Defensive Coordinator

[Manwiththeplan]

I could go either way with Ratliff, but to me, it's a must that we have 2 pass rushers in the front 3. Whether it's

LDE- Marucs Spears
NT- Jay Ratliff
RDE- Allen Bailey or Adrian Clayborn

or

LDE- Jay Ratliff
NT- Phil Taylor or Kendrick Ellis
RDE- Allen Bailey or Adrian Clayborn

We need to improve the pass rush of the front 3

 

[This is Our Year]

How about Mangini now....I'm still holding out for Capers or Lewis

I thought coaches aren't allowed to make lateral moves? How could Capers come here unless he quit his gig with the Pack? Lewis I wouldn't mind either.

 

[jobberone]

I don't think too much of Ratliff at DE but we need a big NT to spell him when necessary.

 

[dbair1967]

Dennis Thurman, Keith Butler, or Vic Fangio.

I think Fangio could be a name that comes up. If Garrett really wanted Capers but cant get him, and asks Capers for names I bet he'll throw Fangio's name out.

If Harbaugh goes to Michigan, Fangio might prefer to return to the NFL.

 

[Woods]

This is going to be the most important decision JG makes if he is hired as a HC.

People want to compare JG to Sean Payton. Big part of Payton's success in NO is because of his DC, Greg Williams. I think Payton can be/is aggressive in the way he manages the game is because he know he can trust this defense to make a stop or get a turnover.

This is a very important point.

The most important decision JG helps make this off-season is not who we draft at number 9, but getting the right DC and assistants. That decision could literally make his career or break it (in terms of longevity and success as a HC).

 

[WoodysGirl]

I think Fangio could be a name that comes up. If Garrett really wanted Capers but cant get him, and asks Capers for names I bet he'll throw Fangio's name out.

If Harbaugh goes to Michigan, Fangio might prefer to return to the NFL.

I thought Capers fired Fangio when he was in Houston or was it Kubiak?

Either way Fangio's defense was not too hot to watch when he was with the Texans.

 

[dbair1967]

I thought Capers fired Fangio when he was in Houston or was it Kubiak?

Either way Fangio's defense was not too hot to watch when he was with the Texans.

According to his bio, he left after the 2005 season when Capers was let go. Then went to Baltimore.

Also, ESPN is saying Fangio is being targeted by Rich Neuheisel at UCLA for the DC job.

 

[The Realist]

JG needs a guy with a lot of experience.

If he hires Chryst as OC he needs an even more experienced guy.

Marty Schottenheimer.....disciplinarian, no stupid penalties, known for quick turnarounds, been coaching the 3-4 since early 80's if not 70's. Already knows everything about the 3-4 Wade installed.

 

[WoodysGirl]

According to his bio, he left after the 2005 season when Capers was let go. Then went to Baltimore.

Also, ESPN is saying Fangio is being targeted by Rich Neuheisel at UCLA for the DC job.

Oh ok. FWIW, I just remember reading something about the players not liking Fangio's scheme. Complicated verbage or something.

And of course, Houston fans hated him and Capers.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Can anyone find one single report, article, news clip, ANYTHING.. stating the length of Capers contract or when its up?

The thing seems to be protected and classified by the FBI. I've seriously not been able to find one snippet of info about it at all.

Any help?

If not i'd go after Nolan.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Any defensive scheme is ONLY as good as ther players that run it. Dumb players equals schemes not being run CORRECTLY (see Dallas Cowboys 2010). You might think I'm crazy for saying this, but, for what he had to work with, Pasqualoni did a pretty good job. His problem was simple - wrong personnel. Think about it - turnovers SKYROCKETED once he started calling the D. Now, imagine him with a 350lb fat boy at NT, Rat at his NATURAL position of 3-4 DE, Lee as the starter at WILB, Spencer actually playing to his potential, and 2 average to above average (not superstars, but competent & SMART) safeties - this defense could easily go back to giving up only 18-20 pts/game vs the almost 4 TD's (27.3) it gave up this year.

I agree, but I don't think dumb players really hurt us on defense. Offensively we had times where dumb players hurt us, but defense I think was a different story.

I don't consider Ball a dumb player, he's just not suited to be a full time starter at FS.

Ratliff was an excellent NT for 3 straight years. We really don't need a behometh NT in this scheme, particularly if Ratliff returns to his old form. However, if we go with more of a 2-gap scheme, which I think doesn't take advantage of our current personnel, then Ratliff will need to move to DE.

My feeling on Ratliff is that we need to get a NT just in case. And if Rat returns to his old form, we could just move that NT to DE or have him back Ratliff up.

I think FS should be the #1 priority. The problem with Sensabaugh is that he doesn't communicate well and gets lost because of it. We need a darn good FS who is a great general out on the field. IMO, that alone (along with more discipline instilled from Garrett) will improve the defense quite a bit...even if Ratliff plays like he did this year.




YR

 

[dbair1967]

Oh ok. FWIW, I just remember reading something about the players not liking Fangio's scheme. Complicated verbage or something.

And of course, Houston fans hated him and Capers.

Whatever he's doing, its working at Stanford. Guy just got some award for being asst coach of the yr too.

 

[dbair1967]

Can anyone find one single report, article, news clip, ANYTHING.. stating the length of Capers contract or when its up?

The thing seems to be protected and classified by the FBI. I've seriously not been able to find one snippet of info about it at all.

Any help?

If not i'd go after Nolan.

