December of destiny?...maybe it's about the schedule...

kramskoi

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Found a curious observation from an objective observer as he tries to give reasoning to the Cowboys perceived issues in December...per Football Outsiders:



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by Key19 :: Thu, 12/10/2009 - 5:41pm

"Well, here's my best shots of reasoning:


1. Cowboys have a big offensive line that to me isn't in the best of shape. They tend to regress the longer the season goes on and they have almost no depth at O-line in case someone actually does go down. Anyone who saw Cory Procter play last December can attest to the lack of depth part.


2. Strength of schedule. Call me crazy, but I don't think most teams would have a winning record in December given their last three seasons:


2007: DET, PHI, CAR, WAS
2008: PIT, NYG, BAL, PHI
2009: NYG, SD, NO, WAS, PHI


I see two, MAYBE four games out of thirteen that you would really go into thinking "I fully expect the Cowboys to win." DET and CAR are two, and depending on your impression of Washington, maybe two more. All of the others have been absolutely brutal games. Last year, all four of those teams made the Divisional Round of the Playoffs. This year, the only team that is out of it right now is Washington. I'm not really sure why people expect that the Cowboys should just beat teams that are in the top 25% of the league.


It is going to be very tough inherently. Give them a schedule of TB, CLE, WAS, and CAR and let's see how they do. If they lose 3 of those 4, then yes, we have a legitimate problem. But there's no shame in just being a pretty good team that isn't as good as great teams.



There's a pretty strong concentration of hard games there in December. If that stretch came in September every year, everyone would say "WHY CAN'T DALLAS WIN IN SEPTEMBER OMG THEY JUST NEVER CAN START FAST" instead of "OMG THEY GET YELLOW THIGHS EVERY DECEMBER BECAUSE THEY CAN'T WIN WHEN IT COUNTS."


That's just how I feel."

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Now the only hole in his reasoning is the fact that Dallas had a few of those games seemingly won, only to fall victim to some horrendously bad play on both sides of the ball...
 

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2007: DET, PHI this should of been a win, CAR, WAS this should of been a win
2008: PITthis should of been a win, NYG, BAthis should of been a winL, PHI this should of been a win
2009: NYGthis should of been a win, SD, NO, WAS, PHI

Response in red no excuse get it done in december.
 

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kramskoi;3134404 said:
Call me crazy, but I don't think most teams would have a winning record in December given their last three seasons:


2007: DET, PHI, CAR, WAS
2008: PIT, NYG, BAL, PHI
2009: NYG, SD, NO, WAS, PHI

I see what your trying to say and you have a point, IMO, to a certain extent. I would agree that most teams would not have a winning record with a schedule like that; however, Super Bowl caliber and elite teams would. I think that is what we all want here.
 

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utrunner07;3134408 said:
I see what your trying to say and you have a point, IMO, to a certain extent. I would agree that most teams would not have a winning record with a schedule like that; however, Super Bowl caliber and elite teams would. I think that is what we all want here.


...it is'nt ME saying it...it's just a post i picked up on Football Outsiders...just kicking it down the street a little...
 

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kramskoi;3134415 said:
...it is'nt ME saying it...it's just a post i picked up on Football Outsiders...just kicking it down the street a little...

Oh yeah I see that now.
 

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you wanna talk about destiny how's this?

San Diego - longest December winning streak in NFL history

New Orlean - undefeated

Washington - scum of the earth and our most historic rival

Philly - a chance to return the favor and possibly end their season in the last game like they did to us.
 

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Originally Posted by kramskoi
Call me crazy, but I don't think most teams would have a winning record in December given their last three seasons:


2007: DET, PHI, CAR, WAS
2008: PIT, NYG, BAL, PHI
2009: NYG, SD, NO, WAS, PHI

We can't be expected to beat good teams? Then why aspire to make the playoffs? Assuming we get in and are the third seed or lower, we'd have to defeat four good to great teams at minimum to win our sixth championship. If we can't do so in December, what makes you confident that we'd magically turn it around in January?
 

