Deadskins

[Sonny#9]

I'm starting to get a little worried about the skins. Specifically Jason Campbell. I was hoping he'd show something....anything in these games. If he doesn't, they may turn to Todd Collins. Who by all accounts is a real NFL quarterback. The skins could be the 2nd coming of the 85 bears, but with Campbell in there, they'll never succeed. But with Collins, they can actually move the ball.

I believe the skins play pittsburgh next week. They probably won't score AGAIN. If they go into thier 3rd preseason game without so much as a field goal (which at this point is a high probability), They may decide to make Collins their starter.

I'm hoping JC works real hard in the next couple of weeks and works his way up to mediocrity, that way Collins stays on the bench.

I am still in "make or break year" on Campbell...he's still holding the ball too long and missed some scrub receiver on the sideline (Hagans I believe). Had a nice throw to Cooley for a 1st down. Hit ARE low where only ARE could catch it for a 1st down. Other completion was a check down to Betts.

Without Moss and Portis, I not overly concerned.

I pretty much agree with KINGBRICE28's assessment...O-line did not get completely manhandled. Orakpo looked good, nice debut albeit still preseason so...not getting overly excited. Or disappointed.

Tryon sucks though. He's awful.

Orakpo's gonna struggle at outside linebacker in a 4-3. Stupid Commanders.

Now there is some indepth analysis...

 

[CowboyWay]

I am still in "make or break year" on Campbell...he's still holding the ball too long and missed some scrub receiver on the sideline (Hagans I believe). Had a nice throw to Cooley for a 1st down. Hit ARE low where only ARE could catch it for a 1st down. Other completion was a check down to Betts.

Without Moss and Portis, I not overly concerned.
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Is this his 4th or 5th year in the league? And you're still giving him a "make or break" year???

C'mon dude, if JC was on any other team in the league, you would have wrote him off years ago.

Its not his physical skills. Its mental. He holds onto the ball too long because he can't make quick reads, and is unsure of himself. Combine that with a pourous offensive line, and you have all the makings of a disaster.

Remember when Bledsoe was here? Our offensive line sucked. Remember what happened when Romo went in? All of a sudden the Oline was very good. Do you think they all of a sudden got better? No. The qb, was able to get rid of the ball better, and was more mobile.

Collins makes reads much quicker than JC. Its a night and day difference. And he has a damn fine touch on the ball. I'm serious when I say I worry about the skins the same way I worry about the Giants or Gmen if Collins were the qb. But as long as JC is back there, nobody in the division will take you guys seriously to threaten for the division crown. Nobody.

 

[jimmy40]

Now there is some indepth analysis...

I've only been watching him since high school, how about you?

 

[Sonny#9]

Is this his 4th or 5th year in the league? And you're still giving him a "make or break" year???

C'mon dude, if JC was on any other team in the league, you would have wrote him off years ago.

You're probably right...but then again...if Roy Williams went to another team, you'd probably be saying how much they overpaid...Call it Fan Prerogative.

Its not his physical skills. Its mental. He holds onto the ball too long because he can't make quick reads, and is unsure of himself. Combine that with a pourous offensive line, and you have all the makings of a disaster.

I keep hoping that the mental aspect comes around for him. Sometimes it just "clicks" for players. Look at Brees. He was horrible his first three years under center...and then it just seemingly "clicked." So much so that they drafted Eli Manning and traded for Philip Rivers (sound familiar?)

Collins makes reads much quicker than JC. Its a night and day difference. And he has a damn fine touch on the ball. I'm serious when I say I worry about the skins the same way I worry about the Giants or Gmen if Collins were the qb. But as long as JC is back there, nobody in the division will take you guys seriously to threaten for the division crown. Nobody.

I don't disagree...however IF (and yes, it's a big IF at this point) Campbell can get that mental aspect...the Skins could be very dangerous.

 

[Sonny#9]

I've only been watching him since high school, how about you?

Ok then, you can probably offer some explanation behind your comment. Please, I am all ears.

 

[Rampage]

You're probably right...but then again...if Roy Williams went to another team, you'd probably be saying how much they overpaid...Call it Fan Prerogative.



I keep hoping that the mental aspect comes around for him. Sometimes it just "clicks" for players. Look at Brees. He was horrible his first three years under center...and then it just seemingly "clicked." So much so that they drafted Eli Manning and traded for Philip Rivers (sound familiar?)



