Verdammung
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Please excuse me for this, but I have some things to get off my chest.
#58 UCF DT Trysten Hill
Feelings: I've made my position on this known before now; I hate this pick.
Why did they pick him? Because he has traits Marinelli values in the DT position; athleticism, quickness off the snap that translates into penetration, high effort, 1-Tech experience, and general ineffectiveness playing DT.
Why do I hate this pick? First, there was some concerns about him getting along with coaching, but if they're fine with it, I won't question it that much. Second, because I didn't feel like he was a consistent pass rush threat. Third, and most importantly, this guy gets knocked around. Go watch him against Memphis, not only in their regular season game, but in the conference championship as well. Maybe I don't know what I'm doing, but I don't see any resemblance of ability to play with power.
I'm admittedly a lot lower on him than most, but I graded him as a backup player with some traits and good measurables. He's worth a shot, but if you're like me, that's not worth even a third round pick, let alone a second rounder. I had him graded as a fourth to fifth rounder.
Not only did they have their choice of four safeties with grades anywhere inbetween the second and the third round, but there was a better 3-tech on the board that I'd argue had also has quickness off the snap, motor, pass rushing ability, and penetration against the run; Dre'Mont Jones.
#90 Penn State G/C Connor McGovern
Feelings: I expect a lot of people hate this pick. I have mixed feelings about it, but I'm ultimately fine with it.
I didn't like the choice of picking OL. I feel like we're a little too deep at the position group now, and when it comes time to cut to 53, we're going to lose a roster worthy player. Maybe we should send out feelers for one of our depth players, but I doubt have any real trade value.
That being said, the most important thing to me is to get the player value right, and I am here to tell yall that they drafted a good football player here. I'm a lot higher on him than others, but I had him as a high second round value.
The Positives: He brings starting experience at both the center and guard postion. Decent measurables. My note on his tape; all purpose run blocker, with power, positioning, sustainability, and mobility. Generally doesn't take snaps off.
The Negatives: Needs improvement in protection. I felt he was more battle-tested than most interior linemen, but he'll get beat once a game. Not consistently good with his assignment recognition. Center-Guard flex was listed as a positive, but believe me, he's much better as a guard than a center. Issues with balance (I feel like every player has issues with balance).
Discount Value on the Board
Running Back
Justice Hill - Lance Dunbar.
Wide Receiver
Jakoby Meyers, N.C. State - Lacks separation speed. Not always quick, but crafty as a route runner. Catches everything; not an exaggeration in contested situations.
Kelvin Harmon, N.C. State - The more well known N.C. State receiver. Scouting report reads the same. Fun note, maybe the best blocking WR I've seen.
Riley Ridley, Georgia - Great route runner.
Offensive Line
Don't even think about it.
Defensive End
Anthony Nelson, Iowa - Solid, but unexciting LE. Every down starting RE in our scheme.
Maxx Crosby, Eastern Michigan - He needs development, but I saw some DeMarcus Lawrence-esque complete LE ability to him.
Defensive Tackle
Renell Wren, Arizona State - Needs development, but all the traits in the world and arguable ascending player. Large and powerful, so automatically disqualified.
Linebacker
Ben Burr-Kirven, Washington - I like his ability, but he may be too much of a will for us to consider him. Or we could just use all wills all the time.
Justin Hollins, Oregon - Played OLB in a 3-4, so he's considered an edge rushing prospect by many. I don't really believe in that, and consider him more of a Sam in the mold of Kyle Wilbur.
Ulysees Gilbert III, Akron - Underweight, but hyper athletic with great coverage ability. Once again, too much of a will.
Cornerback
Julian Love, Notre Dame - Under 6'0", so automatically disqualified.
Michael Jackson, Miami - Just beat it.
Defensive Back
Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, Florida - I had a 1-2 on him, citing shutdown slot coverage ability with free safety potential. Broaddus claims that he flunked the interview with the Cowboys though, so if he's still available after three rounds, it must be a real concern.
Safety
Amani Hooker, Iowa - Experienced playing close to the line as a hybrid slot/OLB.
Deionte Thompson, Alabama - I was never on board with him being a first or even a second round pick, but now he's fallen due to injury concerns. Something to consider.
