Defensive Coordinator?

[dreghorn2]

Interesting take Don, i'll have to think about that.

One would assume that a Garrett transition would be smoother than someone new, but maybe not.

If Garrett is the guy than i'm all in until he proves otherwise. Not my choice but i'll support him and hope he becomes the next Landry.

Opinions are like you know what, but its my personal one that Tony Romo would be a better QB with a different coordinator. I feel that Tony bails out Garretts offense time after time.

I worry that we are wasting Romos best years by not providing him with the elite of offensive tutors.

Much the same way that Hostile believes Phillips to be a good coach but just not the best for Dallas, i believe the same about Garrett.

 

[Galian Beast]

There are several coaches who call the offense, Wade calls defense it is no more of a distraction for him as it would be for anyone.

He isnt just calling plays, he is the head coach AND defensive coordinator... the weekly game planning on defense... thats him.

And clearly there has been little oversight on offense, until jerry came in and said run the ball, then he said use felix jones...

 

[Don Corleone]

Interesting take Don, i'll have to think about that.

One would assume that a Garrett transition would be smoother than someone new, but maybe not.

If Garrett is the guy than i'm all in until he proves otherwise. Not my choice but i'll support him and hope he becomes the next Landry.

Opinions are like you know what, but its my personal one that Tony Romo would be a better QB with a different coordinator. I feel that Tony bails out Garretts offense time after time.

I worry that we are wasting Romos best years by not providing him with the elite of offensive tutors.

Much the same way that Hostile believes Phillips to be a good coach but just not the best for Dallas, i believe the same about Garrett.

The issue isn't so much offense, but rather the defense. Garrett can fill the HC role, and the offense would stay intact.

Wade Phillips has too much pride to take a demotion to defensive coordinator and hang around for another head coach. Yet, a lot of people assume that he would take this on. Unbelievable.

If I were in Phillips' shoes, and were approached about such a proposition, I would promptly flip the bird at JJ and head out of Dallas.

 

[Doomsday101]

He isnt just calling plays, he is the head coach AND defensive coordinator... the weekly game planning on defense... thats him.

And clearly there has been little oversight on offense, until jerry came in and said run the ball, then he said use felix jones...

Many of the HC in the league may have an OC or DC in name only but run that side of the ball. Holmgren is very involved with the offense as is Shannahan and Gruden when they were coaching. Jerry said what Wade has been saying before Jerry made the comments which was he wanted to see more running and getting Felix more involved but Felix was also dealing with injury. Much of what Jerry has to say comes from meeting with the coaching staff

 

[Hypnotoad]

i'd absolutely LOVE to keep Wade as DC and hire a new HC.. unfortunately that would never happen

I think Wade could easily find a job with another team.

 

[dreghorn2]

Yes i agree, no way Wade stays if he isn't HC. That will never happen.. well never say never, but its extremely unlikely.

I still like Keith Butler from the Steelers but now we are getting way ahead of ourselves.

 

[dreghorn2]

By the way thats Butler at DC not head coach.

 

[CF74]

Why?

Lets say we do replace him, the odds that a new guy dramatically improves our overall numbers are very slim. We already rank at or near the top of the league in most offensive statistics.

If Garrett is doing as horrible a job as some of you believe, whats that say for the offensive coordinators of the other 25-28 teams or so that rank below us?

Because those stats are padded against scrubs. Get us a W against the tougher opponents consistently and then talk to us about numbers. This offense always sputters under Garrett at the most inopportune times because he lives and dies by the big play...

When it comes to the topic of Jason Garrett, it serves you no purpose at all to even make an effort to make sense.

You did, but it will not make one iota of difference. The experts know better.

Give us a solid reason why he's so good and please don't use the boring stat padding explanation (#1 Scoring Offense.) Show us some examples where he made in game adjustments to help us get the W against solid opponents...

 

[dadymat]

..Give us a solid reason why he's so good and please don't use the boring stat padding explanation (#1 Scoring Offense.) Show us some examples where he made in game adjustments to help us get the W against solid opponents...

Garrett supporters have points, yards and wins for their proof...its funny how you want to excuse the undisputed facts that is the solid reasons ....bottom line is his offense puts up yards and points....i

108 points in the first half of this years games.....

