De Smith declares “war” against the owners

[trickblue]

De Smith... don't you EVER equate your situations as to that of "war" you stupid idiot...

The fact that SO many gave their lives in war to give you the opportunity to make millions sitting high and mighty should make you look back and appreciate the situation you are in...

Pick your words better, you dolt...

 

[SDogo]

De Smith... don't you EVER equate your situations as to that of "war" you stupid idiot...

The fact that SO many gave their lives in war to give you the opportunity to make millions sitting high and mighty should make you look back and appreciate the situation you are in...

Pick your words better, you dolt...

I believe this will come back to kick him in the (you know what). I hope that offers some comfort.

 

[TheRat]

Didn't Jerry Jones recently say a lock out wouldn't be a big deal? Where were all the pitchforks and gnashing of teeth over that statement? It seems like for whatever reason the fans are biased against the players union.

 

[Randy White]

De Smith... don't you EVER equate your situations as to that of "war" you stupid idiot...

The fact that SO many gave their lives in war to give you the opportunity to make millions sitting high and mighty should make you look back and appreciate the situation you are in...

Pick your words better, you dolt...

THIS...

but we're so past that line in society that you might as well make it a Constitution Amendment in order to make it effective.

Wrestling wouldn't exist without that word.

 

[casmith07]

I hope they decertify.

 

[SDogo]

I hope they decertify.

Amen

Every time this fool opens his mouth I gain a little more hope.

 

[RS12]

Didn't Jerry Jones recently say a lock out wouldn't be a big deal? Where were all the pitchforks and gnashing of teeth over that statement? It seems like for whatever reason the fans are biased against the players union.

Big business has brain washed alot of sheep, apparently many on this board. If your boss came to you and I said I need you take a pay cut to pay for my mansion, would you roll over, or would you weigh your options? I dont get the attitude of alot of people here at all.

 

[Randy White]

Didn't Jerry Jones recently say a lock out wouldn't be a big deal? Where were all the pitchforks and gnashing of teeth over that statement? It seems like for whatever reason the fans are biased against the players union.

Against unions in general.. Always have been, until it's their turn to get screwed.. Then it's " all this greedy corporations and their CEO's.. there ought to be a law .. "

Granted, not that unions are all that to begin with, but I always chuckle when I see the vitriol against them because most of it come from people who have actually BENEFITED from union accomplishments..

 

[Aikbach]

Yah, and I have even less for those who make billions.

What a random assertion, no one in the NFL makes billions as an individual.

 

[TheRat]

Against unions in general.. Always have been, until it's their turn to get screwed.. Then it's " all this greedy corporations and their CEO's.. there ought to be a law .. "

Granted, not that unions are all that to begin with, but I always chuckle when I see the vitriol against them because most of it come from people who have actually BENEFITED from union accomplishments..

Yeah Mike Golic on Mike and Mike the other day was bashing unions, but I'm thinking to myself weren't you a big beneficiary of unions when you were a player? Where was all that self righteous indignation then?

 

[Aikbach]

Against unions in general.. Always have been, until it's their turn to get screwed.. Then it's " all this greedy corporations and their CEO's.. there ought to be a law .. "

Granted, not that unions are all that to begin with, but I always chuckle when I see the vitriol against them because most of it come from people who have actually BENEFITED from union accomplishments..

Unions are an archaic practice that have great political pull and die hard, however at least in this instance it is private not public so there is capital being made and not a tax payer being held hostage.

 

[Randy White]

What a random assertion, no one in the NFL makes billions as an individual.

And speaking of random assertion: How do you know ? Do you have access to all 32 business ledgers in the NFL ?

 

[Aikbach]

And speaking of random assertion: How do you know ? Do you have access to all 32 business ledgers in the NFL ?

Their overhead and gross are public record yes. The NFL also partakes in a profit sharing structure, the vast amount of an NFL team's value is in their stadium assets, the sole reason numbers eclipse a billion dollars when appraising franchise value if they were to be sold, that is not net profit for the franchise.

The Cowboys took in roughly 200 million dollars in 2009, about a fifth of the league's total sum.

 

[TheRat]

Unions are an archaic practice that have great political pull and die hard, however at least in this instance it is private not public so there is capital being made and not a tax payer being held hostage.

Actually no they don't. They haven't had any of that for a couple of decades.

 

[Aikbach]

Actually no they don't. They haven't had any of that for a couple of decades.

Tell that to Detroit and the state of California.

