Defense 1st half plays

[TheDude]

As promised.



I am grounded form the computer today and half to take wife to a Botanical garden today - so I may need to streamline this in the future Gonna try to make the best of it and maybe it will "payoff"


Quickly (and pithy with some hyperbole)

1. The secondary looks to be the strength of the team - let that marinate. Dont have the all 22 so maybe this is harsh, but the way Tannehill missed Wallace by lofting it high and long toward the middle of the field and the fact that WIlcox wasnt close to making a play is troubling. Scandrick is playing well, but the new rules are gonna make CBs even less relevnt. Carr was ok in the first game back, but too much cushion. Patmon had a career game. One thing about him is he has real football speed and isnt scared. That is the biggest problem throughout the secondary. Dixon did prove his coverage skills were lacking..still holding out hope.
2. DL is just so blah. Minter got abused as a 1, pushed back, Hayden the same, Mincey maybe had 1-2 pressures if you count the Miami LT Cory Proctor imitation. Mincey got juked by the Tannehill Read option to open the game bringing back horrid RG3 memories. Selvie looked like the only solid pro. I will say Coleman shows a lot of potential. He did get some pressures and is quick, but he gets pushed around on the run
3. The LBs are a trainwreck. I am not a fan of all this switching around. I would imagine its hard to grow into a Kiffen marinelli system when one day you are playing the MLB where you are a and the next WLB. It smells of desperation, but maybe these are desperate times.
4. Tackling is atrocious, head down, shoulder blocks. Drives me crazy

 

[TheDude]

my god sorry for horrid grammar and misspellings - trying to rush, but I have (not half) no idea how I channelled @GimmeTheBall! in that opening sentence

 

[Bungarian]

I stopped reading after the crazy grammar. Drunk?

 

[TheDude]

I stopped reading after the crazy grammar. Drunk?

eyes on the screen, fingers on the keyboard - attention on listening for the wife coming around the corner or up through the floor while ensuring I can toggle to my Bloomberg work screen in time. Its tense times at the McLovin residence

 

[lockster]

As promised.



I am grounded form the computer today and half to take wife to a Botanical garden today - so I may need to streamline this in the future Gonna try to make the best of it and maybe it will "payoff"


Quickly (and pithy with some hyperbole)

1. The secondary looks to be the strength of the team - let that marinate. Dont have the all 22 so maybe this is harsh, but the way Tannehill missed Wallace by lofting it high and long toward the middle of the field and the fact that WIlcox wasnt close to making a play is troubling. Scandrick is playing well, but the new rules are gonna make CBs even less relevnt. Carr was ok in the first game back, but too much cushion. Patmon had a career game. One thing about him is he has real football speed and isnt scared. That is the biggest problem throughout the secondary. Dixon did prove his coverage skills were lacking..still holding out hope.
2. DL is just so blah. Minter got abused as a 1, pushed back, Hayden the same, Mincey maybe had 1-2 pressures if you count the Miami LT Cory Proctor imitation. Mincey got juked by the Tannehill Read option to open the game bringing back horrid RG3 memories. Selvie looked like the only solid pro. I will say Coleman shows a lot of potential. He did get some pressures and is quick, but he gets pushed around on the run
3. The LBs are a trainwreck. I am not a fan of all this switching around. I would imagine its hard to grow into a Kiffen marinelli system when one day you are playing the MLB where you are a and the next WLB. It smells of desperation, but maybe these are desperate times.
4. Tackling is atrocious, head down, shoulder blocks. Drives me crazy

why can't I download this vid off of youtube ? i'm using livid download manager and it won't allow me to download for some odd reason

 

[JoeyBoy718]

So Marinelli's specialty is the front 7, particularly the D-line. And the clear strength of the defense is the secondary, to no credit of Marinelli. Also, he had two offseasons now to address the D-line and front 7, and this is what we're stuck with. Yet, Marinelli is supposedly a miracle worker. Go figure.

 

[5Stars]

So Marinelli's specialty is the front 7, particularly the D-line. And the clear strength of the defense is the secondary, to no credit of Marinelli. Also, he had two offseasons now to address the D-line and front 7, and this is what we're stuck with. Yet, Marinelli is supposedly a miracle worker. Go figure.

Yeah, it's all doom and gloom and drama, huh?

 

[Sportsbabe]

I think the LB manipulation is experimentation. Backup plan in case of injury. I think they are gun shy from the previous years of injury decimation. Just seeing what they can handle for a backup Plan. I hope to God they know who's playing where by now.

 

[5Stars]

I think the LB manipulation is experimentation. Backup plan in case of injury. I think they are gun shy from the previous years of injury decimation. Just seeing what they can handle for a backup Plan. I hope to God they know who's playing where by now.

The thing is, none of us fans (well except the realists) know who will actually be the starters once the Cowboys face the 49'ers. I also think that the team is holding back all little nicks and scratches so that when the starters actually play the first game, it just might surprise us all!

 

[Sportsbabe]

The thing is, none of us fans (well except the realists) know who will actually be the starters once the Cowboys face the 49'ers. I also think that the team is holding back all little nicks and scratches so that when the starters actually play the first game, it just might surprise us all!

I hope you're right.

 

[5Stars]

I hope you're right.

You may be right,

I may be crazy! Oh...

But, it just might be a lunatic you're looking for.

 

[Idgit]

So Marinelli's specialty is the front 7, particularly the D-line. And the clear strength of the defense is the secondary, to no credit of Marinelli. Also, he had two offseasons now to address the D-line and front 7, and this is what we're stuck with. Yet, Marinelli is supposedly a miracle worker. Go figure.