147 points in second............(sounds like half time adjustments to me)


its easy to sit there and see a RB get stuffed or a WR drop a pass, or a ball get intercepted and say it was a bad call.........if not for penalties, fumbles, drops, missed blocking assignments, and ints you would have an entirely different perception of Garrett......

 

[CF74]

Garrett supporters have points, yards and wins for their proof...its funny how you want to excuse the undisputed facts that is the solid reasons ....bottom line is his offense puts up yards and points....i

108 points in the first half of this years games.....

147 points in second............(sounds like half time adjustments to me)


its easy to sit there and see a RB get stuffed or a WR drop a pass, or a ball get intercepted and say it was a bad call.........if not for penalties, fumbles, drops, missed blocking assignments, and ints you would have an entirely different perception of Garrett......

Like I said, padding stats against scrubs. And all those inadequacies you just listed points back to poor coaching...

 

[dadymat]

Like I said, padding stats against scrubs. And all those inadequacies you just listed points back to poor coaching...

thats not on garrett.....

so, back to Garrett ....you want us to prove that garrett is good without using evidence.....how convenient for you....all without giving any proof that he is bad...why dont you name some situations where if Garretts call was executed to perfection that it wouldnt have worked......

you are just too stubborn to except the facts.............you say you want proof but then you set up ridiculous boundaries as to what we can use to prove our points......which by the way are indisputable facts

 

[AbeBeta]

Jerry loves Garrett. Folks need to get that through their heads. Before BP left, Jerry had alread hatched the idea of bringing JG in to work under him.

Whether or not Garrett has been great is irrelevant to this discussion. He came in inexperienced and Jerry knows that -- he sees JG as the guy who can be a stong HC for a long time and is willing to accept the growing pains.

Bringing us to the DC, when JG takes over we likely go hard after a 3-4 guy - my money continues to be on someone like Greg Manusky who worked under Wade. Capers is a guy who JG likes as well. Oh yeah, we also have two former DCs on our staff who, judging from their sideline antics against the Skins, clearly want Jerry to remember they are still here.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Jerry loves Garrett. Folks need to get that through their heads. Before BP left, Jerry had alread hatched the idea of bringing JG in to work under him.

Mind you that Jerry Jones also traded for Galloway and Roy Williams. Just because Jerry loves him does not mean that he will bring success to the Boys.

Keep in mind also Romo was a very productive QB once he stepped in for Bledsoe. That had nothing to do with Garrett.

In my opinion, Garrett is getting a lot of credit for all the things Romo has done. Yet we tend to blame Romo for all the things that has gone wrong with the team.

I personally think Garrett is overrated. He clearly focuses more on schemes and exotic formations rather than being able to use the talent thats given to him. Thats why I think Witten's numbers are down from previous years. Thats why I think he doesn't know what to do about Felix Jones. And thats why I also believe Roy Williams is having trouble here in Dallas.

I don't care if Jones loves Garrett. But I honestly don't think he is the long term solution to Dallas. I would rather have Wade as head coach and him calling the defense. At least that has been paying off for us.

 

[dadymat]

Mind you that Jerry Jones also traded for Galloway and Roy Williams. Just because Jerry loves him does not mean that he will bring success to the Boys.

Keep in mind also Romo was a very productive QB once he stepped in for Bledsoe. That had nothing to do with Garrett.

In my opinion, Garrett is getting a lot of credit for all the things Romo has done. Yet we tend to blame Romo for all the things that has gone wrong with the team.

I personally think Garrett is overrated. He clearly focuses more on schemes and exotic formations rather than being able to use the talent thats given to him. Thats why I think Witten's numbers are down from previous years. Thats why I think he doesn't know what to do about Felix Jones. And thats why I also believe Roy Williams is having trouble here in Dallas.

I don't care if Jones loves Garrett. But I honestly don't think he is the long term solution to Dallas. I would rather have Wade as head coach and him calling the defense. At least that has been paying off for us.

over the 2 1/2 seasons of the Wade/Garrett regime the O has carried the D WAY more often than the D has carried the offense.....

