Disgraceful, but some good news

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Disgraceful, bad play by:

1. Both safeties: At least Watkins is a rookie...how long do we keep making excuses for Roy when he blows it in coverage or misreads the ball in the air like today...unnoticed due to his major mistakes was the fact that when he was covering guys man up, they almost always had easy separation against him for first downs, but luckily let the balls from McNabb bounce off their chests.

2. The pass rush....great in 1 quarter, then disappeared for the most part again.

3. McBriar...the guy has terrible hands and gave up 7 points, bobbled another, and for some reason he's still the backup holder on fg's after blowing that job last year too.

4. OL...very good run blocking for the most part...lousy pass protection, especially Adams who was beaten repeatedly by simple inside moves...Lump Fasano and Witten into the mix, neither of whom are good enough blockers to really make the two te set work against good teams...yet.

5. Witten...not a disgrace, no, but he seems to be lost and have his head up his butt since the contract...another game, another dropped pass.

6. Bledsoe....yes, he was under lots of pressure, but you have to move your feet a little and find a throwing lane instead of being a statue. Why he held that one and took the big sack in 4th is beyond me...still, I don't want to see Romo...no way. For those with short memories, the god, Aikman did the exact same thing...actually a tie game with the ball around the 10 and time running down...a fg wins the game, but he threw an int even deeper in the end zone that was returned for a td and a Dallas loss, snatching defeat from a sure victory...I'm sure that's why he was fairly magnanimous about the play...he had to be having horror flashbacks.

7. Crayton...the guy does absolutely nothing, especially on punt returns...I'm ready to see Rector or Hurd at WR.

8. T.O....wow...someone will defend him, but he was as big an enemy to this team as anyone...it's one thing to be a crybaby to the refs or toward the other team, but he had to be a huge distraction for our own guys with his idiocy on the sidelines, no matter what the reason...he had already started his pouting and depression while we still had the lead....he's a disgrace as a man and still a terrible teammate, regardless of his talent level.

9. Coaching...calls in short yardage?...delays and stretch runs instead of straight ahead pounding...someone is just as bad at figuring how to use T.O. as they were at using Joey Galloway, who was a star before we got him and is a star again now.

Bright Spot?

As bad as we were in many many facets of the game, and as good as McNabb played ( I hope finally shutting up the idiot homers who want to pretend he's not a top QB in the NFL ), we still had a chance to win the game right down to the end, and on the road in Philly...that's a very good thing.

The fact is that this team hasn't proven that it's good enough to win on the road against good teams (see Jax and Philly), but we had a chance in both games...we should continue to improve as the year goes on, the young guys learn, and the OL hopefully continues to gel.

Heartbreaking ending, but who would have thought we'd even have a chance if told the game McNabb would have, the # of huge td's and plays we'd give up, the times we'd turn it over and where, and how many sacks we'd give up?

PHilly now has the upper hand and is the front runner...we have to take care of business next week at home and learn to play with more composure on the road.

Priceless:

What we wouldn't give to have a taped recording of the conversation between Vanderjacht and Owens on the sideline....I don't buy the crap from the commentators...more likely they were bashing our coaching staff....I'd love to know what they were really saying.
 

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wayne_motley;1078468 said:
Disgraceful, bad play by:

1. Both safeties: At least Watkins is a rookie...how long do we keep making excuses for Roy when he blows it in coverage or misreads the ball in the air like today...unnoticed due to his major mistakes was the fact that when he was covering guys man up, they almost always had easy separation against him for first downs, but luckily let the balls from McNabb bounce off their chests.

:shatfan: :nono2: :nolook:

Nice post.
 

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I'm going to play Devil's advocate here for a second.

Maybe those balls bounce off the chest of Roy's man because they fear the hit that is coming. Roy MAYBE got beat on that LJ Smith play. He also misplayed the ball on the flea-flicker, but that Watkins baby all the way. Why not pick on Henry for being an easy first down all day? It's weird that Roy takes the pounding here...

The pass rush was pretty consistent. It was never that great. Philly adjusted somewhat, and Dallas made sure that they didn't let McNabb run wild. For the most part that was a fine strategy. The busts in the secondary killed the team.


