DMN Blog: Jay Ratliff's OK with being a bargain... for now

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BraveHeartFan;2665491 said:
No, there aren't, but that's not the point. The NFL, and playing football, is their job. This is the system that is in place for people in that profession. To assume that someone then has to simply play out their entire contract, before getting paid more, while the owners can cut them at any time they feel like is weird to me.

The owners are not obligated to pay them for the life the contract, at the rate they signed them to, and so the players shouldn't be held so some different standard where they've got to work out the entire contract.
But we're still taking about employers and employees, aren't we? In the real world, the vast majority of working people are hired on an "as is" basis. If an employer can claim that an employee can be terminated for legitimate reasons, the employee is usually let go.

In this case, the only question existing behind the temination of an NFL player is the WHY behind the action. For instance, tens of thousands of regular working class people have been terminated from their jobs due to the economy. Because of salary cap restrictions, some players have been released from their contracts. Certainly, the players were not able to play until the end of their signed contracts, but how does that differentiate players from many working class citizens who aren't even employed via a contract?
 

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BraveHeartFan;2665505 said:
That's fine. I get what he's saying. I just think it's silly and naive to believe that someone is going to continue to take the pay they signed for 2 or 3 years ago (This is obviously not the case with Ratliff who just signed his just over a year ago) when they've played above and beyond what they were signed for.

Owners and managers in regular jobs have the right to terminate your employement at any time as well but that doesn't stop people from asking for, and rightfully so, raises.
"Silly & Naive?"

Great. I've got regular working class folk work to get back to.
 

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DallasEast;2665526 said:
But we're still taking about employers and employees, aren't we? In the real world, the vast majority of working people are hired on an "as is" basis. If an employer can claim that an employee can be terminated for legitimate reasons, the employee is usually let go.

In this case, the only question existing behind the temination of an NFL player is the WHY behind the action. For instance, tens of thousands of regular working class people have been terminated from their jobs due to the economy. Because of salary cap restrictions, some players have been released from their contracts. Certainly, the players were not able to play until the end of their signed contracts, but how does that differentiate players from many working class citizens who aren't even employed via a contract?


*nods* I hear you, I get what you're saying, and I understand the stance. My point is, even in this economy people are getting raises. Heck I'm in a drafting and surveying business and we're slower than normal, quite a bit slower, but that wouldn't prevent me from asking for a raise if I felt it was owed.

That doesn't mean I would actually get one, of course, but there is nothing to prevent me from asking for one.

That's my point when people say a player should just work out his deal. Maybe he should, I guess, but I don't think it's fair to believe that if a player exceeds expectations that he should just keep his mouth shut and not seek more pay that fits his level of play.

Again he isn't necassarily going to get the more pay he's seeking, there is nothing that says the owner has to give him more money, but I see nothing wrong with players seeking the money when they've performed above the level of which their contract is paying them for.
 

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big dog cowboy;2665334 said:
Rat is a perfect example of why 7th round picks should not always be taken lightly.

If he makes the Pro Bowl again he should get his deal redone.

BS, people in this country are hurting and these professional athletes need to shut up and honor their contracts. I am not forking out a dime this season for tickets. I have a decent job but on principal I have a problem paying Billionaires money in mostly tax payer funded stadiums so that they can pay millionaires money to play a game.

Then to hear some of them complain about a very generous contract makes me want to puke while people are just struggling to stay in their homes or to pay for health care.
 

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speedkilz88;2665458 said:
An extension as some point would make sense, but probably in another year or two.

my thoughts exactly...lets see if he can make it 3 Pro Bowl selections, leaving him with 2 years left on his deal when the deal starts to get hefty against the cap, re-work it for a 3-5 year extension for big bucks.

Gives you the opportunity to move him in a trade and unload cap space if something happens later down the line (younger player with huge potential, a la Spencer vs. Ellis) or something of that nature.
 

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mmillman;2665551 said:
BS, people in this country are hurting and these professional athletes need to shut up and honor their contracts. I am not forking out a dime this season for tickets. I have a decent job but on principal I have a problem paying Billionaires money in mostly tax payer funded stadiums so that they can pay millionaires money to play a game.

Then to hear some of them complain about a very generous contract makes me want to puke while people are just struggling to stay in their homes or to pay for health care.

dude.....politics + sports = :nono:
 

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The player can always just sign a 1 year contract or a shorter contract if they want
 

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mmillman;2665551 said:
BS, people in this country are hurting and these professional athletes need to shut up and honor their contracts. I am not forking out a dime this season for tickets. I have a decent job but on principal I have a problem paying Billionaires money in mostly tax payer funded stadiums so that they can pay millionaires money to play a game.

Then to hear some of them complain about a very generous contract makes me want to puke while people are just struggling to stay in their homes or to pay for health care.

Bitter much?

That game, to us, is their job. They get paid market value for what they do for a living.
 

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Canty's deal is just one of the most ridiculous contracts ever written, second to Hayneswroths deal. Paying interior lineman DE money is just absurd. Don't get me wrong, Haynesworth is a force but for a defense that was ranked 4th to pay that kind of money to him is ludicrous.

I don't even know how you negotiate in good faith with the likes of Ware after that deal by Hayneswroth. Same with James Harrison for PItt.

On the play out your contract front:

What is wrong with you people, it is a contract with no guarantees on the one side and an obligation to completly fullfil on the other side. That IS the way they are written. What is it that you people don't get about that. The owner that just gave that huge signing bonus has no guarantee that the player will not go blow out his knee the next day in a non football injury and be stuck with that bonus. The player has a great deal of security in that contract - don't make it like he does not and has all the downside.

He is set!
 

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aikemirv;2665623 said:
Canty's deal is just one of the most ridiculous contracts ever written, second to Hayneswroths deal. Paying interior lineman DE money is just absurd. Don't get me wrong, Haynesworth is a force but for a defense that was ranked 4th to pay that kind of money to him is ludicrous.

I don't even know how you negotiate in good faith with the likes of Ware after that deal by Hayneswroth. Same with James Harrison for PItt.

On the play out your contract front:

What is wrong with you people, it is a contract with no guarantees on the one side and an obligation to completly fullfil on the other side. That IS the way they are written. What is it that you people don't get about that. The owner that just gave that huge signing bonus has no guarantee that the player will not go blow out his knee the next day in a non football injury and be stuck with that bonus. The player has a great deal of security in that contract - don't make it like he does not and has all the downside.

He is set!
The Haynesworth deal is really 4yrs 48 million. The fifth year is 29 million alone according to reports so he will be cut or they will renegotiate at that point. As long as Ware's agent acknowledges that the real numbers is the 12 million per season then things should be worked out.
 

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That 8 mill bonus is for one, keeping him quiet. The deal was pretty much designed to give him 2 year at 10 mill then go from there. He's likely got a bigger payday coming if he hits the probowl again next year.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;2665380 said:
I'd give him a reworked contract if he indeed out performs it over the next few seasons.

You have to get through the majority of the contract if you want it to be redone. Only time I think it's right to redo it otherwise is when the guy is playing on a 2nd rounder and down rookie contract and the 2 years prior the guy has been top 5 at his position and makes the pro bowl. Otherwise you need to play at least half of it off.
 
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