 

[Randy White]

Unions are an archaic practice that have great political pull and die hard, however at least in this instance it is private not public so there is capital being made and not a tax payer being held hostage.

Practices that if they're not kept up, would send the work force in the country to levels similar to the begining of the industrial revolution. You know, when 12 years old kids worked in factories at 10 cents a day ?

And you're wrong about tax payers not being held hostage:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/05/2001882/dolphins-seek-cross-county-tax.html#storylink=fbuser


Miami Dolphins stadium push turns to Broward tax
To refurbish its stadium, the Dolphins want hotel taxes from Miami-Dade and Broward. That will require a change in state law, and a major debate by the tourism industry and public.

That's from an poor billionaire owner that " terrible Smith " guy is using the word " war " against because he's demanding players give money back.

 

[Randy White]

Their overhead and gross are public record yes.

They're overhead is public and only because they have to since all of them use public money one way or the other, their total income is not.

The NFL also partakes in a profit sharing structure, the vast amount of an NFL team's value is in their stadium assets, the sole reason numbers eclipse a billion dollars when appraising franchise value if they were to be sold, that is not net profit for the franchise.

Tell that to the small market teams who are fighting for more revenue sharing with big market teams and THE real reason behind this labor problem.

The Cowboys took in roughly 200 million dollars in 2009, about a fifth of the league's total cum.

That's what they report. Now let's see their books and what else they're not reporting ( only to the IRS, and that's not public information ) because they don't have to.

 

[Aikbach]

Practices that if they're not kept up, would send the work force in the country to levels similar to the begining of the industrial revolution. You know, when 12 years old kids worked in factories at 10 cents a day ?

And you're wrong about tax payers not being held hostage:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/05/2001882/dolphins-seek-cross-county-tax.html#storylink=fbuser


Miami Dolphins stadium push turns to Broward tax
To refurbish its stadium, the Dolphins want hotel taxes from Miami-Dade and Broward. That will require a change in state law, and a major debate by the tourism industry and public.

That's from an poor billionaire owner that " terrible Smith " guy is using the word " war " against because he's demanding players give money back.

Quite an assertion seeming 10 percent of the country is unemployed. But I'll let you keep the platitude.

The poor negotiations of Miami and the Dolphins is a municipal ill, not a league wide problem, if franchises screw their cities that is their doing.

 

[Aikbach]

They're overhead is public and only because they have to since all of them use public money one way or the other, their total income is not.



Tell that to the small market teams who are fighting for more revenue sharing with big market teams and THE real reason behind this labor problem.



That's what they report. Now let's see their books and what else they're not reporting ( only to the IRS, and that's not public information ) because they don't have to.

It's all a conspiracy i tell ya', that's why those small market teams like say..Green Bay and Pittsburgh are suffering so!

 

[Randy White]

It's all a conspiracy i tell ya', that's why those small market teams like say..Green Bay and Pittsburgh are suffering so!

Yea, and that's why they're fighting with the likes of Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft to share more of the non-revenue sharing income..



Instead Of Player Pay Cuts, NFL Needs More Revenue Sharing

Jan. 17 2011 - Posted by Maury Brown

In the labor battle between the NFL and the the NFL Players Association, the drum that gets banged the most by the players union is, “Show us your books.” Commissioner Goodell said in a January letter to fans, “Yes, NFL players deserve to be paid well. Unfortunately, economic realities are forcing everyone to make tough choices and the NFL is no different.”

Goodell said in a Wall Street Journal interview that from 2006 to 2008—when owners decided to opt out of the deal, setting up this showdown—player costs outpaced revenue growth and owners’ cash flow declined by $200 million.

As mentioned, the NFL has basically told the NFLPA that seeking financial info to back their assertion that they are in need of “tough choices” is none of their business.

Since running Numbers Show NFL’s ‘Economic Realities’ for Lockout Unwarranted on Forbes last week, I have contacted the NFL several times to seek their side of the story. To date, they have not responded to any requests for comment. But, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t numbers out there to see whether the NFL is hurting in terms of revenues, club values, and profit. We need only look at Forbes’ franchise valuations.

Using the Forbes data from 2004 to 2009 – the last year Forbes ran their values – what gets painted is a case of haves and have-nots within the ownership ranks. And what that shows is instead of asking the players to take a pay cut, what is really needed is increased revenue-sharing.

http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2011/01/17/instead-of-player-pay-cuts-nfl-needs-more-revenue-sharing/