Dline question

[waldoputty]

Does anyone know?

How many teams in NFL have at least 1 DL player with 10 sacks?
Or 2 players with at least 7 sacks?

 

[CCBoy]

Does anyone know?

How many teams in NFL have at least 1 DL player with 10 sacks?
Or 2 players with at least 7 sacks?

Those are nice to talk up...but team accumulated totals are more indicative of defensive line success.

 

[waldoputty]

Those are nice to talk up...but team accumulated totals are more indicative of defensive line success.

true, but you want 1 or 2 players that demand double-teams.

 

[CCBoy]

true, but you want 1 or 2 players that demand double-teams.

Me, I want a whole set of 4 that make it pure hell for an opposing quarterback. Get that going, and players with a ten mark will pop up in several places.

 

[waldoputty]

Me, I want a whole set of 4 that make it pure hell for an opposing quarterback. Get that going, and players with a ten mark will pop up in several places.

well we all want that and more.
but we have invested heavily in the O.
so cannot afford the same investment in the D given salary cap and limited draft picks...

 

[CCBoy]

well we all want that and more.
but we have invested heavily in the O.
so cannot afford the same investment in the D given salary cap and limited draft picks...

Don't ask then, if one already has an agenda that determines credible thought of the process. One has to forge quality pressure, and what the Cowboys have done can achieve the goals in mind.

First, the team should be strong against the run, and despite Adam's numbers, that is a very good start in flipping the switch on pass rush as well. The front is going to be getting some respect at the point they are shown to be tough.

Next, one has the talent in both Lawrence and Gregory, despite valiant efforts to explain both away...they are talented and also have strong skills to bring the pressure regularly from the outside. Tough is additionally provided by the number of youthful and temper tempered attitudes in play. There will be enough aggression being rotated regularly during a game, that attention will move to those up front...even when a consistent and four man rush. That will open more responsive aspects to the defense, such as interceptions, drive stoppers, and fumbles.

Just be patient as this develops. Just like a top notched offensive line, a defensive line of like caliber needs about four seasons to really start to jell. That is the blue print for teams such as Carolina, New England, and yea, the Seahawks as well.

 

[waldoputty]

Just checked and 20 players with 9 or more sacks in 2015.
3 teams had 2 of these players - Seattle, Cin, Houston.
14 teams with 1 of these players.

So our DL is definitely in the bottom half of the league, and we lost Hardy

Lawrence benefited from double teams caused by Hardy.
So I dont get a good feeling what we can expect from him.

Gregory is a talent but is he really fit for DL or LB?
Also his suspension risks are enormous.

My best hope is the DT investments collapsing the pocket this year.
And the offense helping the D keeping fresh, despite the 5 million posts about how stats prove otherwise.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Does anyone know?

How many teams in NFL have at least 1 DL player with 10 sacks?
Or 2 players with at least 7 sacks?

Good question! Im guessing that most of the playoff teams do. Im really glad you brought to attention. It needs to be addressed

 

[nalam]

Does anyone know?

How many teams in NFL have at least 1 DL player with 10 sacks?
Or 2 players with at least 7 sacks?

Look at Seattle and Denver , kind of 2 different power defenses, I think what Marinelli trying to get is like Seattle, not too many high single sacks but a lot of pressure from various players , internal Dline pressures , which makes a lot of difference, Thornton and Maliek , healthy McClain will improve along with healthy Crawford. Now, we know J Crawford is ok , if Mayowa can show something along with Tapper we will get by , when D law and Gregory comes back it will be much improved than last year

Almost forgot D Irving

 

[waldoputty]

26 players with 8 or more sacks in 2015.
5 teams had 2 of these players - Seattle, Cin, Houston, Wash, NE.
16 teams with 1 of these players.

Dallas had 1 of these players - Lawrence.
But again we lost Hardy - the player that Marinelli said caused Lawrence to get a lot of single-teams.
Hope the DT investments can compensate for the loss of our strongest DL player.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I could start an NFL team from scratch and immediately sign 3 free agents : hardy, freeney, and jason jones and that D line would have more pass rush than ours. Obviously, id get some DTs too lol

 

[waldoputty]

Look at Seattle and Denver , kind of 2 different power defenses, I think what Marinelli trying to get is like Seattle, not too many high single sacks but a lot of pressure from various players , internal Dline pressures , which makes a lot of difference, Thornton and Maliek , healthy McClain will improve along with healthy Crawford. Now, we know J Crawford is ok , if Mayowa can show something along with Tapper we will get by , when D law and Gregory comes back it will be much improved than last year

Agreed. We are following the Seattle blue print.
We just need 1 DE to break out assuming DTs play well.
I dont think Lawrence will be as good as last year if he gets more double teams.

 

[waldoputty]

I could start an NFL team from start and immediately sign 3 free agents : hardy, freeney, and jason jones and that D line would have more pass rush than ours. Obviously, id get some DTs too lol

i think jason jones is off the market.
may be we are waiting for game 1 before signing freeney.
i doubt it.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Seattle was 17th in sacks and 16 th in hurries.

 

[waldoputty]

Seattle was 17th in sacks and 16 th in hurries.

interesting.
i did not watch a single seattle game last year.
did they looked like they dropped off in terms of D dominance?

 

[Maxmadden]

We hung 48 points against Denver in 2013. Fast forward 2 years and they have one of the best defenses. Point being, offenses seem to take 3 or 4 years to develop but you can turn a defense around in a year or two with the right talent. I think we are a couple of years away but we should see improvement this year from a young group.

 

[waldoputty]

Here my sack projections:

Crawford - 7 - a little better than 2015 with 5. Healthier but no Hardy
Thornton - 1 - just like last 3 years
Collins - 3 - assuming he gets significant playing time
Lawrence - 6 - 2 less than 2015 - No Hardy and suspension
Gregory - 4 - assuming he plays at all - and no high ankle sprain
Mayowa - 4
J Crawford - 6 - 2 better than last year assuming more playing time
Irving - 4 - much more playing time and much more production compared to 0.5 sacks last year

This would come out to 35 sacks from DL which is much better than 2015 with only 23.5.
So this may be too aggressive.

Assumptions:
In the Seattle type defense, it assumes reasonable but not aggressive performance from Gregory, Mayowa, Collins, Irving and J Crawford with more playing time.
It also assume a moderate dropoff from Lawrence but moderate improvement from Crawford now with 2 arms.
Redshirt year from Tapper.

 

[dogunwo]

I really think the replacing of Hayden with Thornton and a healthy Tyrone Crawford makes a huge difference. The DEs are going to have to prove that they can beat one on one. blocks. There is a lot of potential on this d-line, and the DE position is mad deep.

Lawrence
Gregory
Jack Crawford
Tapper
Mayowa
Irving
Russell

Russell will probably not make this team. I know, I know, they are mostly unproven; but it isn't trotting out a bunch of scrubs like we did in 2013. All of these guys give you at least reason to think they can be very good.

 

[CWR]

Me, I want a whole set of 4 that make it pure hell for an opposing quarterback. Get that going, and players with a ten mark will pop up in several places.

Yes like when the Giants caught lightning in a bottle with thier nascar package.

 

[Picksix]

interesting.
i did not watch a single seattle game last year.
did they looked like they dropped off in terms of D dominance?

I live in Seattle, so I got watched them quite a bit. They had their moments, but were also very beatable at times, especially late in some games.