Disturbing Quote by Stephen Jones re: Ratliff

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After I read Stephen Jone's latest comments, I was a little concerned to hear him say this on the NT position not so much for the scheme we go with but WHY we go with it. Well, I'm lying, I gotta admit I am a believer of the bigger NT pushing the pocket back philosophy when you have a HOF outside pass rusher in DeMarcus Ware in order to maximize your pass rush potential. Not to mention it makes his earlier statements of having an ideal MILB crew of Lee and Carter hard to establish. Both are undersized ILB's with speed who need some cover, even though Lee has shown to be just fine in our current system seem unrealistic. Here is the quote I'm talking about,

" Ratliff might have a longer career at the 5 tech, but its hard to convince a player to move when he’s had so much success there. He likes taking advantage of those slow guards and centers. Both Ryan and Wade have said they can go with either style nosetackle, they just need to know what they have so they can scheme accordingly".

Why would they be trying to CONVINCE him to switch to the 5 tech unless it was an idea populated by the staff? So Ratliff chooses our defensive philosophy of being the one 3-4 team without a prototypical NT?

For the posters with the "RATLIFF IS NOT MOVING TO DE, GET OVER IT" need to rethink their positions. The staff has obviously wanted to tinker with the fronts but have stalled that transition until Ratliff has changed his willingness to play some DE in the 3-4 rotation. Why bring in a prototypical 3-4 NT when you know it will only make your best pass rushing lineman disgruntled for moving to a position he doesn't feel he is best suited for? IS that the reason for the lack of activity on NT front?

Of course Ratliff should play the inside in the nickel pass rush, but he shouldn't be our NT on running downs. Our staff seems to know it but I guess don't have the guts to make it ugly?

BTW, I know our RUN D was fine last year (7th I believe, not sure on that one), I'm speaking of the opponent's 3-step drops where a big NT could push a c/g into a QB's face and interrupt the timing, giving our outside rushers more time and our corners and opportunity to jump routes. Sorry for the rant...:banghead:
 
I agree. Ratliff's opinion shouldn't factor into it. If it does, we're not operating the right way.

He should have been moved two years ago.
 
Who is Stephen Jone?

Seriously though, i was put off by this as well. I appriciate Rat and what he has done for us over the years, and i can understand wanting to show him respect by letting him play the position he feels most comfortable at, but it shouldn't dictate how we play D if we feel something else would be more effective for us.
 
Stephen Jones said the team has had discussions about moving Jay Ratliff to DE on run downs and adding a classic "space eater" at NT.

And the COO said so far the chips just haven't fallen that way.

The team is obviously aware of Rat's preference to remain in the middle full-time, but that isn't why no change has taken place.

Rob Ryan is open to having either type of NT and there are obvious advantages to having a tree stump who commands double teams.

Stephen said the team is thinking about it and hopefully will get some of it from Josh Brent next season.

I'm glad the topic is on the table.

Hopefully, the team will get the chance to add a prototype NT in the near future.
 
What is so hard to understand?

At NT his biggest strength is his athletic ability...so we get a mismatch inside.

Move him to end and he loses that mismatch because he isn't DE/OLB athletic and OTs can neutralize him.

It is one of the reasons to love all the 4-3 looks we may have because Ratliff's best position would be DT in a 4-3...where he'd be a Warren Sapp/John Randle type player.
 
Would it matter if Rob Ryan has told the team he doesn't care where Ratliff lines up?
 
Risen Star;4549872 said:
I agree. Ratliff's opinion shouldn't factor into it. If it does, we're not operating the right way.

He should have been moved two years ago.

I think Rat should have an opinion. He's earned that type of respect.

I also think he would do whatever the team asked regardless of how he felt.
 
I guess what I'm saying is when Ratliff was at his prime, that scheme of 3-4 could work bc he would consistently cause havoc and misdirection on the run, and pressure on the pass. Some fans, myself included, see this lacking more and more on 1st and 2nd downs when the opponents pass. There isn't enough disruption to warrant the scheme. That is what we get. I think we also have to remember that, aside from the latest draft, Ryan has been pretty "cool" about working with what he is given. The idea of, " I could go either way", makes it sound either that he is trying to point out his openness to change, or that he will ADJUST his scheme to fit that type of NT, not necessarily his preferential.
 
