Defensive positives and negatives and where improvement must come

[Bobhaze]

The problem is when you’re shopping you can only buy what’s on the shelf.

Phillips is having a good start and Hendrickson is at least active, but they signed $30m/$28m deals. I don’t remember many fans pounding the table for them.

As far as trades, were there any real difference makers traded? Garrett for Verse? That wasn’t an option for us.

This off season has been different. The team has totally changed its approach to the cap and to risk taking. That’s undeniable.

That never meant it was going to pay off in results on the field, but at least the team is actually going for it instead of talking and then not doing anything different with taking risks.

Kwyn I do agree with you that there probably isn’t much available in a trade now as far as impact pass rushers.

BUT - a good front office - especially one with 38 years of experience should have seen before the season started we had no pass rushers.

IMO they didn’t see it because they suck at roster evaluation. They believe in their own best case scenarios until it’s too late. Very reactionary crew. And the only accountability for will be getting rid of some coaches. Who may deserve it but they aren’t the biggest issue.

 

[GMO415]

Game 3 positive and negatives vs the ravens and more importantly where this defense MUST improve…
POSITIVES - honestly not many but here they are:

• The ravens had 12 possessions and we forced 3 punts and two 4th down stops.
• We had two red zone stops
• Held Derrick Henry to less than 4 yds per carry.

NEGATIVES

• 34 points on 387 yds; 7 splash plays (20 yards or more)
• Lamar Jackson had no pressure and had a 9.2 yards per attempt passing, well above leave avg.
• Gave up nearly 200 yds rushing
• No sacks
• Zero turnovers

Btw - interesting stat from Bob Sturm on Cowboys defense the last decade: We are 0-10 in games where we get no sacks and no turnovers. The defense that led the NFL in TOs during the Dan Quinn era is long gone, at least at the moment.

WHERE WE MUST IMPROVE TO HAVE A SHOT AT BEING A PLAYOFF TEAM

• We must start getting some sacks and TOs) No sacks or to’s mean we have no chance. (Again we are 0-10 in last decade when we get no sacks and no TOs)
• Stop giving up so many big plays.
• Stop the run. (Where have we heard this before?)

One reason I’m a little “meh” on the Joey Porter trade - he won’t pressure the QB. It’s hard to get picks when there’s no pass rush.

So I will be watching to see if we can manufacture any kind of pass rush the next few weeks. Through 18% of the season, our defense has to blitz to get pressure which puts it all on the secondary. Maybe Porter helps in coverage some. Time will tell.

BULLET!!!
Somebody wake up Von Van Winkle Miller

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Game 3 positive and negatives vs the ravens and more importantly where this defense MUST improve…
POSITIVES - honestly not many but here they are:

• The ravens had 12 possessions and we forced 3 punts and two 4th down stops.
• We had two red zone stops
• Held Derrick Henry to less than 4 yds per carry.

NEGATIVES

• 34 points on 387 yds; 7 splash plays (20 yards or more)
• Lamar Jackson had no pressure and had a 9.2 yards per attempt passing, well above leave avg.
• Gave up nearly 200 yds rushing
• No sacks
• Zero turnovers

Btw - interesting stat from Bob Sturm on Cowboys defense the last decade: We are 0-10 in games where we get no sacks and no turnovers. The defense that led the NFL in TOs during the Dan Quinn era is long gone, at least at the moment.

WHERE WE MUST IMPROVE TO HAVE A SHOT AT BEING A PLAYOFF TEAM

• We must start getting some sacks and TOs) No sacks or to’s mean we have no chance. (Again we are 0-10 in last decade when we get no sacks and no TOs)
• Stop giving up so many big plays.
• Stop the run. (Where have we heard this before?)

One reason I’m a little “meh” on the Joey Porter trade - he won’t pressure the QB. It’s hard to get picks when there’s no pass rush.

So I will be watching to see if we can manufacture any kind of pass rush the next few weeks. Through 18% of the season, our defense has to blitz to get pressure which puts it all on the secondary. Maybe Porter helps in coverage some. Time will tell.

Good post, young man!
The no sacks is disturbing.

 

[Bobhaze]

BULLET!!!
Somebody wake up Von Van Winkle Miller

I’m afraid Von Miller may be hearing the not so gentle tap on the door by Father Time, reminding us that FT is undefeated and every great player has a shelf life.

Looks like Miller’s expiration date has come due.

