Defense played poorly?

Bizwah

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I just rewatched the first half. And really, I wasn't too disappointed in our defense.

I thought they played pretty well considering the circumstances. I was disappointed in our lack of a pass rush, but there were several times where we rushed Warner into poor throws.

Keep in mind that Warner was 6 of 8 for 35 yards after the first quarter. That's when most of our first-stringers were playing. Four yards an attempt is not that good.

Now, he did get hot on the TD drive, but think about the plays that were made. First, 20 yard pass to LF on Newman. This was the best pass play of the night for Warner. Newman was beat and LF ran a good route. Then, a long pass to the TE that Roy clobbered. On this play, the TE made a great catch, 9 times out of 10, the TE is separated from the ball. Lastly, the TD. On this play, we pressured Warner into a very poor throw. Davis and our other defenders were in position to stop the pass had it been good. But the poor throw gave only LF a chance, and boy did he take it. Fluke play....just like the "immaculate reception".

Now, these aren't excuses. But those throws totalled around 70 yards. On the surface it appears that Warner was "lighting us up", but in reality, he completed a ton of short dump offs, and was very fortunate on two of the longer ones. In other words, the likelyhood that he would've duplicated his numbers in the second half against our first-stringers is minimal.

We stuffed the run (my biggest concern), and played decently against the pass.

I think once BP loosens the reins on the youngin's, then I think we'll see a more agressive d.

We played a pretty basic defense last night......
 

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I would be kinda dissapointed if we were in midseason form for our first pre-season outing. Is it me, or don't you want to start hitting your stride towards the third pre-season game? I agree, the defense played pretty well. I would like for someone to find San Diego's first pre-season game result from last year.
 

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We gave up 13 points. All teams play Vanilla this early in season. Ferguson and Spears out - I'd like to see more pressure in the season. Burnett, Ware will be unleashed then.....
 

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run defense was very solid, especially considering we were missing Ferguson and Spears up front

pass coverage from starters was good

pass rush was non existant, which is the big concern I have...hardly saw an Arizona QB knocked down the whole game, pretty much the same junk we've seen from Zimmer for years

David
 

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Defense played poorly?


Against the pass, yes they played poorly. And don't give me the "they played a soft zone" BS. If they were playing a soft zone then they sucked at it cuz they allowed Warner to complete 3 passes of 20+ yards.
 

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On the play they scored the touchdown, it was Ware who put the pressure on and came within inches of destroying Kurt Warner. That's why the ball was thrown behind him in which the Receiver made an outstanding catch.
I decided to count the seconds the Cardinals had to throw the ball. Warner was getting rid of the ball in under 3 seconds.

Also, they did not jam the receivers on the plays where he got big yards, more specifically the pass to Fitzgerald from Warner over Newman on a cross the field route.

I think in the future if we jam those receivers with a little help deep, we can buy an extra second to get to the QB.
 

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What soem people dont realize is that we had our NT in Fergy gone, a DE in spers gone, and we werent even blitzing as much as we problay would, our D did real good to me giving up what only 7 points (first stringers) and overall only 13. our D cant have played that badly given the fact the CArdinals started past there 20 almost on every signle drive.
 

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our D did real good to me giving up what only 7 points (first stringers)


That averages out to 21 to 28 points for the game. They "only" gave up 7 points? They barely played a Quarter! And they actually gave up 10 points, not 7.
 

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Rack said:
That averages out to 21 to 28 points for the game. They "only" gave up 7 points? They barely played a Quarter! And they actually gave up 10 points, not 7.

wow freak play that should have been a TD, and then we were lacking two starters on the DL, so like i siad only 7-10 points (and really at this point you dont know who is starting but the first team was out there for a good time..at least from what i hear on the radio i constaly heard first team D untll midway through second quarter)
 

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Rack said:
The Cards were lacking two starters on their OL. Next excuse?


whoever said i was givng excuses, our d didnt play poorly, say what you want at the end it was 13 points given up. that better than the what 20+ points a game last year.
 

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The D did play poorly. Period. They gave up 151 yards passing to Kurt Warner in less then a half and gave up 10 points. That is NOT good defensive play. Spin it how you want, but I know what I saw. I'm not saying that's how it's gonna be during the season, or even in the next preseason game, but that sure as hell wasn't good defensive play last night.
 

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Rack said:
The D did play poorly. Period. They gave up 151 yards passing to Kurt Warner in less then a half and gave up 10 points. That is NOT good defensive play. Spin it how you want, but I know what I saw. I'm not saying that's how it's gonna be during the season, or even in the next preseason game, but that sure as hell wasn't good defensive play last night.


i think 70 of those yards came on a drive that was basically all fluke, so dont give me stats you have your opino i have mine, we didnt play good, but we didnt play poorly
 

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There was next to no pressure on the Cardinals QBs and no turnovers. To me, given that as a barometer for the last 4 or 5 years, yes, I'd say they played badly.

I'll take the 13 points allowed any time, but until we can pressure the QB or take the ball away, I won't call it good.
 

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Ware and Burnett played a total of what, 15-20 plays? Ware almost had a sack on two different occasions where he just blew by the DE and in the fourth he got a hand on the QB before he was pushed in the back. Forgive me for not panicing :rolleyes:
 

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dbair1967 said:
pass rush was non existant, which is the big concern I have...hardly saw an Arizona QB knocked down the whole game, pretty much the same junk we've seen from Zimmer for years

David

Agree. I also was concerned about our intensity. It appeared that AZ was playing at Level 10 (opening day level) and we were playing at 3 (out of the playoffs and don't want to get injured level). The offensive line was horrible (in my opinion). Every snap was a jail break. :(
 

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Larry Fitzgerald had 5 receptions for 85 yds and 1 TD in a quater and a half.

On that pace he would have had 10 receptions and over 160 yds recieving. And that's without Anquan Boldin on the other side. I can't see how you can't be concerned about that.

Not to mention that people keep mentioning that the defense was vanilla. But how vanilla was the Cardinals offense?
 
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