Did TO's Party impact the game?

[Lifetimeboyzfan]

Guys:

Just wondering how TO's party may have impacted preparations for last week's game. From newspaper accounts the party lasted until at least 11PM pacific time (1AM Central) and allowing an hour to get to the airport plus three hours flight time that gets the plane back to Dallas around 5AM Wednesday morning.

From what I understand three defensive guys went (two linebackers and backup safety) and the defense made a lot of mental mistakes. Don't know who made the mental mistakes, but I think the linebackers were heavily involved. Note: The flare passes and the tight end seemed to be open all the time.

Also, the Hollywood scene may have impacted the whole team. I could see the guys talking up the party, who they met etc. Bottom line: I wonder if the whole team was fully focused on the upcoming game.

When you go up against a team that sees the game as their Super Bowl and you are still talking about your Hollywood friends I don't think you have much of a chance.

I was a supporter of bringing in TO, but now I'm wondering. He seems unable to get his act together and focus on football. Maybe he has some other team in mind for next year.

Thoughts?

JR

Were you kidding on this post?

 

[STSINAZ]

what are you guys talking about? the game was on sunday not wednesday,,,do you guys make up stuff to talk about? ridiculous

 

[Doomsday101]

So you believe, and you would have me to believe that of the other 52 players, not one has dozed off in any meeting, not one has stepped on to the practice field a minute late, or walked into a meeting a minute late, .. not one has missed a single word that Parcells has uttered all season long ?

Not at all which is why I said Every Player. This team right now needs to be focused on one thing and that is winning the East and hopefully doing something in the playoffs. I do point to TO because he is the only one who will get in front of national TV audience and say this stupid stuff but it goes for every player. When your at Valley Ranch it should be expected you are there to take care of business and that business is getting ready for the next opponent that means paying attention to detail to be fully ready to play and players personal agenda I don't care about

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree with that. Add to that also how T.O. started the week by saying he slept through Parcells' championship speach. Whether he did or not is not hte issue. It's the fact that he minimized - and dare i say mocked - a speah about what it takes to win a championship, and that may have had a negative affect on the team by adding unneded distraction.

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Even Irvin commented that was wrong and disrespectful towards Parcells. Mike is the biggest defender of TO so that should tell you something.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

It is my understanding from "inside sources" that the party may indeed have played a part in our loss.

Those sources said that TO had some bad food at the party which resulted in him have a case of the screaming trots. This in turn made him late to multiple meetings because he was stuck in the restroom. This also made the WR Coach FURIOUS and in turn TO did not play well because he felt that the coach was out to get him and leaking info to JFE.

 

[Doomsday101]

did you hear parcells on this one? he said something to the effect of:

"you do know he says this stuff just to suck you guys in, right? well, consider yourselfs sucked..."

now that parcells is done w/veteran qb's, i almost don't mind if he stays another year.

Parcells does not want to talk about this junk that does not mean that this did not happen but Bill is not going to do as Andy Reid did and get into a verbal back and forth with TO though the media.

 

[iceberg]

Parcells does not want to talk about this junk that does not mean that this did not happen but Bill is not going to do as Andy Reid did and get into a verbal back and forth with TO though the media.

and that's VERY smart by parcells just to not get into it. thereby, he has nothing to "fix" for anyone.

 

[Doomsday101]

and that's VERY smart by parcells just to not get into it. thereby, he has nothing to "fix" for anyone.

I agree. I think Bill has done a good job of not dealing with TO through the media that would be a big mistake and a big distraction and in the end would create problems. I will say in TO interview he seems a bit miffed that Parcells did not ask him about his accidental OD so I really don't know what Parcells feeling are about TO one way or the other and I don't think TO knows either.

 

[iceberg]

I agree. I think Bill has done a good job of not dealing with TO through the media that would be a big mistake and a big distraction and in the end would create problems. I will say in TO interview he seems a bit miffed that Parcells did not ask him about his accidental OD so I really don't know what Parcells feeling are about TO one way or the other and I don't think TO knows either.

so TO can go be miffed. hopefully he can "miff" himself right off the team.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Not at all which is why I said Every Player. This team right now needs to be focused on one thing and that is winning the East and hopefully doing something in the playoffs. I do point to TO because he is the only one who will get in front of national TV audience and say this stupid stuff but it goes for every player. When your at Valley Ranch it should be expected you are there to take care of business and that business is getting ready for the next opponent that means paying attention to detail to be fully ready to play and players personal agenda I don't care about

OK, it just seems that most of the time "certain" players are being held to different standards.

That is what aggrivates me, no matter who the player is.

As long as everyone is treated the same.

 

[Doomsday101]

OK, it just seems that most of the time "certain" players are being held to different standards.

That is what aggrivates me, no matter who the player is.

As long as everyone is treated the same.

I do expect that out of every single player on this team. I will say I expect even more out of so called star players and leaders on this team. They help to set the standard for others. You have talked about coaching well any coach knows that.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I do expect that out of every single player on this team. I will say I expect even more out of so called star players and leaders on this team. They help to set the standard for others. You have talked about coaching well any coach knows that.