#58 UCF DT Trysten Hill
Feelings: I've made my position on this known before now; I hate this pick.
Why did they pick him? Because he has traits Marinelli values in the DT position; athleticism, quickness off the snap that translates into penetration, high effort, 1-Tech experience, and general ineffectiveness playing DT.
Why do I hate this pick? First, there was some concerns about him getting along with coaching, but if they're fine with it, I won't question it that much. Second, because I didn't feel like he was a consistent pass rush threat. Third, and most importantly, this guy gets knocked around. Go watch him against Memphis, not only in their regular season game, but in the conference championship as well. Maybe I don't know what I'm doing, but I don't see any resemblance of ability to play with power.
I'm admittedly a lot lower on him than most, but I graded him as a backup player with some traits and good measurables. He's worth a shot, but if you're like me, that's not worth even a third round pick, let alone a second rounder. I had him graded as a fourth to fifth rounder.
Not only did they have their choice of four safeties with grades anywhere inbetween the second and the third round, but there was a better 3-tech on the board that I'd argue had also has quickness off the snap, motor, pass rushing ability, and penetration against the run; Dre'Mont Jones.
#90 Penn State G/C Connor McGovern
Feelings: I expect a lot of people hate this pick. I have mixed feelings about it, but I'm ultimately fine with it.
I didn't like the choice of picking OL. I feel like we're a little too deep at the position group now, and when it comes time to cut to 53, we're going to lose a roster worthy player. Maybe we should send out feelers for one of our depth players, but I doubt have any real trade value.
That being said, the most important thing to me is to get the player value right, and I am here to tell yall that they drafted a good football player here. I'm a lot higher on him than others, but I had him as a high second round value.
The Positives: He brings starting experience at both the center and guard postion. Decent measurables. My note on his tape; all purpose run blocker, with power, positioning, sustainability, and mobility. Generally doesn't take snaps off.
The Negatives: Needs improvement in protection. I felt he was more battle-tested than most interior linemen, but he'll get beat once a game. Not consistently good with his assignment recognition. Center-Guard flex was listed as a positive, but believe me, he's much better as a guard than a center. Issues with balance (I feel like every player has issues with balance).
Discount Value on the Board
Running Back
Justice Hill - Lance Dunbar.
Wide Receiver
Jakoby Meyers, N.C. State - Lacks separation speed. Not always quick, but crafty as a route runner. Catches everything; not an exaggeration in contested situations.
Kelvin Harmon, N.C. State - The more well known N.C. State receiver. Scouting report reads the same. Fun note, maybe the best blocking WR I've seen.
Riley Ridley, Georgia - Great route runner.
Offensive Line
Don't even think about it.
Defensive End
Anthony Nelson, Iowa - Solid, but unexciting LE. Every down starting RE in our scheme.
Maxx Crosby, Eastern Michigan - He needs development, but I saw some DeMarcus Lawrence-esque complete LE ability to him.
Defensive Tackle
Renell Wren, Arizona State - Needs development, but all the traits in the world and arguable ascending player. Large and powerful, so automatically disqualified.
Linebacker
Ben Burr-Kirven, Washington - I like his ability, but he may be too much of a will for us to consider him. Or we could just use all wills all the time.
Justin Hollins, Oregon - Played OLB in a 3-4, so he's considered an edge rushing prospect by many. I don't really believe in that, and consider him more of a Sam in the mold of Kyle Wilbur.
Ulysees Gilbert III, Akron - Underweight, but hyper athletic with great coverage ability. Once again, too much of a will.
Cornerback
Julian Love, Notre Dame - Under 6'0", so automatically disqualified.
Michael Jackson, Miami - Just beat it.
Defensive Back
Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, Florida - I had a 1-2 on him, citing shutdown slot coverage ability with free safety potential. Broaddus claims that he flunked the interview with the Cowboys though, so if he's still available after three rounds, it must be a real concern.
Safety
Amani Hooker, Iowa - Experienced playing close to the line as a hybrid slot/OLB.
Deionte Thompson, Alabama - I was never on board with him being a first or even a second round pick, but now he's fallen due to injury concerns. Something to consider.