I don't disagree...however IF (and yes, it's a big IF at this point) Campbell can get that mental aspect...the Skins could be very dangerous.

we did overpay for him point blank.

 

[CowboyWay]

You're probably right...but then again...if Roy Williams went to another team, you'd probably be saying how much they overpaid...Call it Fan Prerogative.
Call it blind homerism. I've always said we overpaid for RW. Check my post history. I never liked the trade, and was vocal about it. He was going to come here anyway as a FA.


I keep hoping that the mental aspect comes around for him. Sometimes it just "clicks" for players. Look at Brees. He was horrible his first three years under center...and then it just seemingly "clicked." So much so that they drafted Eli Manning and traded for Philip Rivers (sound familiar?)

Brees was the exception to the rule. I can show you 100 qbs that that never happens too. I know he's on your team, so you're always going to hope for the best, but at some point, you just have to be realistic about it. As a cowboys fan, I hope you give him another 4 year deal though.



I don't disagree...however IF (and yes, it's a big IF at this point) Campbell can get that mental aspect...the Skins could be very dangerous.

Very big if. Outside of Portis and Cooley, you have very few talented players on Offense. Oline is OLD, very small wideouts, and a qb who just doesn't have it between the ears.

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

Considering the players used to make a line, I thought the first team was passable for a 1st outing.

If the first team doesn't score by week 3 , I won't be concerned either. The fact of the matter is, this team is not going to score more than 17 per game.

I think the offense will "show up" in week two of reg season.

 

[CowboyWay]

Any of you skins fans know why Portis wasn't playing? I'm watching the replay of the Vikes and Colts on NFL network and Peterson is playing and getting his share of touches (at least on the first drive). Why not Portis? He's certainly not as valuable as Peterson. Unless they are just trying to keep some wear off his tires. He's got alot of miles on them.

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

Any of you skins fans know why Portis wasn't playing? I'm watching the replay of the Vikes and Colts on NFL network and Peterson is playing and getting his share of touches (at least on the first drive). Why not Portis? He's certainly not as valuable as Peterson. Unless they are just trying to keep some wear off his tires. He's got alot of miles on them.

After 2 season's agos issue where he played when he didn't wanna and separated his shoulder on a vicious tackle he made on an INT return I doubt he'll take more than 15 carries ALL preseason


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HERE is a summery of the 6 passes by jason campbell if anyone cares in the deadskin thread lol

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http://www.theomfield.com/2009/08/quick-review-six-campbell-pass-plays.html

A lot of people seem to think there was a football game played at M&T Bank Stadium Thursday night. I’m not one of them.

Don’t worry. I’m not going to go on about NFL teams approaching preseason games so differently, and using them for such different purposes, that projecting any regular-season meaning onto them—final score or otherwise—is a straight waste of time.

And I won’t get into how these preseason affairs are glorified scrimmages at best, and at worst, slickly packaged, almost criminally overpriced hype passed off as “games” to a football-starved public.

Not today. Today I’m going to parse the only thing I had any real interest in (Brian Orakpo and no injuries notwithstanding) ... Commanders QB Jason Campbell and the offensive line’s performance on passing plays.

There were six. Here’s how I saw them:

First Possession

1st-10, WAS 15. Ravens put four on the LOS. Commanders OL holds firm—no penetration. Campbell takes a 3-step drop, looks far right at Devin Thomas on a slant, short middle at Fred Davis, short middle left at Chris Cooley, then finally to Ladell Betts in the left flat. Four options. The OL is doing its job. Campbell might have chosen to go to Cooley at the first down marker (with a LB about a yard off left shoulder), but he chooses Betts instead, alone in the left flat with blockers. Campbell’s throw is on target as he leads Betts up field for 11 yards (-2 catch, 13 RAC).

Campbell and OL both solid.


2nd-9, WAS 27. Ravens put four on the LOS. Commanders OL holds firm—no penetration. Campbell takes a 5-step drop (play-action fake to Betts), then looks right side toward Thomas & Cooley. Thomas runs a skinny post, crossing with Cooley as he breaks toward the sideline. Campbell delivers on rhythm to Cooley for 11 (9 catch, 2 RAC).

Campbell and OL both solid.


