DC.COM: Blog: Don't Blame Pacman For Driver Catch

[sbark]

IMO this long play was really well executed.

There was nothing Pacman could have done. To me he played his short zone very well. You can't even give him the blame for covering grass and not staying with the receiver. because just short before the throw there was coming one packer on a crossing route entering his zone. Pacman had to wait just one step before rodgers decided to throw. because of that he was beaten.

there was another packers WR who Tnew was covering. He ran a post route over the middle. That was very well designed because hamlin had to decide between 2 options stay inside and give newman help over the top or cover grass on the outside. he stayed inside also because Tnew looked a bit beaten on that play. Hamlin had no chance coming back.

To me this was just a good play and well executed. rodgers got away from the pressure and found the soft spot in the zone coverage. You can't even blame Jones for not bumping the WR or playing the outside because the Wr ran initially a comback stayed in jones zone and then decided to turn upfield.

nice play as i mentioned before ;-)

the only question i have here is why haven't we put jones in man coverage on that play ? i just don't understand why we are not using our cbs to their abilities especially when we are able to give them help over the top with our safties.

good analysis......my take also......

Be a good play to run against Giants cover 2 that gives us trouble...TO tends to attract both safeties

 

[newlander]

That play sucked on our part, but man.....overall I was blown away how good our DB's were......I've been riding them for a long time....and the dline too....both came through....especially considering Roy was out hurt and Watkins is kind of green. Great game by all those guys IMO.

 

[dbair1967]

I wonder if it was Roy who blew that coverage how different this thread would be.

 

[TwentyOne]

good analysis......

thank you

 

[CrazyCowboy]

good to clear that up

 

[FCBarca]

Well, that is good to hear...And simply seals the deal on the night for Pacman, he played very well and is hopefully getting back to his old form

 

[theebs]

ITs funny how last week it was pacmans fault and this week it isnt.

They both looked like a straight up cover 2.

The difference, there is no need to kiss ken hamlins butt when he makes mistakes because he can handle criticsm.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I wonder if it was Roy who blew that coverage how different this thread would be.

 

[FCBarca]

ITs funny how last week it was pacmans fault and this week it isnt.

They both looked like a straight up cover 2.

The difference, there is no need to kiss ken hamlins butt when he makes mistakes because he can handle criticsm.

I am curious how Hamlin blew that one but more interested in what he was doing holding onto the Packer WR in the endzone late in the game

 

[ddh33]

ITs funny how last week it was pacmans fault and this week it isnt.

They both looked like a straight up cover 2.

The difference, there is no need to kiss ken hamlins butt when he makes mistakes because he can handle criticsm.

Take it up with Wade, if you don't like it. He was just being honest both times.

 

[theebs]

Take it up with Wade, if you don't like it. He was just being honest both times.

Honest or cautious?

 

[TwentyOne]

I am curious how Hamlin blew that one but more interested in what he was doing holding onto the Packer WR in the endzone late in the game

imo hamlin blew nothing. this was a well executed play by the packers and played in the weakness of the called defense. if you like scroll up a bit and read my firdst post in this thread.

 

[ddh33]

Honest or cautious?

Your logic is off. It doesn't help you very much to call out a corner one week for a blown coverage and a safety the next week. There isn't much caution in that, and it would mess up a locker room faster than anything when those guys were getting picked on while other people never received any criticism...

Amazing how Roy Williams is still a story to a lot of people when he didn't even play in the game.

 

[TwentyOne]

ITs funny how last week it was pacmans fault and this week it isnt.

They both looked like a straight up cover 2.

The difference, there is no need to kiss ken hamlins butt when he makes mistakes because he can handle criticsm.

What do you understand as a "straight up cover 2" ?

Cover 2 only means you have 2 deep zones usually asigned to your safeties. It doesn't say how you cover the WRs in detail. You may let your LBs and CBs play the short zones but you can also decide to go man-to man against them with your CBs and have the only LBs cover the short zones. Or you go without zone cover at all an let the CBs and LBs play man-2-man

 

[khiladi]

Don't Blame Pacman For Driver Catch
Posted by jellis at 9/22/2008 4:13 PM CDT on truebluefanclub.com


When Donald Driver hauled in a 50-yard catch and run in the third quarter Sunday, most people's instincts suggested cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones was to blame. After all it was Jones trailing a good 10 yards behind Driver on a stop and go route.


After a look at the film and conferring with Jones, it appears safety Ken Hamlin was actually at fault. The Cowboys were in their dime package with Hamlin the deep safety in a cover two shell. Jones did his job by guarding the right flat, but Hamlin was out of position. Head coach Wade Phillips attempted to take the blame, however, saying "It's my responsibility overall to get them in the right places and we didn't do that on that play."


"For people who don't know, or can't evaluate, the long pass was not Pacman's," Phillips said. "All I can tell you is what it is. If anybody knows anything about cover two you don't have to cover a guy thirty yards down the field. When a guy gets criticized for something that wasn't his responsibility at all I just wanted to bring that up."


-Josh Ellis

So then, if it is Hamlin's fault because they were playing cover-2, then why isn't it Roy's fault when they were playing cover-2 shell, I believe, on the Desean Jackson long TD play? They both were playing deep safety, weren't they??

BTW, this is twice in a row on cover-2 shell where the opponents got a big pass play.. If it is wade's fault, then he better rectify it...

 

[TwentyOne]

Be a good play to run against Giants cover 2 that gives us trouble...TO tends to attract both safeties

Yeah i really like that play also. We just have to give Romo enough time to let the play develop. If we can it could work well.

Did i mention i really look forward to that Giant game ? Especially how our OL looks against their pass rush. If we can handle them it could be a long long night for the Giants.

 

[superpunk]

I don't see the benefit of blaming anyone, tbh. The coverage was blown somewhere. Is there any gain to saying "It's not Pacman", leaving anyone with a Tivo to go back and then blame Hamlin? It's cool to be honest, but I think a simple "We keep play evalutions in house" would suffice. Parcells did it with Glenn, too, after the Skins game. Hooray we can assign blame, but who besides the axe-grinders really have that need?

 

[Khartun]

haha, "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

 

[big dog cowboy]

haha, "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

I can't believe that response took over an hour to get.

 

[Doomsday101]

And just think after the big play by Driver the Pack ended up getting a big 3 points out of the series. :laugh2: