Deal is first step in healing rift with NFL retirees

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WASHINGTON —
Wearing his gold Hall of Fame jacket and a look of satisfaction, Herb Adderley stood side-by-side with the new head of the NFL players’ union. Their joint appearance marked a huge first step in a healing process between current players and retirees.

“I’m elated and I’m happy,” said Adderley, who turns 70 next week. “And, in fact, this is better than running a touchdown back in the Super Bowl.”

Some might beg to differ — and, by the way, Adderley did return an interception 60 yards for a touchdown for the Green Bay Packers in Super Bowl II — but this week’s $26.25 million settlement between the NFL Players Association and the retired players solves a long-simmering marketing rift that once appeared headed to the Supreme Court.

“Mr. Adderley stands here as a representative in what I hope is a new step to reaffirm that we represent the players of the National Football League — those who use to play, those who play,” NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith said at Friday’s news conference. “From this day forward, one of the things we will be working on is to remove the word ’retired’ from any group of people who play this game. We will be one team. We will have one locker room. We will speak with one voice.”

Adderley filed a lawsuit in 2007 on behalf of 2,056 retired players who contended the union failed to actively pursue marketing deals on their behalf with video games, trading cards and others sports products. A federal jury in San Francisco awarded the former players $28.1 million in November, but the NFLPA appealed and threatened to take the case to the nation’s highest court if necessary.

The union’s reversal is indicative of a new tone that has been set under Smith, who was elected in March to succeed Gene Upshaw, who died in August. Many retirees felt disenfranchised by the union when Upshaw was in charge.

“I know that we have some healing to do,” Smith said, rapping the podium for emphasis. “I know that there are some things form the past that need to be done better. From today, we will make that step. We will lead. We will move forward.”

The settlement only starts to solve the union’s disagreements with the retirees, many of whom are upset over the disability and pension benefits they receive from the NFLPA. Some voiced their frustration at a meeting last week in Las Vegas, and Smith said he is ready to tackle those issues, but he gave no timetable.

“One certainty is that everyone who plays this game today will one day be a former player,” Smith said. “If we can sit together and come together as men, as brothers, to address those issues, I think it makes it much more likely that we’ll get the answer right.”

Bob Grant, who represents a group of disgruntled retired players, was encouraged by news of the settlement, believing it has the potential open the door for improved relations with the union. Grant, who defended Smith to retired players during the meetings in Las Vegas, credited the executive director for being “a man of his word” by reaching the settlement.

Several current and former players who attend Friday’s announcement also attributed the breakthrough to Smith, who needs as much unity as possible heading into the next round of labor negotiations with the NFL.

“Sometimes you just need somebody new,” Washington Commanders receiver James Thrash said. “They have new ideas. That was the big thing with ’D’ when he came in, that was his whole approach. Everything was fresh, everything was new, and that just opened a lot of guys’ eyes.”

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I'm glad to see it, it was way overdue. Gene Upshaw was a selfish, power mad, obstinate obstructionist and I'm glad he's gone. I don't think he was a lackey for management as some say, I just think he didn't care about anything but himself and his power to run things his way regardless of what others thought. Even though he was a former player himself, he did nothing to help other former players and seemed to me to enjoy putting them down and repressing them just to demonstrate his power over them. Good riddance.
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Great news and like what I am hearing out of "D". I don't like Unions period, but if they have one, they better take care of retired too, since those old guys weren't paid enough.
 

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RCowboyFan;2800859 said:
Great news and like what I am hearing out of "D". I don't like Unions period, but if they have one, they better take care of retired too, since those old guys weren't paid enough.

Out of curiosity....I was a steelworker for 23 years, and made good money doing it, better than the workers before me who made better money than the workers before them.

Pensions (at least the ones not stolen) have gotten better over the years. Does anyone feel we should go back and raise a guy's pension from the 50s-60s to match the present day levels?
 

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jackrussell;2800880 said:
Out of curiosity....I was a steelworker for 23 years, and made good money doing it, better than the workers before me who made better money than the workers before them.

Pensions (at least the ones not stolen) have gotten better over the years. Does anyone feel we should go back and raise a guy's pension from the 50s-60s to match the present day levels?

Nope, you don't do that. I dont think the retired players contention is about Pension. Its about Medical bills. Especially considering the hazards of occupation, much more valid reason. Previous guy was being a jerk about it. Thats where the problem started.
 

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RCowboyFan;2801065 said:
Nope, you don't do that. I dont think the retired players contention is about Pension. Its about Medical bills. Especially considering the hazards of occupation, much more valid reason. Previous guy was being a jerk about it. Thats where the problem started.

From the article:
The settlement only starts to solve the union’s disagreements with the retirees, many of whom are upset over the disability and pension benefits they receive from the NFLPA. Some voiced their frustration at a meeting last week in Las Vegas, and Smith said he is ready to tackle those issues, but he gave no timetable.

Looks like both, with other obvious grievences.

Either way, while it's good to see some headway not seen before, this settlement has nothing to do with either one.
 

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jackrussell;2801167 said:
From the article:

Looks like both, with other obvious grievences.

Either way, while it's good to see some headway not seen before, this settlement has nothing to do with either one.

Yep, Pension was also issue, but from your post, it seemed like you thought they should get about same as current players. I don't believe that was ever the issue, you can go research on it, but I am pretty sure retired players were not asking for same amount as newly retired players were getting.

Now they did have issue with the pittiance they were getting, in some cases I believe barely even 1K per month? Roger mentioned or Tony Dorset or could be Mike Ditka mentioned that, i..e they couldn't live on the pension. But still the main issue was Medical bills.

And yes, this current article/settlement obviously is not about Pension or Medical bills. As article mentioned, they think it might be begining better relationship and probably better chance of getting better benifits for retired players.
 

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notherbob;2800834 said:
I'm glad to see it, it was way overdue. Gene Upshaw was a selfish, power mad, obstinate obstructionist and I'm glad he's gone. I don't think he was a lackey for management as some say, I just think he didn't care about anything but himself and his power to run things his way regardless of what others thought. Even though he was a former player himself, he did nothing to help other former players and seemed to me to enjoy putting them down and repressing them just to demonstrate his power over them. Good riddance.
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I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who is not at all sad to see that Gene Upshaw is gone. His own former Raiders teammates were upset with how he was disregarding the retired players.

His response to Joe DeLamielleure was indicative of his disdain for former players. "They aren't paying dues so screw them" was his attitude. So long as he got his that's all he cared about. Well, now he's got his and maybe the union and the players can move on.

IMO it was criminal how both the league and the union have done so little for the very players that made the NFL what it is today. Say what you will about Peyton Manning but he has earned a lot of respect from the former players for his involvement in setting up funds for their medical care.

We'll see how much of what Smith says is just paying lip-service to the retired players but so far it sounds like he has the right attitude.
 

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RCowboyFan;2801170 said:
Yep, Pension was also issue, but from your post, it seemed like you thought they should get about same as current players. I don't believe that was ever the issue, you can go research on it, but I am pretty sure retired players were not asking for same amount as newly retired players were getting.

Now they did have issue with the pittiance they were getting, in some cases I believe barely even 1K per month? Roger mentioned or Tony Dorset or could be Mike Ditka mentioned that, i..e they couldn't live on the pension. But still the main issue was Medical bills.

And yes, this current article/settlement obviously is not about Pension or Medical bills. As article mentioned, they think it might be begining better relationship and probably better chance of getting better benifits for retired players.

I read that Bob Lilly's monthly pension from the NFL is like $165.00 (that's less than $2000 per year!). Today's players spend that much to put fill up their Escalades! (Well last year maybe). I understand that he shouldn't be getting $250K per year from the union but he should be getting a heck of a lot more than that!

Unfortunately, their pensions are based on what the made when they played and not on what the NFL has available today but that's still not right IMO. My dad retired from the Retail Clerks Union 23 years ago and his pension went up a few times to account for inflation.

The bigger issue IS the medical benefits but the pension amounts are also a problem that needs to be addressed.
 

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THUMPER;2801356 said:
I read that Bob Lilly's monthly pension from the NFL is like $165.00 (that's less than $2000 per year!). Today's players spend that much to put fill up their Escalades! (Well last year maybe). I understand that he shouldn't be getting $250K per year from the union but he should be getting a heck of a lot more than that!

Unfortunately, their pensions are based on what the made when they played and not on what the NFL has available today but that's still not right IMO. My dad retired from the Retail Clerks Union 23 years ago and his pension went up a few times to account for inflation.

The bigger issue IS the medical benefits but the pension amounts are also a problem that needs to be addressed.

I think you are spot on. It might have been Bob Lilly I heard it from or read about. I just don't remember the name or who said that.
 

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notherbob;2800834 said:
I'm glad to see it, it was way overdue. Gene Upshaw was a selfish, power mad, obstinate obstructionist and I'm glad he's gone. I don't think he was a lackey for management as some say, I just think he didn't care about anything but himself and his power to run things his way regardless of what others thought. Even though he was a former player himself, he did nothing to help other former players and seemed to me to enjoy putting them down and repressing them just to demonstrate his power over them. Good riddance.
JMO

Can't argue with any of that Bob.
 
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