Defense 3rd down Woes!!

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The defense still hasn't learned how to get off the field on 3rd down.

I am not impressed with this defense. I just haven't seen much improvement from last seasons.

The Browns will hang 35 points easily. I just hope our offense score 36.
 

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sportsman;2206848 said:
The defense still hasn't learned how to get off the field on 3rd down.

I am not impressed with this defense. I just haven't seen much improvement from last seasons.

The Browns will hang 35 points easily. I just hope our offense score 36.
Woe is us.....
 

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I swear im starting to think its this scheme more than the players..

We have alot of Man 2 man guys in the secondary and yet we play zone which is most of their weaknesses.
 

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Looks like I'm not the only one who's frustrated with our 3rd down defense tonight.....hmmmmm.
 

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Real1st;2206879 said:
I swear im starting to think its this scheme more than the players..

We have alot of Man 2 man guys in the secondary and yet we play zone which is most of their weaknesses.
Don't you think they might want to work on zone in the preseason so that they can improve?
 

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speedkilz88;2207292 said:
Don't you think they might want to work on zone in the preseason so that they can improve?

True but man maybe im just expecting this defense to be dominating.

They have the talent to be special
 

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sportsman;2206848 said:
The defense still hasn't learned how to get off the field on 3rd down.

I am not impressed with this defense. I just haven't seen much improvement from last seasons.

The Browns will hang 35 points easily. I just hope our offense score 36.

Oh, sweet Jay-sus...

For the record, the Boys have allowed 16 of 41 3rd down conversions thus far this preseason... that's 39.0 per cent... the same as last year, and that ranked them middle of the pack (tied for 14th) in that stat...

That ain't great, but it ain't NEARLY as bad as you're making it sound...
 

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silverbear;2207922 said:
Oh, sweet Jay-sus...

For the record, the Boys have allowed 16 of 41 3rd down conversions thus far this preseason... that's 39.0 per cent... the same as last year, and that ranked them middle of the pack (tied for 14th) in that stat...

That ain't great, but it ain't NEARLY as bad as you're making it sound...

Yea but how much talent is on that side of the ball?

I think being average is a total letdown and they aren't meeting the expectations.
 

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sportsman;2206848 said:
The defense still hasn't learned how to get off the field on 3rd down.

I am not impressed with this defense. I just haven't seen much improvement from last seasons.

The Browns will hang 35 points easily. I just hope our offense score 36.

since when did this board become a freakin bee itch infested place? I dont know if its the band waggoners or what but jesus i dont even remember this much bickering when we lost our first two pre season games
 

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the kid 05;2207925 said:
since when did this board become a freakin bee itch infested place? I dont know if its the band waggoners or what but jesus i dont even remember this much bickering when we lost our first two pre season games

I think people are concerned with seeing the last year defensive problems.

This team is not invincible.
 

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Real1st;2207924 said:
Yea but how much talent is on that side of the ball?

I think being average is a total letdown and they aren't meeting the expectations.

And I think you don't understand that the NFL is an offensive league...
 

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I don't like to resort to name calling but you people are idiots. And i hate you all. Seriously. Let me think, Hamlin had a easy pick he dropped, our first team got good pressure on him. Roy was explosive to the ball in run situations, and Tank seemed to be all ways playing on the Texans side of the line of scrimmage. Are 1st team D played good while they were out there. They only gave up 10 points for god sake. And they played without a pro bowler and a 1st round pick, which happens to be a top Corner in the league and one of the teams best pass rushers. So all the winning about Brian Stewart and Wade Phillips and how the team had no intensity and all the other crap needs to stop. They gave up 10 points in the first half, thats it and it probably would have been less if Romo didn't get picked off in the end zone. Who cares if the second team gave up points. Who cares if some of them dudes suck. If there is ever a time when all of them are on the field together then we would be winning in the super bowl by 40 point with two minutes left in the 4th quarter.
 

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silverbear;2207946 said:
And I think you don't understand that the NFL is an offensive league...

Yea thats an excuse to how the defense isn't playing up to their potential...:rolleyes:

But the giants great offense won them a super bowl.. Give me a break.
 

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the kid 05;2207925 said:
since when did this board become a freakin bee itch infested place? I dont know if its the band waggoners or what but jesus i dont even remember this much bickering when we lost our first two pre season games


Well, I've only been here 5 years, and it was like this when I got here... I suspect all football boards have that element on them...
 

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maybe its just me, but I didn't see a lot of blitz packages...

I'm sure that'll help things out
 

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sportsman;2206848 said:
The defense still hasn't learned how to get off the field on 3rd down.

I am not impressed with this defense. I just haven't seen much improvement from last seasons.

The Browns will hang 35 points easily. I just hope our offense score 36.

Beware of the troll who still does not understand Pre-Season football.:cool:
 

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the kid 05;2207925 said:
since when did this board become a freakin bee itch infested place? I dont know if its the band waggoners or what but jesus i dont even remember this much bickering when we lost our first two pre season games

silverbear;2207949 said:
Well, I've only been here 5 years, and it was like this when I got here... I suspect all football boards have that element on them...

I've been here 4, and I believe it's worse now than it's ever been. It's because we're a good team finally and a lot of message board posters don't do a good job of moderating their expectations.
 

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Real1st;2207948 said:
Yea thats an excuse to how the defense isn't playing up to their potential.

Hey, I've heard that if you go look up "clueless" in the dictionary, your picture is there, grinning at us...

Is that true??

Let's start with the fact that this is PRESEASON, which is all about EXPERIMENTING with different personnel combinations... thus, at this point we don't really know who will even be on the field in particular situations...

Then, let's consider that guys are being given a chance to show what they have, guys who won't even be on the team come opening day... thus, at this point we can't really formulate any opinions about how good this defense will be...

Next, let's consider that the coaches are deliberately keeping some packages under wraps, so that opponents can't get a book on them before the games start to count... thus, we haven't seen the full range of options for this defense...

Then, let's factor in that two of our best defensive players aren't playing right now, including our best cover corner... thus, anybody who forms an opinion about how good that defense will be is pretty much a fool...

And even with all that, the Boys held the Chargers to 213 yards of total offense, 3.9 yards per play... and in the first half of the game last night, starters on starters, the Toxins racked up all of 129 yards of total offense, on 31 plays (4.2 yards per play)... that's two examples of some pretty dominant defense, actually...

And of course, teams with potent offenses like the Boys have score quickly, which puts the opponents' offense back on the field... this puts even more pressure on a defense... look at the Cowboys' time of possession last year, they ranked 24th in the league... viewed through that prism, their defensive numbers look even better...

If you knew ANYTHING about the game of football, I wouldn't have to explain all of this to you... I repeat, anybody who reaches any conclusions about how good (or bad) this defense will be based on what they've seen so far is a fool, because they haven't really seen much of the defense they'll see once the games start to count...

You seem to think that a "good" defense is supposed to hold opponents to under 250 yards a game, game after game after game... that's beyond ridiculous, with the rules of the game set up the way they are... in this league, allowing your opponents to average 325 yards a game makes you an AVERAGE defense, and if you hold your opponents to at or just under 300 yards a game, you're a top 10 defense... similarly, if you're allowing opponents to average 21 points per game, you're an AVERAGE defense, and if you're allowing them to average 19 a game, you're a top 10 defense... and if you hold your opponents to an average of 18 a game or less, you're a top FIVE defense... only three defenses last year gave up under 17 points per game...

Moral to this story-- the NFL is intended to be an offensive league, because fans like to see points put up on the board... if you really knew anything at all about the game, you'd understand that, but you clearly don't...
 
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