I didn't think TO was a big negative either. The guy wants to win. I'm sure he felt like he should have been getting the ball more even when the team had the lead. I think he might have been right though. Dallas never got seperation because of all of their mistakes and poor play, and in the end, Philly beat them.

The Vanderjagt and Owens conversation would have been hilarious though, I think. I agree that those guys aren't exactly thrilled with how things are right now.
 

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summerisfunner;1078554 said:
I don't know where that came from

I was trying to defend TO as the original poster said someone would.
 

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ddh33;1078637 said:
I was trying to defend TO as the original poster said someone would.

I know, I was telling him I didn't know where wayne came up w/ the notion that TO was being a distraction and a bad teammate
 

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Maybe those balls bounce off the chest of Roy's man because they fear the hit that is coming. Roy MAYBE got beat on that LJ Smith play. He also misplayed the ball on the flea-flicker, but that Watkins baby all the way. Why not pick on Henry for being an easy first down all day? It's weird that Roy takes the pounding here...

in order to MAYBE get beat you MAYBE have to try to cover them first. he straight up blew his assignment, no questions asked.
 

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summerisfunner;1078642 said:
I know, I was telling him I didn't know where wayne came up w/ the notion that TO was being a distraction and a bad teammate

Okay, my mistake. I don't mean to be a TO apologist. I don't approve of his methods a lot of times, but I do think he's a tough guy who wants to win as much as anyone. On this day, I don't think he was used to his full potential, and if he was upset about that because he wanted to make a difference, then I'm fine with it.
 

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Future 585;1078687 said:
in order to MAYBE get beat you MAYBE have to try to cover them first. he straight up blew his assignment, no questions asked.

Has anyone said that was Roy's assignment?
 

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AdamJT13;1078717 said:
Has anyone said that was Roy's assignment?

good point, maybe not, but it reallllly looked like it. i dont know who else should have been there unless watkins was wayyyyyy out of position on the other side of the field.
 

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Future 585;1078687 said:
in order to MAYBE get beat you MAYBE have to try to cover them first. he straight up blew his assignment, no questions asked.

He sure may have. I just don't know for sure. If he did, it's probably not the last time a DB is going to get beat on a play.

Here's what is bugging me though, a lot of people are just sure that Roy was at fault here, and they may be wrong. People were sure he was against Washington last year too, and they were wrong - although the myth became greater than fact. Why not just let Bill tell us who blew the assignment though? You have no idea what the call was and what he responsibilities were, do you?
 

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AdamJT13;1078717 said:
Has anyone said that was Roy's assignment?


Aikman said he looked like he was covering the WR but when he saw Smith run deep he should have followed him.

As for Owens on the sidelines, all I saw was a guy upset we were losing and trying to get his team up. Buck doesn't know what was said, he just assumed Owens was yelling at his teammates. Yeah he was mad he was open and Drew threw the INT, but funny when he does it, he's a distraction. When Irvin did it, he just had a huge desire to win.
 

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ddh33;1078740 said:
He sure may have. I just don't know for sure. If he did, it's probably not the last time a DB is going to get beat on a play.

Here's what is bugging me though, a lot of people are just sure that Roy was at fault here, and they may be wrong. People were sure he was against Washington last year too, and they were wrong - although the myth became greater than fact. Why not just let Bill tell us who blew the assignment though? You have no idea what the call was and what he responsibilities were, do you?

He was an easy target because they are just regurgitating what Aikman said from the booth. Even if he had intercepted the ball in the fourth (and he slipped from what I could see), the Piggles still would have kept the ball because Watkins had held.
 

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CanadianCowboysFan;1078758 said:
He was an easy target because they are just regurgitating what Aikman said from the booth. Even if he had intercepted the ball in the fourth (and he slipped from what I could see), the Piggles still would have kept the ball because Watkins had held.

Alright. That's what I thought on both counts. Of course, the blame game is so much more fun!

As of now, no one is sure who was responsible on that bust. All we know is that it shouldn't have happened. The flea flicker was a great call and a great throw.
 

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CanadianCowboysFan;1078750 said:
Aikman said he looked like he was covering the WR but when he saw Smith run deep he should have followed him.

Aikman doesn't know what the coverage was. I meant someone on the team who knows what was supposed to happen -- a player or coach.
 

