Did Zeke have any room to run?

[nate dizzle]

He hasn’t had a 30 yard run this year. Actually, he’s only had one run of 20+ yards.

Zeke is a player who needs 20+ carries a game to do damage.

You can try to defend an RB getting $100 mil with that kind of production, I expect the “best” RB in the league to lead the league in all the right stats.

Allow myself to quote...myself.

I'm guessing 30 yards because that's about as long as I remember him going for this year. Players are worth what the market says they are. Most are overpaid. I didn't want Zeke signed to the deal he got. RB's in general aren't worth the huge investment. He's still a damn good RB, but he'll never be worth the amount they paid him simply because there are guys showing every week that they can get it done just as well.

 

[mattjames2010]

Allow myself to quote...myself.

Your quote is directly going against your defense of Zeke.

Zeke was not the “market”, he held out to get above it. You didn’t want to pay Zeke that money, but he got that money and with that comes an expectation of production..

You defending Zeke, his contract in the process with the excuse making.

Zeke needs to play like the best back in the league.

 

[nate dizzle]

Your quote is directly going against your defense of Zeke.

Zeke was not the “market”, he held out to get above it. You didn’t want to pay Zeke that money, but he got that money and with that comes an expectation of production..

You defending Zeke, his contract in the process with the excuse making.

Zeke needs to play like the best back in the league.

Can you point to the excuse I made here? Please point it out? I think you just want to argue and are swinging at ghosts.

 

[mattjames2010]

Can you point to the excuse I made here? Please point it out? I think you just want to argue and are swinging at ghosts.

The entire basis of this argument is Zeke is getting paid like he’s the best back in the league but can’t make crap happen if the O-Line isn’t having a great night...You countered this with some comparison to Dak getting paid “Best Qb” money

And I have constantly heard he excuse from people that Zeke is a back that will always get you those 3-4 tough yards if nothing is there. Where has that been?

 

[aria]

Did you not hear Collinsworth say Zimmer told his DB's they would have to be on islands because Zimmer was selling out to stop Zeke? They talked about this from the opening remarks of the telecast.

Explain to me how Zeke had three straight 100 yard rushing contests right before this one.

Because minus the Eagles where Zeke had holes I could drive a semi through, the other two teams are two of the worst in the league and the Giants defense is in the bottom 5 overall.

 

[nate dizzle]

The entire basis of this argument is Zeke is getting paid like he’s the best back in the league but can’t make crap happen if the O-Line isn’t having a great night...You countered this with some comparison to Dak getting paid “Best Qb” money

And I have constantly heard he excuse from people that Zeke is a back that will always get you those 3-4 tough yards if nothing is there. Where has that been?

Yes, because the amount of money a player makes does not dictate how they, or more importantly, the rest of the team plays. That's not an excuse, it's just facts. Zeke was terrible last night. So was the offensive line in run blocking (see the grades). Salary was irrelevant to this because all of them were bad. Just like if Dak gets 40 mil a year, he's still going to be a product of the players around him and how they perform. He's going to have some bad games.

Zeke got paid top RB money because he could. I don't like it, but the market was there after Gurley's deal. It sucks because it could prevent us from signing someone like Cooper. All that said, he's still a damn good RB. As for those 3-4 tough yards? He's gotten that pretty consistently this year. Last night, no, he was terrible.

 

[mattjames2010]

Yes, because the amount of money a player makes does not dictate how they, or more importantly, the rest of the team plays. That's not an excuse, it's just facts. Zeke was terrible last night. So was the offensive line in run blocking (see the grades). Salary was irrelevant to this because all of them were bad. Just like if Dak gets 40 mil a year, he's still going to be a product of the players around him and how they perform. He's going to have some bad games.

Zeke got paid top RB money because he could. I don't like it, but the market was there after Gurley's deal. It sucks because it could prevent us from signing someone like Cooper. All that said, he's still a damn good RB. As for those 3-4 tough yards? He's gotten that pretty consistently this year. Last night, no, he was terrible.

I won’t explain this again...

You are 100% going with my viewpoint here when you admit Zeke is a product of his surroundings, which tells you WHY Zeke’s contract was a mistake.

It doesn’t matter how the other players perform, when an RB is paid like the best back in the league, he needs to play at that level consistently or he is overpaid.....

The expectation to how Zeke needs to play was set the moment the ink met the paper. No amount of “Well the O-line” - no, stop. Zeke needs to make plays. Dead stop. Period.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I haven't watched the All 22 tape but from my observation I didn't see any missed cutting opportunities for Zeke.
He seemed to be corralled all night by the Vikings D.
He basically got all that he could out of most of the runs.
The Oline didn't seem to do him many favors too.

Zeke is a turd. There were plays to be made and he simply couldn’t make them. Not hard to stop a slow back with no moves that can’t bounce it outside.

Zeke is basically a 15 m blitz pickup. It’s all he’s good for.

was pouting and had given up by the end of the game.

 

[nate dizzle]

I won’t explain this again...

You are 100% going with my viewpoint here when you admit Zeke is a product of his surroundings, which tells you WHY Zeke’s contract was a mistake.

