Demarcus Ware vs. Jeremy Mincey

[boscokt]

I'm not comparing the two as players or athletes, or their impacts when healthy. I think we could all agree that Ware is the more impactful player, but....

Jerry was roundly made fun of last year when we decided to let Ware walk and signed Mincey in an obvious cost saving move.

But in comparison here is what they made in contracts and what they produced:

2 year, 3 million dollar deal
3 year, 30 million dollar deal

Mincy 6 sacks, 39 tackles, 2 FF
Ware 10 sacks, 40 tackles, 2 FF

So for 7MM more dollars last year, Denver got 4 more sacks and 1 more tackle.

Like I said, not making any claims but that was an underrated move that shows that we are progressing somewhat as a more responsible franchise.

 

[JBell]

I think you're doing Mincey an injustice by not mentioning his QB pressures. Was top 20 in the league last season, had the same amount of pressures as Cameron Wake and Tamba Hali. Mincey also showed off some versatility being able to play some DT.

Tremendous value.

Give me two more Mincey's this off-season and a DL early in the draft.

 

[erod]

Ware faded as always last year.

Mincey came on strong at the end.

Ware is a huge cap figure.

Give me Mincey.

 

[boscokt]

I think you're doing Mincey an injustice by not mentioning his QB pressures. Was top 20 in the league last season, had the same amount of pressures as Cameron Wake and Tamba Hali. Mincey also showed off some versatility being able to play some DT.

Tremendous value.

Give me two more Mincey's this off-season and a DL early in the draft.

Not trying to be unjust but I'm just being conservative in the comparison between the two, and giving Ware a slight advantage in the debate.

Even with that advantage he comes up short in the dollar value.

 

[Flinger]

Question?

Anyone know how much OC game planning went into each game played against Ware and each game played against Mincey? Answer? No, no one does.

But, if Ware is seeing double teams and chip blocks on every down and Mincey isn't - that just might make a pretty big difference in the effectiveness of a defense.

Our defensive line and it's lack of a consistent pass rush was, without any question, the reason the Green Bay Packers barely held on to beat us in the playoffs. Basically - we had no pass rush and Rodgers had a field day.

If I remember, Ware didn't exactly light it up in the play-offs either.

But, it would be interesting to talk with Offensive Coordinators that play against both Ware and Mincey to see if either is more effective than the other from a value perspective.

 

[burmafrd]

Question?

Anyone know how much OC game planning went into each game played against Ware and each game played against Mincey? Answer? No, no one does.

But, if Ware is seeing double teams and chip blocks on every down and Mincey isn't - that just might make a pretty big difference in the effectiveness of a defense.

Our defensive line and it's lack of a consistent pass rush was, without any question, the reason the Green Bay Packers barely held on to beat us in the playoffs. Basically - we had no pass rush and Rodgers had a field day.

If I remember, Ware didn't exactly light it up in the play-offs either.

But, it would be interesting to talk with Offensive Coordinators that play against both Ware and Mincey to see if either is more effective than the other from a value perspective.

how DARE you bring logic and common sense to this board. I demand you be banned!

 

[JohnsKey19]

Question?

Anyone know how much OC game planning went into each game played against Ware and each game played against Mincey? Answer? No, no one does.

But, if Ware is seeing double teams and chip blocks on every down and Mincey isn't - that just might make a pretty big difference in the effectiveness of a defense.

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Ware also had Von Miller, while Mincey had...well nothing. Two sides to that coin....

 

[JBell]

Question?

Anyone know how much OC game planning went into each game played against Ware and each game played against Mincey? Answer? No, no one does.

But, if Ware is seeing double teams and chip blocks on every down and Mincey isn't - that just might make a pretty big difference in the effectiveness of a defense.

Our defensive line and it's lack of a consistent pass rush was, without any question, the reason the Green Bay Packers barely held on to beat us in the playoffs. Basically - we had no pass rush and Rodgers had a field day.

If I remember, Ware didn't exactly light it up in the play-offs either.

But, it would be interesting to talk with Offensive Coordinators that play against both Ware and Mincey to see if either is more effective than the other from a value perspective.

I doubt Ware was seeing double teams and chip blocks every down playing on the same line as Von Miller and Terrance Knighton.

 

[speedkilz88]

Can anyone post their pressures and qb hits? That would help any comparison.

 

[boscokt]

Question?

Anyone know how much OC game planning went into each game played against Ware and each game played against Mincey? Answer? No, no one does.

But, if Ware is seeing double teams and chip blocks on every down and Mincey isn't - that just might make a pretty big difference in the effectiveness of a defense.

Our defensive line and it's lack of a consistent pass rush was, without any question, the reason the Green Bay Packers barely held on to beat us in the playoffs. Basically - we had no pass rush and Rodgers had a field day.

If I remember, Ware didn't exactly light it up in the play-offs either.

But, it would be interesting to talk with Offensive Coordinators that play against both Ware and Mincey to see if either is more effective than the other from a value perspective.

Thats an interesting point, but I think its been a while since Ware has been a guy you had to double team and chip block.

All that said, there is a 14 million dollar contract difference between them. That could be a few very good players worth of cap space.

I don't think Mincey is a speed rusher like Ware, that could break it at any time, but there is no doubt we got great value in the replacement for Ware last year.

 

[lqmac1]

Mincey has been quite the surprise for us. He brings it on every play. I think he was underrated just because he played for the Jaguars and probably didn't give 100% for them, who would? He's at the tail end of his career and is playing for a legit contender, I think that drives him.

 

[Future]

I doubt Ware was seeing double teams and chip blocks every down playing on the same line as Von Miller and Terrance Knighton.

He wasn't seeing that here with George Selvie on the other side...