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Burnett responds

Today, Kevin Burnett got wind of a $5,000 fine for the incident surrounding his taunting penalty incurred Sunday, called as the linebacker stood over Brandon Jacobs after tackling him. And while Burnett didn't absolve himself of blame, he did say that he thought the calls on such things weren't exactly even Sunday.

"I’d just say if you’re going call, call it fair," Burnett said. "You got guys jawing at the ref, and they don’t get a penalty. Call it both ways. I got my penalty, no excuse, I shouldn’t have got it. Nothing I can do there, but if I could take it back, would I? Yeah. You can’t hurt your team, you can’t put your team in a bad position and that’s what I did."

The subject was brought to Wade Phillips' attention after the press conference today and -- if anyone was drawing lines in the sand -- the coach was in his player's camp.

He pointed out that Giants CB Sam Madison was chirping at WR Terrell Owens without the refs taking action, and that the Cowboys' 56 penalties drawn is just more than the number of their opponents' combined -- 50. But he said all this the day after making the players sign a pledge to improve in that area, and his defense of the players wasn't all-encompassing.

He knows they haven't always been on the right side, and he knows some of the actions of his players were needless.

"I want their word that they’re going to try to do the right thing, that’s my feeling," Phillips said of the pledge the players made. "It may be silly. It may be whatever, but I was serious about it and I think I feel like I needed to do something they’re going to respond to. And everybody saw that it cost us points."

The coach added that there's a certain professional manner in which he'd like his players to carry themselves, and that played into the pledge as well.

And he realizes too, that the buck stops with him. The positive thing, he thinks, is that the team has found a way to overcome such misgivings.

"I was disappointed in myself and Kevin was disappointed," Phillips said. "We made mistakes and sometimes they cost us. The good thing about our team, we made mistakes and not just penalties, but we made mistakes but we’ve overcome everything. That’s part of our philosophy. Whatever the mistakes we make, we have to overcome it. You’re gonna miss assignments, we’re gonna try to cut down on all those things and that gives you a better chance.

"But if your team believes that you’re gonna overcome whatever things happen, if you get an interference call that isn’t interference or a holding call that isn’t holding, you still have to play."

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There was a lot of jawing going on in that game especially from the Giants. Something I have noticed over the years is that the refs always tend to throw a flag if one guy is standing over another guy and jawing like Burnet was doing. As if that is worse than two guys jawing while walking. It seems to be the refs cut off line. I saw Burnet jawing and knew a flag was going to be thrown before it was.

The one that ticked me off was the one on Bradie James. First the ref saw Jacobs come in and block James late and did not flag Jacobs. Then James lightly pushes Jacobs and Jacobs did his best Vlade Divac impression falling to the ground. That was weak and even in soccer they would have hit Jacobs with the penalty.
 

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No excuse letting yourself get baited by the home team. It is not fair and it sucks but that is football in the trenches.
 

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cowboyed;1771543 said:
No excuse letting yourself get baited by the home team. It is not fair and it sucks but that is football in the trenches.

he didnt get baited, hejust got flagged for soemthing the other team did the whole first half without sniffing a call

like I said last week, I really dont think he should have been flagged for what he did

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dbair1967;1771547 said:
he didnt get baited, hejust got flagged for soemthing the other team did the whole first half without sniffing a call

like I said last week, I really dont think he should have been flagged for what he did

David

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It was a bs call. The only way it is not a bs call, if they were calling it both ways.
 

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dbair1967;1771547 said:
he didnt get baited, hejust got flagged for soemthing the other team did the whole first half without sniffing a call

like I said last week, I really dont think he should have been flagged for what he did

David

Yes, he should have. The rules are specific about standing over a player and taunting him. It was completely STUPID of Burnett to do that. I don't care what the other team is doing. Two wrongs don't make a right, the cowboys need to worry about their own behavior, not the opposing team.

And obviously Wade agrees with me.
 

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Rack;1771768 said:
Yes, he should have. The rules are specific about standing over a player and taunting him. It was completely STUPID of Burnett to do that. I don't care what the other team is doing. Two wrongs don't make a right, the cowboys need to worry about their own behavior, not the opposing team.

And obviously Wade agrees with me.

I have never looked up the rules. Do they actually say that it is illegal to stand over a guy and shout at him? What do they say about following an opponent the way Madison followed Owens?
 