 

[Beast_from_East]

Do we get a defensive coordinator at the end of the year, or does wade keep doing those duties?

As great as our defense has been, I'm not sure I like the head coach so distracted. I think it affects our team.

Wade is here to run the defense, nothing more. So if Wade is not going to run the defense, why would we still need him here???

Exactly what duties is he being distracted from by running the defense??? As long as Garrett is here, Wade will have jack to do with that side of the ball. Our Special Teams coach handles all the kicking and coverage units, so I ask again.........what duties is Wade being distracted from by running the defense???

 

[Beast_from_East]

We'll likely be getting a new DC at the end of the year because we'll be, most likely (Again unless we make at least the NFC Championship game and I still believe it will take a Superbowl win to save his job), be replacing our HC.

I have to disagree with you my friend.

If we finish 3-2, then in 3 seasons in Dallas Wade's record is as follows...

33-15 (almost 70%)

2 division titles in 3 seasons.

Lead the NFL in sacks over these 3 seasons


That is pretty dam good stats for a HC in the NFL. Who exactly are we going to hire as HC that can come in here win at least 70% of his games, bring home a division title almost every year, and coach the defense to lead the league in sacks during his tenure???

And think about this as well.......who is going to run the defense when Wade gets fired??? We are talking about replacing the HC and the DC if we make a move with Wade. Not alot of guys that run the 34, at least not very well.

And think about this also........Who we going to hire as HC that is going to come in here and accept Garrett running the entire show on offense??? Because from where I am sitting, we are going to end the year in the top 10 in almost every offensive category. This means Garrett is untouchable to the new coach and whoever that guy is will have to accept that Garrett runs the offense with complete authority, no questions asked.

So who exactly are we going to hire that can match Wade's stats, run a 34 defense, and be wiling to let Garrett run the offense and basically be "co HC"???

 

[Beast_from_East]

All it takes is a marginal record in December, and 1 playoff victory, and you can bet that Wade Phillips will have a new contract as head coach.

It makes no ****ing sense to blow up a winning team. A new head coach, even Garrett, sets this team back 2 years.

The only team I can think of that fired their HC after winning a division title is the San Diego Chargers. Other than that one time, I cannot remember any other team firing their HC after winning a division title that same year.

Face it guys, barring a complete collaspe here in December, we are going to win the NFC Eeast and get a home playoff game. If Wade can win that home playoff game, he gets a new multi year contract.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Because those stats are padded against scrubs. Get us a W against the tougher opponents consistently and then talk to us about numbers. This offense always sputters under Garrett at the most inopportune times because he lives and dies by the big play...

This argument makes absolutely no sense.

You do realize that everybody in the NFC East plays 15 out of 16 games the same. It is called "common opponents", so if our offense is just beating up on scrubs, then shouldnt everybody in our division have a top 5 offense since they play an almost identical schedule???

You want to take it a step further outside the division??? Look at the mighty New England Patroits and their star-studded offense. You know how many wins they have against teams above .500 this year......ZERO!!!

So I guess New England is padding their offense stats against scrub teams also since they dont have a single win on the year against a team above .500.

 

[geeter]

Mind you that Jerry Jones also traded for Galloway and Roy Williams. Just because Jerry loves him does not mean that he will bring success to the Boys.

Keep in mind also Romo was a very productive QB once he stepped in for Bledsoe. That had nothing to do with Garrett.

In my opinion, Garrett is getting a lot of credit for all the things Romo has done. Yet we tend to blame Romo for all the things that has gone wrong with the team.

I personally think Garrett is overrated. He clearly focuses more on schemes and exotic formations rather than being able to use the talent thats given to him. Thats why I think Witten's numbers are down from previous years. Thats why I think he doesn't know what to do about Felix Jones. And thats why I also believe Roy Williams is having trouble here in Dallas.

I don't care if Jones loves Garrett. But I honestly don't think he is the long term solution to Dallas. I would rather have Wade as head coach and him calling the defense. At least that has been paying off for us.

and as you well know, its defenses that win championships, JG can be replaced much easier, IMHO. Thats why


(jj also got rid of TO, whom he really liked and had imposed on BP) another key observation is JJ jacking around with JG game plan
and not with the defense...........