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I think part of it is schedule and part of it's lack of focus.An argument could also be made about the lack of attention detail being part of the problem.

Now I don't know how you explain the December woes prior to Wade.Lack of overall talent? Coaching? Or just bad luck on our part?

Craig
 

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Rampage;3134424 said:
you wanna talk about destiny how's this?

San Diego - longest December winning streak in NFL history

New Orlean - undefeated

Washington - scum of the earth and our most historic rival

Philly - a chance to return the favor and possibly end their season in the last game like they did to us.
the opportunity is nthere to do something special...

or fall flat on our faces.

It starts Sunday.
 

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bbgun;3134432 said:
We can't be expected to beat good teams? Then why aspire to make the playoffs? Assuming we get in and are the third seed or lower, we'd have to defeat four good to great teams at minimum to win our sixth championship. If we can't do so in December, what makes you confident that we'd magically turn it around in January?
that's the latest excuse coming out of Homerville. we're a superbowl contender but it's acceptable to lose to good teams in December and January.
 

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Eventually, a team simply must beat the opponents on its schedule.

It's not as if the the opposition gets substantially easier in the playoffs.

If the Cowboys can't beat good teams in December, why would they be able to beat them in the playoffs?
 

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utrunner07;3134408 said:
I see what your trying to say and you have a point, IMO, to a certain extent. I would agree that most teams would not have a winning record with a schedule like that; however, Super Bowl caliber and elite teams would. I think that is what we all want here.

But maybe it's just not what we've got. I think the 13-3 season and having some elite players has lured us into thinking this should be an elite or Super Bowl-caliber team, but maybe our complaints are based on a false premise.

Maybe this team just isn't good enough. ... I think this stretch of games should let us know for sure.
 

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gimmesix;3134452 said:
But maybe it's just not what we've got. I think the 13-3 season and having some elite players has lured us into thinking this should be an elite or Super Bowl-caliber team, but maybe our complaints are based on a false premise.

Maybe this team just isn't good enough. ... I think this stretch of games should let us know for sure.

Ah, yes. The harsh reality of it. Perhaps the problem resides with neither Philips nor Garrett. Perhaps our organization is simply incapable building a playoff-caliber team.

The thought has certainly crossed my mind.
 

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utrunner07;3134408 said:
I see what your trying to say and you have a point, IMO, to a certain extent. I would agree that most teams would not have a winning record with a schedule like that; however, Super Bowl caliber and elite teams would. I think that is what we all want here.

Perfectly said. If you have Super Bowl aspirations you win the majority no matter who is in front of you.
 

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Well my thing is what does it matter. Guess what sort of teams you have to play when you get in the playoffs? Yeah, good ones.

If you're a playoff/superbowl caliber team then you pick up the wins. You're not gonna win them all, but you sure as hell try to finish strong.

A lot of it also is the manner of the loses. A lot of those tough december games we lost wasn't because we came in and got simply out played, we went into those games and in often case had the upper hand either on the scoreboard or talent and still bombed.
 

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I've always thought the schedule was a huge factor. I'll credit percyhoward for opening my eyes on that one.

A big part of it is getting a favorable schedule, because in the end nobody looks back and cares who you beat, they only care that you won. Put the Bucs and Chiefs and Raiders at the end of the year, and of course we'd have a better chance at finishing strong.

Of course we might then be 6-6 or 7-5 right now. In the end you have to win enough games to make the playoffs no matter when you get them.
 

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ScipioCowboy;3134455 said:
Ah, yes. The harsh reality of it. Perhaps the problem resides with neither Philips nor Garrett. Perhaps our organization is simply incapable building a playoff-caliber team.

The thought has certainly crossed my mind.

I don't think it means we're incapable of building a playoff-caliber team, just that we might be overvaluing some of the talent we've got.

That's not hard to do when you're winning, but there comes a point where you have to realize that some of the problems might go beyond coaching.
 
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