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dbair1967;1771547 said:
he didnt get baited, hejust got flagged for soemthing the other team did the whole first half without sniffing a call

like I said last week, I really dont think he should have been flagged for what he did

David

I'm with you on this one David. #81 got an earful the whole game and ignored it. Great composure on his part. Jacobs didn't shut his pie hole 3 days after the game........he probably had to sleep on the couch.
 

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Seven;1772067 said:
I'm with you on this one David. #81 got an earful the whole game and ignored it. Great composure on his part. Jacobs didn't shut his pie hole 3 days after the game........he probably had to sleep on the couch.
The difference is that you'll get flagged for standing over a player while he's on the ground. That's taunting. Yelling at someone when they're standing up is not.
 

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theogt;1772070 said:
The difference is that you'll get flagged for standing over a player while he's on the ground. That's taunting. Yelling at someone when they're standing up is not.

Then it would have been legal to do it if he waited for Jacobs to stand, according to your interpitation ?
 

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theogt;1772070 said:
The difference is that you'll get flagged for standing over a player while he's on the ground. That's taunting. Yelling at someone when they're standing up is not.

Yeah, I can understand that. However, it wouldn't have gotten to that point had the refs gotten a handle on the trash talk a little earlier. It'd be hard for any of us to endure that for over three hours.
 

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Jarv;1772086 said:
Then it would have been legal to do it if he waited for Jacobs to stand, according to your interpitation ?
Yes, it would have been legal.

Seven;1772099 said:
Yeah, I can understand that. However, it wouldn't have gotten to that point had the refs gotten a handle on the trash talk a little earlier. It'd be hard for any of us to endure that for over three hours.
The players should know the rules and know what they can and can't do.
 

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theogt;1772100 said:
The players should know the rules and know what they can and can't do.

Tell that to the Giants. They knew what they were doing and your damn sure the refs know that game too. They should've capped it much sooner that's part of their job. I believe they saw Burnett as a way to get a handle on what they let get out of control. You see players giving the evil eye, standing over someone they just trucked, all the time. That not taunting or must you actually speak?
 

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Seven;1772109 said:
Tell that to the Giants. They knew what they were doing and your damn sure the refs know that game too. They should've capped it much sooner that's part of their job. I believe they saw Burnett as a way to get a handle on what they let get out of control. You see players giving the evil eye, standing over someone they just trucked, all the time. That not taunting or must you actually speak?
What the Giants were doing was legal.
 

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Seven;1772109 said:
They should've capped it much sooner that's part of their job.

theogt;1772111 said:
What the Giants were doing was legal.


I'll stick with my original post.....................
 

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jay cee;1771808 said:
I have never looked up the rules. Do they actually say that it is illegal to stand over a guy and shout at him? What do they say about following an opponent the way Madison followed Owens?

Yes, it does state that.

But what the Giants did or didn't do is irrelevant. You don't go taunting just cuz the other team is doing it and not getting called for it. That doesn't make it ok. Do I think Madison should of been flagged for taunting on the Crayton TD? Yes. But that doesn't mean it's ok for Burnett to taunt Jacobs just cuz Madison got away with it.
 

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Rack;1772209 said:
Yes, it does state that.

But what the Giants did or didn't do is irrelevant. You don't go taunting just cuz the other team is doing it and not getting called for it. That doesn't make it ok. Do I think Madison should of been flagged for taunting on the Crayton TD? Yes. But that doesn't mean it's ok for Burnett to taunt Jacobs just cuz Madison got away with it.

Thanks, I'll look up the exact wording on the rules. I was not saying that the Cowboys should taunt just because the Giants were doing it. But it looks like all Burnett had to do was wait until the guy stood up and then it would not have been taunting.
 

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theogt;1772070 said:
The difference is that you'll get flagged for standing over a player while he's on the ground. That's taunting. Yelling at someone when they're standing up is not.

"taunting" is a judgement call...and you dont have to be standing over a guy to get a taunting penalty

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dbair1967;1782717 said:
"taunting" is a judgement call...and you dont have to be standing over a guy to get a taunting penalty

David
Standing over a player on the ground and pointing or taunting is, by rule, taunting.

Yelling at a player as you're walking by him is not unless it rises to the level of "flagrant acts or remarks that deride, mock, bait or embarrass an opponent."
 
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