DC.COM/TrueBlue Blog: Nick Eatman: Taking DE Early Is Wasted Pick

[ThreeSportStar80]

Taking DE Early Is Wasted Pick
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Posted by nickeatman at 3/10/2011 5:01 PM CST on truebluefanclub.com

Let’s clarify – taking a defensive end for a 3-4 scheme, with a Top 10 pick – that would be a wasted pick in my opinion. More than anything, it’d be setting a guy up for failure.

We know what happens with a first-round picks that aren’t regulars in the Pro Bowl, the fans and media around here basically put them on the suburbs of Bust-ville. Guys like Greg Ellis and Marcus Spears – good solid pros that were drafted in the first round but never superstars, most people consider them to be average picks....

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[SilverStarCowboy]

Jus' call Tyron.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I've been saying this all along....

I completely agree... 3-4 ends aren't high impact players.

 

[Hostile]

Option #1...Peterson if they can get him.

Option #2...Trade down and add picks if they can.

Option #3...If Peterson is gone and they can't trade down, take Tyron Smith.

 

[21Savage]

I mean just even look at picks like Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson who went to a 3-4 teams. It's just a waste in this scheme. I don't seen any rookies coming in at that position and doing stuff that Hatcher and Bowen can't do.

 

[AsthmaField]

If they're just going to get a guy and use him like we use Marcus Spears, then, I agree. You can find guys like that in later rounds. Just get another position in round 1.

However, if Ryan is going to use multiple fronts using 34, 43, and 46 principles, then a guy like Fairley could be exactly what the doctor ordered. In that case, a player like him could definitely make an impact.

My guess is that Ryan knows what he needs for his scheme, and if he thinks we need a DT/DE, then it isn't going to be a wasted pick.

 

[theogt]

Couldn't agree more with Eatman here.

Option #1...Peterson if they can get him.

Option #2...Trade down and add picks if they can.

Option #3...If Peterson is gone and they can't trade down, take Tyron Smith.

I'm on board with this.

 

[NorthTexan95]

If you draft a guys to get production like Spears then he's not worth the 9th pick. If you're drafting a guy who can be Richard Seymore or Bruce Smith then you grab him as quick as possible.

 

[bbgun]

If you draft a guys to get production like Spears then he's not worth the 9th pick. If you're drafting a guy who can be Richard Seymore or Bruce Smith then you grab him as quick as possible.

Well sure, but we don't run the 4-3.

 

[speedkilz88]

Well sure, but we don't run the 4-3.

Bruce Smith played End in Wade Phillips' 3-4.

 

[Bigdog]

Couldn't agree more with Eatman here.


I'm on board with this.

I second this.

 

[TheSport78]

Option #1...Peterson if they can get him.

Option #2...Trade down and add picks if they can.

Option #3...If Peterson is gone and they can't trade down, take Tyron Smith.

I would just love this.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Well sure, but we don't run the 4-3.

Give the QB some time to get the ball out to the Bryants, Austins and Wittens is crucial, plus the run blocking game.

.... :bang2:

Being critical of the Dallas Defense in general and the skill positions on the Offense side is redundant considering the root of the problem is and always has been the OLine.

 

[28 Joker]

Eatman has nailed this one.

J.J. Watt and Cameron Jordan have no business being in the discussion at 9. I think Jordan will be the better player between the two, but both have no business going in the top 10 of this draft.

I'm not a coach or scout or GM, but I think I'm pretty spot on with this assessment. If you do the horizontal and vertical analysis correctly, or evaluate the talent on this roster and in the draft, there are only three defensive players that Dallas should consider in the top 10.

They are:

Marcell Dareus
Nick Fairley
Patrick Peterson

There is an OT from USC who is lurking, and Bunting tweeted today that some teams have told him that they would be "shocked" if Smith didn't go in the top 10 after his pro day workout. Bunting speculated on Dallas and Washington..

Tyron Smith (20 years old and in the D'Brickashaw Ferguson mold)

In the 2009 draft, the Cowboys passed on 5 current starting offensive linemen in favor of small school projects like Jason Williams and Robert Brewster. That draft produced zero defensive linemen and 1 small school project OL player, who was cut and is on the practice squad. There was value on the board for Dallas in rounds 2, 3, and 4 on the OL and DL, but it was not taken. Again, 5 starting offensive linemen were passed over
(Phil Loadholt, Andy Levitre, Sabastian Vollmer, Antonie Caldwell, and Louis Vasquez). Clemson DT Dorell Scott was passed over, too. T.J. Lang OT/OG was passed over, and he is on the Packers roster.