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it's amazing at teh excuses Roy gets here week after week after week.

THE GUY IS A CLOWN IN COVERAGE, NO INSTINCTS FOR THE BALL, REGARDLESS OF "COVERAGE" or "RESPONSIBILITY".

most overrated cowboy i can ever remember, since danny white.

Crayton caught a 4th down pass... if we had a real NFL QB perhaps the guy (and TO) could have done more ya' know.

bledsoe must be benched to salvage any prospects of making the playoffs, nevermind winning a game there
 

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wayne_motley;1078468 said:
Disgraceful, bad play by:

1. Both safeties: At least Watkins is a rookie...how long do we keep making excuses for Roy when he blows it in coverage or misreads the ball in the air like today...unnoticed due to his major mistakes was the fact that when he was covering guys man up, they almost always had easy separation against him for first downs, but luckily let the balls from McNabb bounce off their chests.


6. Bledsoe....yes, he was under lots of pressure, but you have to move your feet a little and find a throwing lane instead of being a statue. Why he held that one and took the big sack in 4th is beyond me...still, I don't want to see Romo...no way. For those with short memories, the god, Aikman did the exact same thing...actually a tie game with the ball around the 10 and time running down...a fg wins the game, but he threw an int even deeper in the end zone that was returned for a td and a Dallas loss, snatching defeat from a sure victory...I'm sure that's why he was fairly magnanimous about the play...he had to be having horror flashbacks.



Seems to me we could be saying the same for Bledsoe apologists....who would you rather have at SS, Keith Davis???
 

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As sour as this made my weekend I'm over it although I'll be going on a media fast until Sunday because I don't want to see any highlights or hear any blowhole commentators nor excuse makers. We played horrible move on, we are still in the thick of it, beat Houston and your only a game back from the division lead, as the season progresses things will likely even out for the better. Even our SB teams dropped stinkers like the Niners game in '95 regular season or to Philly in '92 or to Philly in a similar last second goal line tragedy in '96 but Dallas bounced back to claim the division title. Philly is top gun for the moment but if Dallas takes care of business it will be a fleeting one.
 

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chinch;1078993 said:
it's amazing at teh excuses Roy gets here week after week after week.

THE GUY IS A CLOWN IN COVERAGE, NO INSTINCTS FOR THE BALL, REGARDLESS OF "COVERAGE" or "RESPONSIBILITY".

most overrated cowboy i can ever remember, since danny white.

Crayton caught a 4th down pass... if we had a real NFL QB perhaps the guy (and TO) could have done more ya' know.

bledsoe must be benched to salvage any prospects of making the playoffs, nevermind winning a game there

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wayne_motley;1078468 said:
Disgraceful, bad play by:

1. Both safeties: At least Watkins is a rookie...how long do we keep making excuses for Roy when he blows it in coverage or misreads the ball in the air like today...unnoticed due to his major mistakes was the fact that when he was covering guys man up, they almost always had easy separation against him for first downs, but luckily let the balls from McNabb bounce off their chests.

I just re-watched the game, and the only completion Roy deserves even partial blame on is the flea-flicker, and he wasn't the one in coverage, he was the help. On the two drops you're blaming him for -- on one, he bumped the receiver and stayed in the short zone. He wasn't playing man coverage. And on the other, he was 5 yards off, the receiver ran a quick slant, and Roy came up to deliver the hit. They both looked like proper coverage to me.

On the long pass to L.J. Smith, I'm pretty certain that we were running a four-across short zone, with the corners playing man-to-man and the free safety deep in the middle. (It looked like the exact same coverage we used on the first pass of the game. If you go back and watch that play, the guys in the short zone let the slot receiver run deep and stayed in their zone while the free safety picked him up.) We seemed to run a lot of underneath zone coverage, probably to help stop the screens, scrambles and dumpoffs that the Eagles usually hurt teams with.

5. Witten...not a disgrace, no, but he seems to be lost and have his head up his butt since the contract...another game, another dropped pass.

You might want to watch the game again. Witten didn't have any drops. We tried to throw six passes to him. The only two he didn't catch were the one that was about 20 feet over his head because Bledsoe's arm was hit and the last interception.
 
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