It doesn’t matter how the other players perform, when an RB is paid like the best back in the league, he needs to play at that level consistently or he is overpaid.....

The expectation to how Zeke needs to play was set the moment the ink met the paper. No amount of “Well the O-line” - no, stop. Zeke needs to make plays. Dead stop. Period.

Which part of me stating that he's overpaid are you struggling with? Which part of me saying his contract sucks are you struggling with? You might have to explain it...just one more time.

 

[sacase]

Zeke is a turd. There were plays to be made and he simply couldn’t make them. Not hard to stop a slow back with no moves that can’t bounce it outside.

Zeke is basically a 15 m blitz pickup. It’s all he’s good for.

was pouting and had given up by the end of the game.

I am not sure what game you were watching...oh wait....you were busy building a false narrative in your head to match your dislike for Zeke. Zeke was there trying to get the crowd involved in the game to support the defense. There was a pretty clear shot on the TV showing that, but I bet you are going to conveniently forget that part or somehow belittle it despite saying that he was pouting.

Please show us plays there were there for him to make. I said during the game chat that there must be some tells that we are showing because run plays where dead before they started. Sure enough the Vikings DT said there was a tell in the stance of our Oline. Must suck to be so wrong.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I am not sure what game you were watching...oh wait....you were busy building a false narrative in your head to match your dislike for Zeke. Zeke was there trying to get the crowd involved in the game to support the defense. There was a pretty clear shot on the TV showing that, but I bet you are going to conveniently forget that part or somehow belittle it despite saying that he was pouting.

Please show us plays there were there for him to make. I said during the game chat that there must be some tells that we are showing because run plays where dead before they started. Sure enough the Vikings DT said there was a tell in the stance of our Oline. Must suck to be so wrong.

lol.....you mean sucks to be right.

 

[sacase]

lol.....you mean sucks to be right.

What were you right about? LOL Because you said so....no proof at all but proclaim your strawman is right. Get out of here with that mess.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What were you right about? LOL Because you said so....no proof at all but proclaim your strawman is right. Get out of here with that mess.

dak is a stud, he would have a big game, Garrett is a turd, zeke is slow, needs big holes to do anything, cooks is a real back and better back, zeke isn’t the best back in the nfl, other backs run better, catch better,......ect.....ect....

to name a few

 

[InTheZone]

This was very reminiscent of his 1st game his rookie season. No room to run, but it's all his fault.

 

[sacase]

dak is a stud, he would have a big game, Garrett is a turd, zeke is slow, needs big holes to do anything, cooks is a real back and better back, zeke isn’t the best back in the nfl, other backs run better, catch better,......ect.....ect....

to name a few

No go back and back up your statements that he was pouting and that he missed opportunities. Provide proof, not change the narrative.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No go back and back up your statements that he was pouting and that he missed opportunities. Provide proof, not change the narrative.

Bubububut.......lol

nothing to say about anything else?

how do I help a guy that can’t see the obvious?

Rewatch the game. Why do I care what you think?

 

[KJJ]

There wasn’t much room to run the Vikings were bent on stopping it. The run blocking has been an issue this season. Connor Williams isn’t getting it done and Frederick doesn’t appear to be back to form. The biggest problem I see with Zeke is his inability to make defenders miss in the open field. There’s not a lot of shiftiness to his running style, he seems to seek out defenders. I can’t even remember his last long run. Most of the blame last night I put on the run blocking but I wish Zeke had more wiggle to him. He’s more of a north/south type runner.

 

[Kingofholland]

Not much running room at all. Certainly not all on Zeke but the opportunities he did have he got beat.

Blame the coaching, our FB got 5 snaps, the vikings used their fullback 30+ plays. When you're have trouble running --- pass more or throw another blocker in.

 

[Silly]

There wasn’t much room to run the Vikings were bent on stopping it. The run blocking has been an issue this season. Connor Williams isn’t getting it done and Frederick doesn’t appear to be back to form. The biggest problem I see with Zeke is his inability to make defenders miss in the open field. There’s not a lot of shiftiness to his running style, he seems to seek out defenders. I can’t even remember his last long run. Most of the blame last night I put on the run blocking but I wish Zeke had more wiggle to him. He’s more of a north/south type runner.

I think a lot of times he seeks out contact so he can control the tackle. That way he doesn't get hurt by being caught in an awkward position.

 

[Chuck 54]

I haven't watched the All 22 tape but from my observation I didn't see any missed cutting opportunities for Zeke.
He seemed to be corralled all night by the Vikings D.
He basically got all that he could out of most of the runs.
The Oline didn't seem to do him many favors too.

If our defense had showed up to play instead of letting Cook B-Slap them and Cousins own them, folding in the red zone and letting them drive out of deep holes, it would have been entirely different last night. Dak and the passing game was doing more than enough to make them change their strategy and back some guys off, but the defense was owned by Minny last night. Zimmer never saw anything by our defense to make him change his strategy. Even when we took the lead, the defense let them run right down the field and take the lead back. Any defense at all, and we would have seen changes to allow us to run the ball better.