Did you miss the part where he said if they would have stayed at 14 they would have taken Brockers and had him play NT?

Ratliff is never going to be moved by the coaches until they get a difference maker plugger in the middle.
 
blindzebra;4549884 said:
What is so hard to understand?

At NT his biggest strength is his athletic ability...so we get a mismatch inside.

Move him to end and he loses that mismatch because he isn't DE/OLB athletic and OTs can neutralize him.

It is one of the reasons to love all the 4-3 looks we may have because Ratliff's best position would be DT in a 4-3...where he'd be a Warren Sapp/John Randle type player.

Question to you.. how is it a mismatch? Is he really getting the kind of pressure that you think he is? Is he consistently pushing back the LOS or is he getting pushed around and knocked off the LOS backwards most of the time?
 
speedkilz88;4549904 said:
Did you miss the part where he said if they would have stayed at 14 they would have taken Brockers and had him play NT?

Ratliff is never going to be moved by the coaches until they get a difference maker plugger in the middle.

Glad they didn't do that. Brockers at NT doesn't seem like a good idea either.
 
Speedkillz, beggars can't be choosers...we don't need an ALL PRO...we need to bring people with the measurables to atleast compete for playing time at the postion. Really, we have to wait for a first round NT to alter the scheme the way our staff obviously wants to? I think Stephen said more then he meant to. This has obviously been in there plans for years but they have been obviously very choosey. We haven't even attempted to bring in NTs to fit the role aside from Brent Price. One supplemental draft pick was our "attempt"? We haven't even tried...out of respect to Ratliff? Who btw I love as a 5 tech and nickel DT.
 
RoyTheHammer;4549905 said:
Question to you.. how is it a mismatch? Is he really getting the kind of pressure that you think he is? Is he consistently pushing back the LOS or is he getting pushed around and knocked off the LOS backwards most of the time?

Typical hyperbole.

Ratliff at NT consistently holds his own the majority of the time. Gets that disruption more often than he gets credit for, and occasionally gets over powered.

At 3-4 end his greatest asset gets taken away and he likely becomes a JAG.
 
CATCH17;4549890 said:
I think Rat should have an opinion. He's earned that type of respect.

I also think he would do whatever the team asked regardless of how he felt.

Disagree. No player has earned the right to dictate coaching decisions. Or even influence coaching decisions. Players play. Coaches coach. The line between them should never be blurred.
 
Risen Star;4549923 said:
Disagree. No player has earned the right to dictate coaching decisions. Or even influence coaching decisions. Players play. Coaches coach. The line between them should never be blurred.

Would you rather have Ware or Red ?
 
SkinsandTerps;4549927 said:
Would you rather have Ware or Red ?

What does that have to do with anything?

Would I rather have a team run by it's players or coaches? That would be a more relevant question.

Emmitt Smith in his heyday had no right whatsoever to influence coaching decisions. He's a player. Nothing more.
 
blindzebra;4549920 said:
Typical hyperbole.

Ratliff at NT consistently holds his own the majority of the time. Gets that disruption more often than he gets credit for, and occasionally gets over powered.

At 3-4 end his greatest asset gets taken away and he likely becomes a JAG.

This is the part that keeps getting ignored. Sure Steven has to answer the question when its asked, but really TRat would struggle more as a 3-4 DE.

The main thing that needs to happen is for us to limit his snaps alot more, then he would be more effective deeper into the season.
 
Risen Star;4549923 said:
Disagree. No player has earned the right to dictate coaching decisions. Or even influence coaching decisions. Players play. Coaches coach. The line between them should never be blurred.

Two words for you.

Peyton Manning.
 
Blind Zebra: Peyton Manning = Jay Ratliff, what is hyperbole?
 

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