The organization should go out and find the next Chris Canty in the 3rd or 4th round instead of passing on a blue-chip offensive tackle like Tyron Smith and sticking the offense line with projects or 6th round picks like Sam Young and undrafted players like Phil Costa, because they flat out blew replacing Mark Colombo in that draft.

The offensive tackle board is going to be picked clean by 40. Does Jerry Jones enjoy paying players like Leonard Davis $ 50 million dollar contracts? The Cowboys have been getting diminishing returns since December of 2008 on that contract. It puts your franchise in jeopardy by mortgaging your future. High picks on the offensive line are among the safest picks in the draft.

Now, we (some fans who want the team to have every chance to win) are just supposed to accept J.J. Watt or Cameron Jordan and watch a player like Tyron Smith go play in Washington, Minnesota, Detroit, New York Giants, or Philadelphia. I don't think so.

I hope they enjoyed watching Colombo get destroyed in that divisional playoff game while Loadholt blocked the Cowboys. Mark Colombo was never good enough to pass on a value like Loadholt to start with. Turn the card in fellows.

Colombo collapsed in the 2007 divisional debacle. Did anyone else see Jason Witten and Marion Barber helping Colombo on the last play of the game. Three guys blocking Colombo's man, Strahan. Jason Witten didn't even go out on the route, no wonder the Giants were all over that pass.

Marcell Dareus
Nick Fairley
Patrick Peterson
Tyron Smith

These four players are the only players who should even be in the discussion at 9. Dallas should just stay put and take the OT Smith, because that 3rd or 2nd round pick is going to be a good player, a player who can help you. That 2nd round pick is an interior offensive linemen or CB.

 

[TheSport78]

Eatman has nailed this one.

J.J. Watt and Cameron Jordan have no business being in the discussion at 9. I think Jordan will be the better player between the two, but both have no business going in the top 10 of this draft.

I'm not a coach or scout or GM, but I think I'm pretty spot on with this assessment. If you do the horizontal and vertical analysis correctly, or evaluate the talent on this roster and in the draft, there are only three defensive players that Dallas should consider in the top 10.

They are:

Marcell Dareus
Nick Fairley
Patrick Peterson

There is an OT from USC who is lurking, and Bunting tweeted today that some teams have told him that they would be "shocked" if Smith didn't go in the top 10 after his pro day workout. Bunting speculated on Dallas and Washington..

Tyron Smith (20 years old and in the D'Brickashaw Ferguson mold)

In the 2009 draft, the Cowboys passed on 5 current starting offensive linemen in favor of small school projects like Jason Williams and Robert Brewster. That draft produced zero defensive linemen and 1 small school project OL player, who was cut and is on the practice squad. There was value on the board for Dallas in rounds 2, 3, and 4 on the OL and DL, but it was not taken. Again, 5 starting offensive linemen were passed over
(Phil Loadholt, Andy Levitre, Sabastian Vollmer, Antonie Caldwell, and Louis Vasquez). Clemson DT Dorell Scott was passed over, too. T.J. Lang OT/OG was passed over, and he is on the Packers roster.

The organization should go out and find the next Chris Canty in the 3rd or 4th round instead of passing on a blue-chip offensive tackle like Tyron Smith and sticking the offense line with projects or 6th round picks like Sam Young and undrafted players like Phil Costa, because they flat out blew replacing Mark Colombo in that draft.

The offensive tackle board is going to be picked clean by 40. Does Jerry Jones enjoy paying players like Leonard Davis $ 50 million dollar contracts? The Cowboys have been getting diminishing returns since December of 2008 on that contract. It puts your franchise in jeopardy by mortgaging your future. High picks on the offensive line are among the safest picks in the draft.

Now, we (some fans who want the team to have every chance to win) are just supposed to accept J.J. Watt or Cameron Jordan and watch a player like Tyron Smith go play in Washington, Minnesota, Detroit, New York Giants, or Philadelphia. I don't think so.

I hope they enjoyed watching Colombo get destroyed in that divisional playoff game while Loadholt blocked the Cowboys. Mark Colombo was never good enough to pass on a value like Loadholt to start with. Turn the card in fellows.

Colombo collapsed in the 2007 divisional debacle. Did anyone else see Jason Witten and Marion Barber helping Colombo on the last play of the game. Three guys blocking Colombo's man, Strahan. Jason Witten didn't even go out on the route, no wonder the Giants were all over that pass.