1st-10, WAS 38. Ravens put four on the LOS. Campbell takes a 3-step drop, turns and throws immediately toward Thomas, who is 5-yards upfield on the left numbers. A LB is moving to cover Betts in the flat and crosses between Campbell and Thomas. Campbell appears to see him just as he’s releasing the ball and pulls the string a little. The ball sails high and skips off Thomas’ fingertips incomplete.

There was no apparent reason to rush throw given the protection—Campbell’s better option would have been Randle El, uncovered at the first down marker out of the left slot. Campbell dropped, turned and threw without any hesitation or seeming to find Thomas first; clearly throwing to a spot. Unless he was directed to throw that pass regardless of coverage, it’s a poor decision given the time to throw, the rushed and/or forced pass and missed opportunity for the likely first down attempt to ARE.

OL solid, Campbell questionable.


3rd-6, WAS 42. Ravens put four on the LOS. Campbell in shotgun, takes a 3-step drop. OL holds the DL, Samuels rides the RDE wide. Campbell looks right side to Cooley at first down marker, just coming out of his break. He starts to throw, then pulls it down. Cooley breaks open as Campbell steps up into pocket and looks away to the middle of the field. Ray Lewis closes, Betts lets him go, sliding in behind him into the open middle to provide an outlet. As Lewis gets to him, Campbell throws at the last instant, without stepping in (can't), going deep sideline to a wide-open Marques Hagans at the Ravens 28. Hagans leaps but the ball is inches high and off his fingertips.

Campbell may have given up on Cooley too soon. The OL provided enough time to allow him to give Cooley the extra half-second necessary to finish his break, and Cooley was open at the first down marker. If Campbell had connected with Hagans—and it was close—it would have been a good play, potentially a big one if the uncovered Hagans had been able to say in bounds.

However, by passing up the high percentage conversion play available on 3rd down, and then missing Hagans, the series is over.

OL solid; Campbell questionable.


Second Possession

1st-10, WAS 24. Ravens put four on the LOS. The OL holds—no penetration. Campbell takes a 7-step drop (play-action to Betts). He steps and throws in rhythm to his first option, Randle El, in the intermediate middle, for 14 yards (14 catch, 0 RAC). Campbell had Cooley available in the right flat at the LOS with a 5-yard cushion to run, but elected to go with the deeper option. The pass was a little low, forcing a good to-ground catch by ARE, but the ball was on time and on target, covering 23 yards without ever getting more than 3 off the ground. The man has an arm.

Campbell and OL … solid.


3rd-8, WAS 41. Ravens puts seven on the LOS. Commanders have six (OL, TE). Campbell in shotgun. Ravens bring four from the left side, drop two from the right into coverage. Betts slides left to pick up the safety blitzing off the edge. Cooley takes a bad angle on the blitzing LB, allowing immediate inside pressure on Campbell. The only visible bailout target is Randle El at the first down marker—but two Ravens are in the throwing lane. The LB hits Campbell as he throws, the ball comes out low and skips short.

The Ravens zone blitz left Dockery, Rabach and Rhinehart blocking air, while Heyer neutralized the DE. The play came down to Cooley’s whiff block on the LB, forcing Campbell to have to throw it away.

Campbell and OL acceptable. Cooley not so much.

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In their brief appearance, with zero motion, misdirection or apparent interest in going downfield to threaten the defense, the Commanders starting quarterback and offensive line were solid, if not particularly dynamic.

The offensive line did well in six pass protection opportunities, even if only facing one schemed blitz on the evening. Couldn’t have asked for more.

Jason Campbell (3-for-6, 38 yards) looked good on three, made what appeared questionable decisions on two, and appeared to throw it away smartly on the last.

Draw from that what conclusions you will, my friends. And feel free to disagree with my read on any of the plays. Personally, I found the performance mildly encouraging, and will head into next week's glorified practice session against the Pittsburgh Steelers at FedEx Field hoping to see no worse than more of the same. And maybe even a pass down the field for grins.

Preseason NFL Football. Gotta love it.

 

[Hostile]

Holy shooting pains in my eyes.

:blind:

 

[CowboyWay]

HERE is a summery of the 6 passes by jason campbell if anyone cares in the deadskin thread lol

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Isn't OM a mod over there? He gets benefits like free tickets and such? Kind of like a football groupie right? And writes a blog about the skins?

When all you're left with is a goose egg on the scoreboard, and no highlights to speak of, all you can do is "break down" the 6 pass plays to try to find something....anything....to feel positive about........things probably aren't going too well. Agree?