Most of the people implying he's considered a miracle worker are ones trying to make the point he's not.

Without exception, coaches need good players to work miracles.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Most of the people implying he's considered a miracle worker are ones trying to make the point he's not.

Without exception, coaches need good players to work miracles.

I agree, but he hasn't done a good job acquiring anybody. In two years, all he really has to show for himself is George Selvie, which I think was more of luck than anything. Last year, he claimed he didn't need any help and that the D-line meeting rooms were "full." I could see why he thought he'd have a good D-line (with a project starting line of Ware-Ratliff-Hatcher-Spencer) but anyone with any sense could have told you the D-line still needed a lot of insurance. This year, he traded up for Lawrence and basically went dumpster diving again. Not to mention, going into desperation mode for guys like Spencer and Okoye.

All in all, in two whole years, the only really positives I could give him are:

1) Drafting Demarcus Lawrence
2) Finding a gem in George Selvie
3) Getting a good deal on Henry Melton

You have to do a lot more than that to turn around a defense. Unless he's on a 10-year plan.

 

[reddyuta]

The head down tackling method drives me nuts,who taught our DBs to tackle like that? that is a good way to end your career on one freaky play(our safeties are especially big culprits of this).

 

[Idgit]

I agree, but he hasn't done a good job acquiring anybody. In two years, all he really has to show for himself is George Selvie, which I think was more of luck than anything. Last year, he claimed he didn't need any help and that the D-line meeting rooms were "full." I could see why he thought he'd have a good D-line (with a project starting line of Ware-Ratliff-Hatcher-Spencer) but anyone with any sense could have told you the D-line still needed a lot of insurance. This year, he traded up for Lawrence and basically went dumpster diving again. Not to mention, going into desperation mode for guys like Spencer and Okoye.

All in all, in two whole years, the only really positives I could give him are:

1) Drafting Demarcus Lawrence
2) Finding a gem in George Selvie
3) Getting a good deal on Henry Melton

You have to do a lot more than that to turn around a defense. Unless he's on a 10-year plan.

I'd give him credit for more than that. Hayden, for example, is a whipping boy here, but he picked him off the scrap heap and got him in position to lead the DL in snaps. That speaks to both his ability, and what he's ended up working with.

He's found role players for us, but Hatcher also had a career year under him. We've gotten bad breaks each of the last two seasons in the DLs available in the first rounds of the draft. We've also had unusual injuries to young players like Crawford and Lawrence that have affected the quality of the players we can field. His hand-picked VFAs in Melton and McClain have been hobbled in camp, too.

For my part, I don't think there's any doubt he's a very good position coach. My concerns for him are at DC, where we're counting heavily on his recent experience with the Bears. Still, though, if you go back and look at that 2012 Bears defensive team, they did a good job without a ton of marquee players. Something to hope for, at least.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I'd give him credit for more than that. Hayden, for example, is a whipping boy here, but he picked him off the scrap heap and got him in position to lead the DL in snaps. That speaks to both his ability, and what he's ended up working with.

He's found role players for us, but Hatcher also had a career year under him. We've gotten bad breaks each of the last two seasons in the DLs available in the first rounds of the draft. We've also had unusual injuries to young players like Crawford and Lawrence that have affected the quality of the players we can field. His hand-picked VFAs in Melton and McClain have been hobbled in camp, too.

For my part, I don't think there's any doubt he's a very good position coach. My concerns for him are at DC, where we're counting heavily on his recent experience with the Bears. Still, though, if you go back and look at that 2012 Bears defensive team, they did a good job without a ton of marquee players. Something to hope for, at least.

I agree he took guys out of nowhere (like Hayden) and got them ready to play a lot of NFL snaps, but to be honest, Hayden wasn't very good so I don't know if that really shows how great Marinelli is. I'm not saying another coach could come in and make Hayden look like Wilfork, but he just didn't look good and still doesn't. I liked that he kept churning the roster and wouldn't settle on guys, but he didn't find any guys. Not one. (Well, he found Selvie but that was before the season started.) Once again, I'm not saying another guy could have come in and found guys off the street in mid season. But we did finish with the worst defense in our history so it's hard to really see any positives. I guess you could say Hatcher, but Hatcher was always underrated, and he was the only legitimate pass rush we had after all the injuries, and the 4-3 seemed to have worked in his favor. I've watched Hatcher improve years, so I can't give Marinelli the majority of credit for his career year. It was bound to happen eventually (see Anthony Spencer 2012).

 

[Dwight]

So Marinelli's specialty is the front 7, particularly the D-line. And the clear strength of the defense is the secondary, to no credit of Marinelli. Also, he had two offseasons now to address the D-line and front 7, and this is what we're stuck with. Yet, Marinelli is supposedly a miracle worker. Go figure.

I blame the GM more than Marinelli. The GM didn't provide Marinelli with the proper resources of talent.

 

[Sportsbabe]

The world as we know it has come to an end. NFL. Network just gave our D props from the Mia game.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

my god sorry for horrid grammar and misspellings - trying to rush, but I have (not half) no idea how I channelled @GimmeTheBall! in that opening sentence

For a one-name Irish R&B guy you are very cheeky today. I liked you better when your first name was Mohammad, instead of McLovin.

 

[TheDude]

For a one-name Irish R&B guy you are very cheeky today. I liked you better when your first name was Mohammad, instead of McLovin.

little do you know - one-name Irish R&B singers are all cheeky by nature....one of the few musical stylistic prerequisites