Marcell Dareus
Nick Fairley
Patrick Peterson
Tyron Smith

These four players are the only players who should even be in the discussion at 9. Dallas should just stay put and take the OT Smith, because that 3rd or 2nd round pick is going to be a good player, a player who can help you. That 2nd round pick is an interior offensive linemen.

Agreed. I could live with this:

1st round: OT Tyron Smith
2nd round: DE Cameron Heyward
3rd round: S Deunta Williams
4th round: G/C John Moffitt

 

[CCBoy]

Eatman has nailed this one.

J.J. Watt and Cameron Jordan have no business being in the discussion at 9. I think Jordan will be the better player between the two, but both have no business going in the top 10 of this draft.

I'm not a coach or scout or GM, but I think I'm pretty spot on with this assessment. If you do the horizontal and vertical analysis correctly, or evaluate the talent on this roster and in the draft, there are only three defensive players that Dallas should consider in the top 10.

They are:

Marcell Dareus
Nick Fairley
Patrick Peterson

There is an OT from USC who is lurking, and Bunting tweeted today that some teams have told him that they would be "shocked" if Smith didn't go in the top 10 after his pro day workout. Bunting speculated on Dallas and Washington..

Tyron Smith (20 years old and in the D'Brickashaw Ferguson mold)

In the 2009 draft, the Cowboys passed on 5 current starting offensive linemen in favor of small school projects like Jason Williams and Robert Brewster. That draft produced zero defensive linemen and 1 small school project OL player, who was cut and is on the practice squad. There was value on the board for Dallas in rounds 2, 3, and 4 on the OL and DL, but it was not taken. Again, 5 starting offensive linemen were passed over
(Phil Loadholt, Andy Levitre, Sabastian Vollmer, Antonie Caldwell, and Louis Vasquez). Clemson DT Dorell Scott was passed over, too. T.J. Lang OT/OG was passed over, and he is on the Packers roster.

The organization should go out and find the next Chris Canty in the 3rd or 4th round instead of passing on a blue-chip offensive tackle like Tyron Smith and sticking the offense line with projects or 6th round picks like Sam Young and undrafted players like Phil Costa, because they flat out blew replacing Mark Colombo in that draft.

The offensive tackle board is going to be picked clean by 40. Does Jerry Jones enjoy paying players like Leonard Davis $ 50 million dollar contracts? The Cowboys have been getting diminishing returns since December of 2008 on that contract. It puts your franchise in jeopardy by mortgaging your future. High picks on the offensive line are among the safest picks in the draft.

Now, we (some fans who want the team to have every chance to win) are just supposed to accept J.J. Watt or Cameron Jordan and watch a player like Tyron Smith go play in Washington, Minnesota, Detroit, New York Giants, or Philadelphia. I don't think so.

I hope they enjoyed watching Colombo get destroyed in that divisional playoff game while Loadholt blocked the Cowboys. Mark Colombo was never good enough to pass on a value like Loadholt to start with. Turn the card in fellows.

Colombo collapsed in the 2007 divisional debacle. Did anyone else see Jason Witten and Marion Barber helping Colombo on the last play of the game. Three guys blocking Colombo's man, Strahan. Jason Witten didn't even go out on the route, no wonder the Giants were all over that pass.

Marcell Dareus
Nick Fairley
Patrick Peterson
Tyron Smith

These four players are the only players who should even be in the discussion at 9. Dallas should just stay put and take the OT Smith, because that 3rd or 2nd round pick is going to be a good player, a player who can help you. That 2nd round pick is an interior offensive linemen or CB.

Hey, a quality post there...

And this fan wouldn't care about anything further, if Dallas put together a draft consisting of:

Tyron Smith
Phil Taylor
Danny Watkins

 

[billknows]

Eatman has nailed this one.

J.J. Watt and Cameron Jordan have no business being in the discussion at 9. I think Jordan will be the better player between the two, but both have no business going in the top 10 of this draft.

I'm not a coach or scout or GM, but I think I'm pretty spot on with this assessment. If you do the horizontal and vertical analysis correctly, or evaluate the talent on this roster and in the draft, there are only three defensive players that Dallas should consider in the top 10.

They are:

Marcell Dareus
Nick Fairley
Patrick Peterson

yes i agree :starspin

There is an OT from USC who is lurking, and Bunting tweeted today that some teams have told him that they would be "shocked" if Smith didn't go in the top 10 after his pro day workout. Bunting speculated on Dallas and Washington..