No, but in the ESPN pregame chat a few weeks ago I asked them about Capers coming here under Garrett and they all said they had verified he was still under contract. There were two or three of them in the chat that day. They might be full of crap for all I know.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Whatever he's doing, its working at Stanford. Guy just got some award for being asst coach of the yr too.

He might be one of those guys that are better at the college level. *shrug*

 

[RoyTheHammer]

No, but in the ESPN pregame chat a few weeks ago I asked them about Capers coming here under Garrett and they all said they had verified he was still under contract. There were two or three of them in the chat that day. They might be full of crap for all I know.

Sadly that's the most solid info we have to go on i guess. It really is amazing how much of a secret the guy's contract seems to be.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He comes from the george siefert coaching tree so he knows the 34.

I dont think he is high on anyones list however. Outside of his time as the panthers DC he has never been very good. his seattle defenses were not very good.

all his ties are to those west coast 49ers-packers guys and I cant imagine he is on anyones radar here.

I don't think many are talking about him because nobody really believed that Oakland would make a move with Cable. However, if you look at Marshall, he's had some success. In San Francisco, his defense was 3rd in the NFL in points allowed 1997, and 13th in 1998. In Seattle, 2005-2008, he had the 7th, 19th and 6th ranked defense in the league. He was in San Francisco as DC for two seasons but, he was also the LBs coach in San Francisco from 89 to 96. Won two Super Bowls there. He's had some success.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree, but I don't think dumb players really hurt us on defense. Offensively we had times where dumb players hurt us, but defense I think was a different story.

I don't consider Ball a dumb player, he's just not suited to be a full time starter at FS.

Ratliff was an excellent NT for 3 straight years. We really don't need a behometh NT in this scheme, particularly if Ratliff returns to his old form. However, if we go with more of a 2-gap scheme, which I think doesn't take advantage of our current personnel, then Ratliff will need to move to DE.

My feeling on Ratliff is that we need to get a NT just in case. And if Rat returns to his old form, we could just move that NT to DE or have him back Ratliff up.

I think FS should be the #1 priority. The problem with Sensabaugh is that he doesn't communicate well and gets lost because of it. We need a darn good FS who is a great general out on the field. IMO, that alone (along with more discipline instilled from Garrett) will improve the defense quite a bit...even if Ratliff plays like he did this year.




YR

I think two things are very important here. 1. Depends on the 34 scheme that is brought in. The one we are playing now does not suit Rat. We are playing more of a traditional two gap NT 34. It won't take long for Rat to wear down in this scheme. Under Wade, he used the NT to shoot the Gaps much more and slanted them in an attempt to dictate which way the run would flow. He used his DEs to contain creating a lane, so to speak and he used his LBs to collect tackles. In that scheme, Rat was very well suited because you need a quick NT who can hit the gap and force the play. If we go to a more traditional 34, I think we will need another NT.

 

[JeffInDC]

I think two things are very important here. 1. Depends on the 34 scheme that is brought in. The one we are playing now does not suit Rat. We are playing more of a traditional two gap NT 34. It won't take long for Rat to wear down in this scheme. Under Wade, he used the NT to shoot the Gaps much more and slanted them in an attempt to dictate which way the run would flow. He used his DEs to contain creating a lane, so to speak and he used his LBs to collect tackles. In that scheme, Rat was very well suited because you need a quick NT who can hit the gap and force the play. If we go to a more traditional 34, I think we will need another NT.

I think Stephen Paea from OSU would be a great NT any EITHER scheme. He is one of those rare players that is strong as an ox (able to constantly take on the traditional NT role of fighting double teams), YET, quick enough to split the gaps like Rat does (from what I've seen and read, he has a motor just like Rat). But, he's built more like a traditional DT than Rat (6'1", 310+ vs. 6'4", maybe 300). Dareus, who everyone knows is rated much higher than Paea, also looks the part as well, but I'm just not sure about his motor (although his motor was in overdrive in the bowl game).

 

[JeffInDC]

I agree, but I don't think dumb players really hurt us on defense. Offensively we had times where dumb players hurt us, but defense I think was a different story.

I don't consider Ball a dumb player, he's just not suited to be a full time starter at FS.

Ratliff was an excellent NT for 3 straight years. We really don't need a behometh NT in this scheme, particularly if Ratliff returns to his old form. However, if we go with more of a 2-gap scheme, which I think doesn't take advantage of our current personnel, then Ratliff will need to move to DE.

My feeling on Ratliff is that we need to get a NT just in case. And if Rat returns to his old form, we could just move that NT to DE or have him back Ratliff up.

I think FS should be the #1 priority. The problem with Sensabaugh is that he doesn't communicate well and gets lost because of it. We need a darn good FS who is a great general out on the field. IMO, that alone (along with more discipline instilled from Garrett) will improve the defense quite a bit...even if Ratliff plays like he did this year.




YR

The weird thing to me is that Sensy seems so much more like a FS than SS (he's more finesse than strength, but, his awareness is subpar). And, Ball absolutely proved this year that the conversion from CB to S is not that simple. You see the game in a whole new light in center field vs. the corners. He just had such a hard time judging EVERYTHING back there. I really think we had 2 guys back there who just aren't playing their natural positions, and everyone suffered because of that (how many times did it seem like Jenkins and Newman were waiting for help over the top, yet it never came)

 

[YosemiteSam]

How about Mangini now....I'm still holding out for Capers or Lewis

Capers is under contract until next season.