 1-15 team to the playoffs in one year.

We get a good coach, good draft, and dump the waste, we can be competitive again

Ken Whisenhunt took the woeful Cardinals to the Super Bowl in what, 2 years? Come on people. We have better personnel than Arizona.

 

[Future]

7) Miles Austin...COME ON MAN. You run great routes and can display amazing hands at times (and did on a couple of thoser grabs yesterday) but you gotta quit dropping some of these easy ones. Even though he's dropped a few too many, he's still on pace for almost 100 catches and 1500 yds. **** good player.

Nice post overall.

This Miles thing really irks me. I'm not really trying to compare the two or say the situation is the same, but dropping balls is one of the key elements to getting TO run out of town.

 

[Hostile]

6) Suggestion to mods/owner. Anyone who posts "trade so and so" threads, why not move them to a garbage folder somewhere instead of taking up front page space? Trade Tony Romo, Jason Witten and DeMarcus Ware threads? REALLY? *** people. If they wont be moved, then people who crap all over said stupid idea shouldnt be "warned" or given "infractions" People also should cry or complain when people call them out over such stupidity.

This is a great suggestion for the forum, but a horrible one for the staff. Editing posts is always touchy because even if we do it for the good of the forum people will not see it that way. From our perspective sometimes it is better to let people who post dumb things take their lumps than for us to step in. Infractions only happen when lumps get too personal.

 

[TNCowboy]

Sparano and BP took a 1-15 team to the playoffs in one year.

We get a good coach, good draft, and dump the waste, we can be competitive again

They didn't rebuild it in one year though. They remade the team to some degree, and a new attitude, a new system, and an easy schedule helped them to make the playoffs. But once they got there, they got exposed by a team with better personnel.

They still have holes that they haven't filled. They're on the right track, but in terms of overall talent in comparison to the AFC's best teams, they don't compare.

 

[TNCowboy]

Ken Whisenhunt took the woeful Cardinals to the Super Bowl in what, 2 years? Come on people. We have better personnel than Arizona.

And it was a fluke. They were a 9-7 team. There's no lasting long-term program in place there. I'm not referring to everything breaking your way and sneaking in the backdoor.

I'm looking more at the Colts, Ravens, Steelers, and Patriots. Building teams that consistently contend for years isn't done in one offseason. Fans don't want to admit it, but the Cowboys roster is as thin as tissue. We have about 10 really good players, and then a bunch of guys that would be right at home on Detroit or Carolina's roster.

 

[Gaede]

They didn't rebuild it in one year though. They remade the team to some degree, and a new attitude, a new system, and an easy schedule helped them to make the playoffs. But once they got there, they got exposed by a team with better personnel.

They still have holes that they haven't filled. They're on the right track, but in terms of overall talent in comparison to the AFC's best teams, they don't compare.

That's exactly what I was referring to though, in not as many words. I said competitive, not superbowl bound. Getting a good coach is synonymous with changing attitudes, culture, systems. We get that, and we have a chance to not be embarrasing anymore