Tyron Smith (20 years old and in the D'Brickashaw Ferguson mold)

In the 2009 draft, the Cowboys passed on 5 current starting offensive linemen in favor of small school projects like Jason Williams and Robert Brewster. That draft produced zero defensive linemen and 1 small school project OL player, who was cut and is on the practice squad. There was value on the board for Dallas in rounds 2, 3, and 4 on the OL and DL, but it was not taken. Again, 5 starting offensive linemen were passed over
(Phil Loadholt, Andy Levitre, Sabastian Vollmer, Antonie Caldwell, and Louis Vasquez). Clemson DT Dorell Scott was passed over, too. T.J. Lang OT/OG was passed over, and he is on the Packers roster.

The organization should go out and find the next Chris Canty in the 3rd or 4th round instead of passing on a blue-chip offensive tackle like Tyron Smith and sticking the offense line with projects or 6th round picks like Sam Young and undrafted players like Phil Costa, because they flat out blew replacing Mark Colombo in that draft.

The offensive tackle board is going to be picked clean by 40. Does Jerry Jones enjoy paying players like Leonard Davis $ 50 million dollar contracts? The Cowboys have been getting diminishing returns since December of 2008 on that contract. It puts your franchise in jeopardy by mortgaging your future. High picks on the offensive line are among the safest picks in the draft.

Now, we (some fans who want the team to have every chance to win) are just supposed to accept J.J. Watt or Cameron Jordan and watch a player like Tyron Smith go play in Washington, Minnesota, Detroit, New York Giants, or Philadelphia. I don't think so.

I hope they enjoyed watching Colombo get destroyed in that divisional playoff game while Loadholt blocked the Cowboys. Mark Colombo was never good enough to pass on a value like Loadholt to start with. Turn the card in fellows.

Colombo collapsed in the 2007 divisional debacle. Did anyone else see Jason Witten and Marion Barber helping Colombo on the last play of the game. Three guys blocking Colombo's man, Strahan. Jason Witten didn't even go out on the route, no wonder the Giants were all over that pass.

Marcell Dareus
Nick Fairley
Patrick Peterson
Tyron Smith

These four players are the only players who should even be in the discussion at 9. Dallas should just stay put and take the OT Smith, because that 3rd or 2nd round pick is going to be a good player, a player who can help you. That 2nd round pick is an interior offensive linemen or CB.

Yes i agree ... big O=line please

 

[SDogo]

I would like someone to explain this to me.

How did a 3-4 DE become such a useless position?

What we have is mass calls to move our best NT in recent history and one of the most disruptive Defensive Line players we have to DE to improve production.

We have magnitudes of people critisizig Spears, Igor, Hatcher and Bowen for lack of production.

THEN

We get the opportunity to upgrade the position and suddenly it's not important.

Till when? Next time it is?

I'm sorry I disagree with this article and I'm baffled by the overall approval.

With that said, if the Cowboys don't see the value at DE at 9 then they should not go that direction but the same can be said for ay position.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Agreed. I could live with this:

1st round: OT Tyron Smith
2nd round: DE Cameron Heyward
3rd round: S Deunta Williams
4th round: G/C John Moffitt

I could live with this as well, I would do a Cartwheel

 

[johnnyd]

I would like someone to explain this to me.

How did a 3-4 DE become such a useless position?

What we have is mass calls to move our best NT in recent history and one of the most disruptive Defensive Line players we have to DE to improve production.

We have magnitudes of people critisizig Spears, Igor, Hatcher and Bowen for lack of production.

THEN

We get the opportunity to upgrade the position and suddenly it's not important.

Till when? Next time it is?

I'm sorry I disagree with this article and I'm baffled by the overall approval.

With that said, if the Cowboys don't see the value at DE at 9 then they should not go that direction but the same can be said for ay position.

Mostly because people have there agenda's. They all know (not think) how to build a football team better than anyone else. The 3-4 DE is not sexy , It doesnt rack up sacks or other fancy stats, New aged fans in all sports(espcially baseball) now dont even watch games they just read stats and think they know it all, They will use every number in the book to argue their points.

Seriously, I think it's Peterson or Smith if we stay at 9. For most people I know it is for me but i would be upset with watt or cameron either because i know it is a need but im sure we will attempt to trade down first because jerry can't help himself espcially in primetime...lol