I do consider Owens one of the stars on this team, but I don't consider him a leader.

I thought Rivera would be a leader, but I don't see that in him either.

 

[Doomsday101]

I do consider Owens one of the stars on this team, but I don't consider him a leader.

I thought Rivera would be a leader, but I don't see that in him either.

It is not just being a leader, young players look to the vet players and your right that should be expected for guys like Rivera as well. I know TO is not a leader on this team but for a guy who is not a leader he sure does a lot of talking to the media and players do look to him

 

[sbuscha]

I don't know of any other there may be others, but I know 1 who comes out and says he is not paying attention and one who thinks falling asleep during meeting as something that is funny. No other member of this team is dumb enough to say I don't pay attention or everyone knows I sleep during meetings just go ask my last coach.

So when Parcells says TO is sucking in the media do you feel sucked also? Why do we complain that ESPN can not get anything write then we believe what they write....This amazes me
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[Doomsday101]

So when Parcells says TO is sucking in the media do you feel sucked also? Why do we complain that ESPN can not get anything write then we believe what they write....This amazes me
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ESPN only reported what Owens himself said. I know you guys are hanging on the sucked in quote by Parcells but it seems me Parcells just does not want to talk about TO and avoids the topic almost at all cost. Even if what TO said is not true why say it? Was Romo getting to much press and TO was becoming the forgotten man so he gets up in front of the camera and says stupid things? You guys accuse the media but TO is the one handing out the ammo right and left. Stop blaming them and blame the guy who is doing it!!!

 

[sbuscha]

ESPN only reported what Owens himself said. I know you guys are hanging on the sucked in quote by Parcells but it seems me Parcells just does not want to talk about TO and avoids the topic almost at all cost. Even if what TO said is not true why say it? Was Romo getting to much press and TO was becoming the forgotten man so he gets up in front of the camera and says stupid things? You guys accuse the media but TO is the one handing out the ammo right and left. Stop blaming them and blame the guy who is doing it!!!

He avoides it because everything is misquoted or taking out of context. I have listened to these interviews and then read what is reported and it is NOT remotely close. Did you hear this interview? I know I did and he said things that were not reported and reported out of context.

Next

 

[WV Cowboy]

It is not just being a leader, young players look to the vet players and your right that should be expected for guys like Rivera as well. I know TO is not a leader on this team but for a guy who is not a leader he sure does a lot of talking to the media and players do look to him

I know, but I wonder who contacts who for interviews, sound bites and such.

I wonder if he called ESPN or MI and said, "hey I want an interview"

He definetly needs to say less.

You mentioned my coaching, ... as a coach, I can not even imagine not talking to a player if he was rushed to the hospital.

Even if it turned out to not be a suicide attempt, I would still at least tease him about it or jokingly ask him if he has his meds right now or something.

I could not "not ask".

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

OK, it just seems that most of the time "certain" players are being held to different standards.

That is what aggrivates me, no matter who the player is.

As long as everyone is treated the same.

You are right...some players are held to different standards and not all treated the same.

Do you think if Miles Austin missed most of camp with an injury, showed up in a discovery bike jersey and helmet, was late to meetings, had a OD episode, had been fined mutliple times, had fell asleep in meetings, told the media he did not know what the coach said because he was thinking about the party (even if he was joking about it), led the league in dropped passes and complained that he could not trust people because they were leaking info about him.

If Miles Austin said that do you think he would still be here?

I doubt it, so you are right, players are not always held to the same standards.

Jimmy was known for letting some players get away with stuff and others he would cut for much smaller infractions.

It is the nfl and it is the way it is.

Sure some players will get more ire their way in the media, but some of those same players get more chances than another player may get for doing nothing.

 

[sbuscha]

You mentioned my coaching, ... as a coach, I can not even imagine not talking to a player if he was rushed to the hospital.

Even if it turned out to not be a suicide attempt, I would still at least tease him about it or jokingly ask him if he has his meds right now or something.

I could not "not ask".

Do you honestly think Parcells reports everything to the media? Do you honestly think the coach did not ask TO about the incident? They professionals; however they are also human as well. This group is close and they do not tell all to the media who has made a habit of twisting words and false reporting.

 

[Doomsday101]

I know, but I wonder who contacts who for interviews, sound bites and such.

I wonder if he called ESPN or MI and said, "hey I want an interview"

He definetly needs to say less.

You mentioned my coaching, ... as a coach, I can not even imagine not talking to a player if he was rushed to the hospital.

Even if it turned out to not be a suicide attempt, I would still at least tease him about it or jokingly ask him if he has his meds right now or something.

I could not "not ask".

Well ESPN can't force a player to do an interview and your right he needs to say much less. Like it or not when he talks he represents more than himself he represents the Dallas Cowboys. As far as the OD and Bill not saying anything to him about that at all does make me wonder of Bills feeling about TO. Many talked about how Bill has handled problem players but the one thing I always saw from those problem players was a respect they held towards Parcells from LT, Brian Cox and Keyshawn to a man they showed Bill a certain respect and I don't see that with TO