 

[cowboyec]

positives:
dt ogbonnia
lb barham
cb bland
cb revell
s downs
they are starting to get pressures.
they are showing a knack for getting the ball loose...even starting to recover some.

negstives:
dt qw
dt kc
edges gary and eze are not generating sacks.
both gotta play better
the rest of our LBs and DBs have been crapola.
struggle getting teams off the field.
run defense is crapola tho better vs henry...a pleasant surprise.
we have no idea how to use hofer von miller.

to do:
downs and barham should not come off the field.
von miller...malachi lawrence and overton all need more snaps.
bland...porter...and revell when healthy should be our cbs.
downs/hooker our s's.
experiment with overshown at safety.
switch back to a 4-3 alignment...maybe hands in the dirt will ignite gary and eze at de spots.

what they are doing now is not working.
cp should ask tom landry,jr for any of his dad's old playbooks and USE THEM.
please and thank you.

 

[Cowboyny]

Game 3 positive and negatives vs the ravens and more importantly where this defense MUST improve…
POSITIVES - honestly not many but here they are:

• The ravens had 12 possessions and we forced 3 punts and two 4th down stops.
• We had two red zone stops
• Held Derrick Henry to less than 4 yds per carry.

NEGATIVES

• 34 points on 387 yds; 7 splash plays (20 yards or more)
• Lamar Jackson had no pressure and had a 9.2 yards per attempt passing, well above leave avg.
• Gave up nearly 200 yds rushing
• No sacks
• Zero turnovers

Btw - interesting stat from Bob Sturm on Cowboys defense the last decade: We are 0-10 in games where we get no sacks and no turnovers. The defense that led the NFL in TOs during the Dan Quinn era is long gone, at least at the moment.

WHERE WE MUST IMPROVE TO HAVE A SHOT AT BEING A PLAYOFF TEAM

• We must start getting some sacks and TOs) No sacks or to’s mean we have no chance. (Again we are 0-10 in last decade when we get no sacks and no TOs)
• Stop giving up so many big plays.
• Stop the run. (Where have we heard this before?)

One reason I’m a little “meh” on the Joey Porter trade - he won’t pressure the QB. It’s hard to get picks when there’s no pass rush.

So I will be watching to see if we can manufacture any kind of pass rush the next few weeks. Through 18% of the season, our defense has to blitz to get pressure which puts it all on the secondary. Maybe Porter helps in coverage some. Time will tell.

Porter will allow CP to send more pressure as he can hold up in single matchups. They are going to need another veteran pass rusher at some point though

 

[Kwyn]

Kwyn I do agree with you that there probably isn’t much available in a trade now as far as impact pass rushers.

BUT - a good front office - especially one with 38 years of experience should have seen before the season started we had no pass rushers.

IMO they didn’t see it because they suck at roster evaluation. They believe in their own best case scenarios until it’s too late. Very reactionary crew. And the only accountability for will be getting rid of some coaches. Who may deserve it but they aren’t the biggest issue.

On that we definitely agree. The only thing our front office is good at is making Jerry and Stephen feel like geniuses.

 

[kskboys]

No doubt.
At least the interior first line run defense finally showed somewhat of a pulse along with Barham doing his best at the 2nd level.
Now as far as the edges...
They cant seem to set the edge to save their life.
Nor get home on the pass rush for that matter but that's a different discussion.

Gary sets the edge very well and is getting hate for it!!!!!

 

[Hawkeye19]

Game 3 positive and negatives vs the ravens and more importantly where this defense MUST improve…
POSITIVES - honestly not many but here they are:

• The ravens had 12 possessions and we forced 3 punts and two 4th down stops.
• We had two red zone stops
• Held Derrick Henry to less than 4 yds per carry.

NEGATIVES

• 34 points on 387 yds; 7 splash plays (20 yards or more)
• Lamar Jackson had no pressure and had a 9.2 yards per attempt passing, well above leave avg.
• Gave up nearly 200 yds rushing
• No sacks
• Zero turnovers

Btw - interesting stat from Bob Sturm on Cowboys defense the last decade: We are 0-10 in games where we get no sacks and no turnovers. The defense that led the NFL in TOs during the Dan Quinn era is long gone, at least at the moment.

WHERE WE MUST IMPROVE TO HAVE A SHOT AT BEING A PLAYOFF TEAM

• We must start getting some sacks and TOs) No sacks or to’s mean we have no chance. (Again we are 0-10 in last decade when we get no sacks and no TOs)
• Stop giving up so many big plays.
• Stop the run. (Where have we heard this before?)

One reason I’m a little “meh” on the Joey Porter trade - he won’t pressure the QB. It’s hard to get picks when there’s no pass rush.

So I will be watching to see if we can manufacture any kind of pass rush the next few weeks. Through 18% of the season, our defense has to blitz to get pressure which puts it all on the secondary. Maybe Porter helps in coverage some. Time will tell.

They are getting some pressures. But no one can finish. Hopefully the young pups can take the next step and start closing the deal.

Porter is helpful in that he can be like Mitchell in Philly’s D and take away the short side of the field, travel with an opponent’s #1 option, and allow Parker to send help to cover other priorities.

Right now, they clearly have a long way to go. But the D is young, beat up, learning the 4th new scheme in as many years, and is being led by a green DC.

The floor is low, but the ceiling is high. Qunnen, Barham, Downs, and Porter look to be all dawgs. Bland, Hooker, Thompson, Durant, Clark, Eze, Lawrence, Locke are all serviceable with some upside.

Gary and Miller looked absolutely washed up at the moment. It sucks that we are getting nothing from these overlaid vets. They are now just progress stoppers— but we have zero depth for the front 7.

If we win the next couple of games, maybe JJ swings for another trade that adds a true pass rusher— but in the end— this D is just a work in progress and is gonna take some time to turn it all around.

If we can get to a top 20 D by the stretch run and our offense stays on it’s trajectory, we may be able to peak at the right time.

The trouble is we are still so prone to self inflicted wounds on offense. Schotty is a liability as a game manager and we are still regularly out coached and we are also getting hurt on special teams.

We are not a well run or well coached team.

 

[Whirlwin]

The most improvement needs to come from the people in charge, the people the players trust, to make the right call, the right decision, at the right time,

 

[morasp]

They need to fix the run defense. They are ninth in passing yards/game with 215. They are 31st in rushing yards per game with 180.

 

[Whirlwin]

They need to fix the run defense. They are ninth in passing yards/game with 215. They are 31st in rushing yards per game with 180.

We held, King Henry, to under 100 yards

 

[big dog cowboy]

They need to fix the run defense.

Seems like we say that every year.

 

[Whirlwin]

Game 3 positive and negatives vs the ravens and more importantly where this defense MUST improve…
POSITIVES - honestly not many but here they are:

• The ravens had 12 possessions and we forced 3 punts and two 4th down stops.
• We had two red zone stops
• Held Derrick Henry to less than 4 yds per carry.

NEGATIVES

• 34 points on 387 yds; 7 splash plays (20 yards or more)
• Lamar Jackson had no pressure and had a 9.2 yards per attempt passing, well above leave avg.
• Gave up nearly 200 yds rushing
• No sacks
• Zero turnovers

Btw - interesting stat from Bob Sturm on Cowboys defense the last decade: We are 0-10 in games where we get no sacks and no turnovers. The defense that led the NFL in TOs during the Dan Quinn era is long gone, at least at the moment.

WHERE WE MUST IMPROVE TO HAVE A SHOT AT BEING A PLAYOFF TEAM

• We must start getting some sacks and TOs) No sacks or to’s mean we have no chance. (Again we are 0-10 in last decade when we get no sacks and no TOs)
• Stop giving up so many big plays.
• Stop the run. (Where have we heard this before?)

One reason I’m a little “meh” on the Joey Porter trade - he won’t pressure the QB. It’s hard to get picks when there’s no pass rush.

So I will be watching to see if we can manufacture any kind of pass rush the next few weeks. Through 18% of the season, our defense has to blitz to get pressure which puts it all on the secondary. Maybe Porter helps in coverage some. Time will tell.

Excellent post, as usual, I’m just venting still lol

 

[Jarntt]

One reason I’m a little “meh” on the Joey Porter trade - he won’t pressure the QB. It’s hard to get picks when there’s no pass rush.

So I will be watching to see if we can manufacture any kind of pass rush the next few weeks. Through 18% of the season, our defense has to blitz to get pressure which puts it all on the secondary. Maybe Porter helps in coverage some. Time will tell.

As you said, sacks and turnovers are indeed huge. But, everything works together. There are plenty of "coverage sacks" in the NFL so this could help that category you stressed in your post as being important a little.

Then better coverage from one player "in theory" would indeed lead to more turnovers in many ways. On any given pass play as it minimizes the number of wide open options a QB has: both due to Porter's better coverage on his man than the CB he replaces and the ability we have to shade a safety to the other side to help out and let Porter lock down his side. Better coverage also leads to more 3rd and long situations which again in theory leads to more sacks and turnovers. A lot of "in theory" so time will tell. We certainly are better on the field this year and next than before the trade. We shall see if that offsets the loss of a draft pick we might have screwed up anyway...